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Should the "Other encounters with police" sub-section be changed from this to this ie. everything but convictions removed.
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23:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)@ Green Cardamom: you have claimed several times that Zimmerman is "well known". This may be true, but it does not make him a WP:PUBLICFIGURE. By linking WP:WELLKNOWN without complying with the text of the policy, you give the impression that you are familiar with the linkbox text but not the policy itself. VQuakr ( talk) 19:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
@ VQuakr: Yes, policies need to be followed and yes arguments cannot simply be settled by a poll. Having said that however, you should not confuse your interpretation of the a policy with the policy itself. The same goes for weighing all the (potentially conflicting) policies involved here. A poll not being an ultimate decision tool on its own can nevertheless be used to get better overview of the positions and assessments of a larger group of editors and their interpretation of the policies. Moreover your last edits were close to edit warring, so I suggest that you refrain from editing the article for now and wait for the results of the RFC.-- Kmhkmh ( talk) 21:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
@ VQuakr: Given that Zimmerman was satirized in the South Park episode " World War Zimmerman", I think Zimmerman easily qualifies as a public figure. Bpabbott ( talk) 01:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
@ VQuakr: Per Deadbeef and the definite oppose consensus above, this does not constitute a BLP issue. Bear in mind that any further reverts are likely not to be considered protected from 3RR under BLP. -- RAN1 ( talk) 01:11, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
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that revert somehow strange since until recent development it was part of the police encounters section (for 8 month?). I don't have strong feelings tho and let others blow the chime to decide.
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Might as well file the rest under "encounter with his estranged wife/girlfriend/etc.
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Does Zimmerman describe himself as Hispanic American? GingerBreadHarlot ( talk) 20:02, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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Last paragraph says: "In August 2016, Zimmerman began selling..."
It should say: "In August 2015, Zimmerman began selling..." Ipalladino ( talk) 19:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
A while back, a user protested the potential deleting of his offenses, reasoning that it was insightful of his personality. That's the only argument I could make for including his comments on the Alison Parker and Adam Ward deaths, critiquing the president as well, but I don't know where it could be placed. What does everyone else think? - Informant16 28 August 2015
This should be removed: "Hallinan is known for announcing that Muslims were not welcome at his store which was "Muslim free"." It is not relevant to Zimmerman's article, and lends WP:UNDUE for negative views of Zimmerman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.40.75 ( talk) 09:17, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
We have a couple of images of him, but we're not using any. How come? Informant16 25 September 2015
[1]. Do we want to include this? Zimmerman is getting attention for it. -- Green C 17:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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The very beginning of the article starts by saying "George Michael Zimmerman (born October 5, 1983) is a United States citizen". I can't think of any other article anywhere on Wikipedia that starts with a statement about citizenship, and I don't see any reason to question or remark about Zimmerman's citizenship. He was born and raised and seems to have lived his whole life in the United States, so it seems pretty obvious that he would be a citizen, but I see no reason to make that the first thing we say about him. Lots of articles start by saying that someone is American or British or something of that sort, but I've never seen citizenship mentioned directly at the opening, and I can't think of any reason why Zimmerman's citizenship is particularly important. — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:24, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
The link for Twin Lakes takes readers to the page for a suburb of Ft. Lauderdale Florida. Instead, it should direct here: /info/en/?search=The_Retreat_at_Twin_Lakes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrwclymer ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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It is disturbing that this article compared to the article about Trayvon Martin, including the shooting of Trayvon Martin is biased in such a way that it makes George Zimmerman appear to be the victim in this case. Zimmerman's life story is written to emphasize that he is "not racist", yet in the Trayvon Martin article, more words are dedicated to portray this child as racist. These three articles need to be evaluated for objectivity which all clearly lack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.212.5 ( talk) 03:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Baloney. The Wiki articles are objective, particularly when compared to a lot of the USA major media. Please list the particular sentences you feel are not objective. 100.38.79.246 ( talk) 16:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)BG
For instance, from the George Zimmerman article:
"According to Donnelly, in 2004 Zimmerman and an African American friend opened a satellite office of Allstate Insurance, which failed a year later."
In early 2011, Zimmerman participated in a citizen forum at the Sanford City Hall to protest the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white Sanford police officer. During the meeting, Zimmerman claimed he witnessed "disgusting behavior" while participating in a ride-along program with local police; however the police department said it did not know when, if ever, Zimmerman was in that program.[12][13]"
There is no reason to include either of these, beyond suggesting that Zimmerman is not racist.
There is also that there was no Neighborhood Watch in the neighborhood.
From the Shooting of Trayvon Martin article:
"From January 1, 2011 through February 26, 2012, police were called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times.[32] Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death had included eight burglaries, nine thefts, and one shooting.[45] Twin Lakes residents said there were dozens of reports of attempted break-ins, which had created an atmosphere of fear in their neighborhood.[3]
In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[6][46]
Zimmerman had made nearly 50 calls to police between 2004 and 2012 to report various local disturbances, such as loud parties, open garage doors, potholes, and children playing in the street.[32][45][47] Following break-ins in the neighborhood in 2011, Zimmerman's calls to police increasingly focused on reporting people he suspected of criminal activity.[19][45]
During the months leading up to the February 26, 2012 shooting, Zimmerman called the police several times to report people he believed to be suspicious. On each of the calls, Zimmerman only offered information about their race when specifically asked by the dispatcher to do so, reporting that the people were black males.[48][49][50][Note 2]"
Notice there is no indication of any calls from other Neighborhood Watch members. Wendy Dorival said there was a meeting in Fall of 2011. Nothing after that.
Besides which, how are any of the other calls or crimes relevant to Martin's shooting? It is attempt to suggest that Zimmerman had good reason to think Martin might commit a crime.
The fact however is that as a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, you *watch*. You do not get out of your vehicle with a gun to chase someone.
Alienkind ( talk) 01:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry that I WILL make a mistake here, this is my first attempt at contributing to a talk page. Kindly teach me instead of getting angry if I make a mistake, I can learn.
When speaking of Zimmerman's ancestry, reference is made to each of his parents. The only remark regarding his mother is: "Gladys Zimmerman was born in Peru and has some black ancestry, through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather".
This statement is defensive to an argument not made, which causes bias to the reader.
Why mention that Zimmerman has "in some small part 'black' ancestry", without mentioning the remainder of his ancestry, which is actually the bulk of his ancestry through his mother? From a neutral point of view, I feel that this statement is loaded, though I'm not sure exactly "standard" of Wikipedia has been broken. Conor ( talk) 03:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps we should include an "In the Media" section that outlines the public accusations and offered defenses, to provide a more neutral view? "Accusations have been made ... that ... racism ... " (cite sources, a poll, etc). "Supporters have referenced ... " (many quotes from the previous user's accusation of bias)
Perhaps we might solve some of the overall biases of this article and satisfy both "emotional" sides. Conor ( talk) 03:25, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I cannot add this to the page because I have not made any edits in a while.
Here is the code:
Please advise.
Peter Duke ( talk) 10:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Peter, my first impression was you copied the image off the web. See the profile picture at George Zimmerman's Twitter site. [1] However the photo at Twitter is a lower quality then this one, and this one includes the camera metadata, so it's not a web copy. Also you are a professional photographer as Google search shows. [2] I think you, and the photo, are probably legit. I will go ahead and add it, but don't be surprised if someone tries to delete it from Commons, who didn't do the research I have and simply assumed it was a web copy. Also you have little history of uploading to Commons. To protect the image from possible deletion the procedure is to submit a OTRS ticket so that you can be verified as the real Peter Duke, and not a fake Peter Duke. Professional quality pictures like this of famous people usually come under tighter scrutiny as copyright violations in particular when versions are visible elsewhere on the web. -- Green C 17:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
BigDuke6 are you asserting that you personally took that photograph? Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
As Zimmerman is known for his legal issues and arrests, the photo should be his Seminole Co. booking photo, not from Glamor Shots. There are, of course, several from which to choose -- http://www.name-list.net/img/images.php/Zimmerman_5.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.252.156.11 ( talk) 19:18, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay (I just saw this message). Yes, I own the photo, I took the photo and am making it available to Wikipedia. I included it because it is a recent and therefore up-to-date photo. I'm not sure what the problem is or why it is so difficult to believe that fact (confirmation bias, I assume). I willingly put the image into the public domain so that it may be used here. Peter Duke ( talk) 08:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Regarding this edit. This is a serious criminal allegation that likely runs afoul of WP:BLP particularly WP:BLPCRIME because charges were never filed. It amounts to one person's allegation with no investigation or anything. Anyone can (and often do) make claims against a famous person. It's also an old story, from a single source. Before we add this I'd like to hear from other editors what they think. -- Green C 14:22, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Pretty stale 12 Oct 2012 USA Today article. She was his cousin. She resented the fact that her father doted on George Zimmerman as the son he wished he had had. Then she made her revelations and her family shunned Zimmerman after that. I believe Witness 9 spoke with state investigators on the homicide trial and with FBI on the hate crimes investigation. Witness 9 claimed Zimmerman's family was racist but did not put any quotes in G.Z.'s mouth. FBI interviews of G.Z.'s estranged girlfriend contradicted Witness 9 on race: his mom did not approve of her race, G.Z. defended her against his mom, he got along with whites hispanics and blacks and never said anything disparaging about any race to her. The FBI hate crimes investigation of G.Z. ended with no charges. It's a four year old newspaper article and the follow-up did not bolster her accusations. -- Naaman Brown ( talk) 14:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
After Apperson's sentencing his attorney LeFay told the press “I find it to be disturbing that no matter what Mr. Zimmerman does, and no matter what violent things he does, he always seems to end up wearing the victim’s mantle.” Is this acceptable legal conduct? I think LeFay should be sanctioned. 207.237.87.163 ( talk) 21:27, 17 October 2016 (UTC)BG
The Apperson section contains 467 words (roughly) compared to the Zimmerman background section which contains 500 words. I believe the article is over-weighted (WP:WEIGHT) on Apperson. The Apperson story has reached its conclusion presumably. I'm going to make an attempt at removing some material, re-arranging a little and summarizing. -- Green C 14:48, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Zimmerman was victimized by Apperson and for this Apperson was convicted and sentenced to 15 years in jail. The title of the section on the Apperson attack should clearly state this. Instead, someone wrote "altercation" with Apperson. Look, this is wrong. This is like saying the people at the 9/11 towers "wrangled" or "disputed" or "altercated" with the terrorists. No: they were attacked by the terrorists. XavierItzm ( talk) 22:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
XavierItzm, I don't think you'll get consensus for "Attacked" it's too dramatic and non-specific. The term is often used to give a sense of unfairness and it implies a call for justice by an aggrieved party, like "unfairly attacked" or "9/11 attacks". The argument that it's a neutral description ignores this aspect, and there are other more neutral and more specific terms. Really though I agree with Bus stop that simply "Matthew Apperson" is a good solution. Section headers are just short place holders and not fully descriptive of the section contents. -- Green C 15:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I believe this article should be examined for the possibility of a lack of objectivity and neutrality. Although it is not necessarily negligent, I suppose, to leave out Trayvon Martin's right to stand his ground against George Zimmerman and all other opposing opinions, the fact that George Zimmerman was advised by a 9-1-1 operator against following or pursuing Trayvon Martin, this is not mentioned in this article. There also does not appear to be a neutral position (by means of including opposing opinions) on George Zimmerman's opinion of Obama. I do not see why Zimmerman's opinion on Obama on an act that objectively should be investigated as a hate crime (note: I did not say be found guilty of a hate crime)is mentioned here without opposing opinion. Otherwise, I would leave it out. It sounds to me like a blog or like Zimmerman wrote the first sections of the article. The whole article should be examined as it appears to take Zimmerman's side rather that no side, which is what is expected of Wikipedia. Daviddaniel37 ( talk) 02:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
The word justice is misspelled, someone please fix this, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.179.108 ( talk) 04:03, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
[[ 07:00, 10 August 2017 (UTC)tishtoshtu Zimmerman was 28 years old in March, 2012, the year of the Trayvon Martin shooting. He could not have served 22 years in the military, and afterwards served as magistrate in Florida, then retired in 2002. He would not have been born yet when he joined the military. This timeline is all screwy. Someone please find out the facts of the length of his military service, what kind it was, and preferably where he served. Then please correct the misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tishtoshtu ( talk • contribs) 07:02, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Iscoak. I reverted your removal of the US flag, which was done back in May 2017. May you please explain why you removed it? Thanks. -- George Ho ( talk) 05:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
... in the news this week ... I'm not sure if this merits a mention ... https://theblast.com/george-zimmerman-threatens-jay-z-violence-trayvon-martin-documentary/ the eloquent peasant ( talk) 10:38, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "In Popular Culture" or something? Isn't everything on Wikipedia media perception (VnT)? Topkecleon ( talk) 23:40, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
His mother is "a fierce, devoutly Catholic first-generation immigrant from Peru" [4]. Neighbors tended to define the family based on their spiritual profile. “Very Catholic . . . very religious,” their neighbor Jim Rudzenski recalled. Zimmerman "was once a Catholic altar boy". George became an altar server and evening receptionist at All Saints Catholic Church. The Zimmermans “were known and respected in the community for their dedication and service,” said Robert Cilinski, pastor of All Saints Catholic Church. [5] During the murder trial, Zimmerman quoted Catholic beliefs as part of his defense, [6] meaning he still associated himself with Catholicism during the period of his notability. This is all sufficient for inclusion of the Catholic category. Removal of those categories would need to be justified in light of this evidence (and lots more Google shows). -- Green C 18:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define[1] the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc. For example, here: "Caravaggio, an Italian artist of the Baroque movement ...", Italian, artist, and Baroque may all be considered to be defining characteristics of the subject Caravaggio.- Yes Zimmerman is Catholic, but it is not a defining characteristic of him. Typically religious cats are not applied unless the the person is in a religious profession, or unless it is a major part of the public persona and reputation. I think using these sources and mentioning his religion is find in the article, but I don't think categorization is appropriate. ResultingConstant ( talk) 02:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
I reverted this edit as it is unsourced. Do not add again until there is clear sourcing for every statement. Also, lead sections do not mention things like this unless the person is notable for it, and the persona commonly self-identifies as such. -- Green C 02:08, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
"George Michael Zimmerman (born October 5, 1983) is an American known for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida on February 26, 2012. On July 13, 2013, he was acquitted of all charges in Florida v. George Zimmerman. As of 2015, he remained the subject of media interest due to ongoing controversy over the Trayvon Martin case. In addition, he has been involved in other violent incidents, with allegations of violence made against him; however, he was not convicted."
Mentions being acquitted of all charges but never mentions what the charges were. "has been involved in other violent incidents" implies that he acted violently but there is no direct evidence of this. There were accusations but they were recanted and the charges dropped. "As of 2015" is also dumb. We're in 2019 now. Whole thing should be re-written.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Emeraldflames ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 30 March 2019 (UTC) Emeraldflames ( talk) 02:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
This is just breaking, but the Miami Herald is reporting as well as other news outlets that he's suing for 100 mill.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article238030539.html-- KimYunmi ( talk) 18:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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The word "acquittal" is misspelled in the first paragraph of the article. GeorgiNT ( talk) 15:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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In Roddy Richh's "The Box," He said "I done put a hunnid bands on Zimmerman shit" for the popular cultures section AyeItzRaptor ( talk) 01:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
The tabloid newspaper Todays Five posted a story making the rounds on the Internet about Zimmerman being arrested for DUI. This is a fake story. Associated Press wrote a debunking article: https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9011871065 -- Green C 03:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
This wording very strongly implies that Zimmerman was targeted by someone who was upset about his acquittal, but the more detailed description in the article body does not imply this. I am inclined to simply remove the reference to the 2014 incident from the lead, as it is not why Zimmerman is notable and would be very difficult to word in an unbiased way so as not to imply it was related to the incident for which he is notable. Thoughts? Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 04:54, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Apperson confronted Zimmerman over the Martin shooting, Zimmerman left in his vehicle, Apperson pursued him and shot into his vehicle. There are reliable sources on the incident and trial that Matthew Apperson was obsessed with Zimmerman over the Martin shooting. Any details exculpatory to Zimmerman or incriminatory to his assailants or accusers gets purged from the articles. Check versions preserved in the history. -- Naaman Brown ( talk) 14:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
In the section "Lawsuits", the hundred million dollar lawsuit against the Martin family and 265 million dollar lawsuit against Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren were mentioned, but with no mention that both lawsuits were dismissed. I looked up this information and confirmed the lawsuits were dismissed. I feel that should be mentioned in the section. 2600:1012:B06D:32A7:D49A:EC75:FBD:CE60 ( talk) 23:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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Should the "Other encounters with police" sub-section be changed from this to this ie. everything but convictions removed.
Please sign Support or Oppose below.
Note: previous discussion in section above. Notifying participants: @ Kmhkmh:,@ VQuakr:,@ Bpabbott:,@ The Four Deuces:,@ Gaijin42:,@ RAN1:,@ Deadbeef: -- Green C 19:13, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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23:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)@ Green Cardamom: you have claimed several times that Zimmerman is "well known". This may be true, but it does not make him a WP:PUBLICFIGURE. By linking WP:WELLKNOWN without complying with the text of the policy, you give the impression that you are familiar with the linkbox text but not the policy itself. VQuakr ( talk) 19:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
@ VQuakr: Yes, policies need to be followed and yes arguments cannot simply be settled by a poll. Having said that however, you should not confuse your interpretation of the a policy with the policy itself. The same goes for weighing all the (potentially conflicting) policies involved here. A poll not being an ultimate decision tool on its own can nevertheless be used to get better overview of the positions and assessments of a larger group of editors and their interpretation of the policies. Moreover your last edits were close to edit warring, so I suggest that you refrain from editing the article for now and wait for the results of the RFC.-- Kmhkmh ( talk) 21:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
@ VQuakr: Given that Zimmerman was satirized in the South Park episode " World War Zimmerman", I think Zimmerman easily qualifies as a public figure. Bpabbott ( talk) 01:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
@ VQuakr: Per Deadbeef and the definite oppose consensus above, this does not constitute a BLP issue. Bear in mind that any further reverts are likely not to be considered protected from 3RR under BLP. -- RAN1 ( talk) 01:11, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
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that revert somehow strange since until recent development it was part of the police encounters section (for 8 month?). I don't have strong feelings tho and let others blow the chime to decide.
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Might as well file the rest under "encounter with his estranged wife/girlfriend/etc.
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Does Zimmerman describe himself as Hispanic American? GingerBreadHarlot ( talk) 20:02, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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It should say: "In August 2015, Zimmerman began selling..." Ipalladino ( talk) 19:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
A while back, a user protested the potential deleting of his offenses, reasoning that it was insightful of his personality. That's the only argument I could make for including his comments on the Alison Parker and Adam Ward deaths, critiquing the president as well, but I don't know where it could be placed. What does everyone else think? - Informant16 28 August 2015
This should be removed: "Hallinan is known for announcing that Muslims were not welcome at his store which was "Muslim free"." It is not relevant to Zimmerman's article, and lends WP:UNDUE for negative views of Zimmerman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.155.40.75 ( talk) 09:17, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
We have a couple of images of him, but we're not using any. How come? Informant16 25 September 2015
[1]. Do we want to include this? Zimmerman is getting attention for it. -- Green C 17:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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The very beginning of the article starts by saying "George Michael Zimmerman (born October 5, 1983) is a United States citizen". I can't think of any other article anywhere on Wikipedia that starts with a statement about citizenship, and I don't see any reason to question or remark about Zimmerman's citizenship. He was born and raised and seems to have lived his whole life in the United States, so it seems pretty obvious that he would be a citizen, but I see no reason to make that the first thing we say about him. Lots of articles start by saying that someone is American or British or something of that sort, but I've never seen citizenship mentioned directly at the opening, and I can't think of any reason why Zimmerman's citizenship is particularly important. — BarrelProof ( talk) 19:24, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
The link for Twin Lakes takes readers to the page for a suburb of Ft. Lauderdale Florida. Instead, it should direct here: /info/en/?search=The_Retreat_at_Twin_Lakes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrwclymer ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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It is disturbing that this article compared to the article about Trayvon Martin, including the shooting of Trayvon Martin is biased in such a way that it makes George Zimmerman appear to be the victim in this case. Zimmerman's life story is written to emphasize that he is "not racist", yet in the Trayvon Martin article, more words are dedicated to portray this child as racist. These three articles need to be evaluated for objectivity which all clearly lack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.212.5 ( talk) 03:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Baloney. The Wiki articles are objective, particularly when compared to a lot of the USA major media. Please list the particular sentences you feel are not objective. 100.38.79.246 ( talk) 16:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)BG
For instance, from the George Zimmerman article:
"According to Donnelly, in 2004 Zimmerman and an African American friend opened a satellite office of Allstate Insurance, which failed a year later."
In early 2011, Zimmerman participated in a citizen forum at the Sanford City Hall to protest the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white Sanford police officer. During the meeting, Zimmerman claimed he witnessed "disgusting behavior" while participating in a ride-along program with local police; however the police department said it did not know when, if ever, Zimmerman was in that program.[12][13]"
There is no reason to include either of these, beyond suggesting that Zimmerman is not racist.
There is also that there was no Neighborhood Watch in the neighborhood.
From the Shooting of Trayvon Martin article:
"From January 1, 2011 through February 26, 2012, police were called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times.[32] Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death had included eight burglaries, nine thefts, and one shooting.[45] Twin Lakes residents said there were dozens of reports of attempted break-ins, which had created an atmosphere of fear in their neighborhood.[3]
In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[6][46]
Zimmerman had made nearly 50 calls to police between 2004 and 2012 to report various local disturbances, such as loud parties, open garage doors, potholes, and children playing in the street.[32][45][47] Following break-ins in the neighborhood in 2011, Zimmerman's calls to police increasingly focused on reporting people he suspected of criminal activity.[19][45]
During the months leading up to the February 26, 2012 shooting, Zimmerman called the police several times to report people he believed to be suspicious. On each of the calls, Zimmerman only offered information about their race when specifically asked by the dispatcher to do so, reporting that the people were black males.[48][49][50][Note 2]"
Notice there is no indication of any calls from other Neighborhood Watch members. Wendy Dorival said there was a meeting in Fall of 2011. Nothing after that.
Besides which, how are any of the other calls or crimes relevant to Martin's shooting? It is attempt to suggest that Zimmerman had good reason to think Martin might commit a crime.
The fact however is that as a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, you *watch*. You do not get out of your vehicle with a gun to chase someone.
Alienkind ( talk) 01:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry that I WILL make a mistake here, this is my first attempt at contributing to a talk page. Kindly teach me instead of getting angry if I make a mistake, I can learn.
When speaking of Zimmerman's ancestry, reference is made to each of his parents. The only remark regarding his mother is: "Gladys Zimmerman was born in Peru and has some black ancestry, through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather".
This statement is defensive to an argument not made, which causes bias to the reader.
Why mention that Zimmerman has "in some small part 'black' ancestry", without mentioning the remainder of his ancestry, which is actually the bulk of his ancestry through his mother? From a neutral point of view, I feel that this statement is loaded, though I'm not sure exactly "standard" of Wikipedia has been broken. Conor ( talk) 03:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps we should include an "In the Media" section that outlines the public accusations and offered defenses, to provide a more neutral view? "Accusations have been made ... that ... racism ... " (cite sources, a poll, etc). "Supporters have referenced ... " (many quotes from the previous user's accusation of bias)
Perhaps we might solve some of the overall biases of this article and satisfy both "emotional" sides. Conor ( talk) 03:25, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I cannot add this to the page because I have not made any edits in a while.
Here is the code:
Please advise.
Peter Duke ( talk) 10:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Peter, my first impression was you copied the image off the web. See the profile picture at George Zimmerman's Twitter site. [1] However the photo at Twitter is a lower quality then this one, and this one includes the camera metadata, so it's not a web copy. Also you are a professional photographer as Google search shows. [2] I think you, and the photo, are probably legit. I will go ahead and add it, but don't be surprised if someone tries to delete it from Commons, who didn't do the research I have and simply assumed it was a web copy. Also you have little history of uploading to Commons. To protect the image from possible deletion the procedure is to submit a OTRS ticket so that you can be verified as the real Peter Duke, and not a fake Peter Duke. Professional quality pictures like this of famous people usually come under tighter scrutiny as copyright violations in particular when versions are visible elsewhere on the web. -- Green C 17:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
BigDuke6 are you asserting that you personally took that photograph? Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
As Zimmerman is known for his legal issues and arrests, the photo should be his Seminole Co. booking photo, not from Glamor Shots. There are, of course, several from which to choose -- http://www.name-list.net/img/images.php/Zimmerman_5.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.252.156.11 ( talk) 19:18, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay (I just saw this message). Yes, I own the photo, I took the photo and am making it available to Wikipedia. I included it because it is a recent and therefore up-to-date photo. I'm not sure what the problem is or why it is so difficult to believe that fact (confirmation bias, I assume). I willingly put the image into the public domain so that it may be used here. Peter Duke ( talk) 08:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Regarding this edit. This is a serious criminal allegation that likely runs afoul of WP:BLP particularly WP:BLPCRIME because charges were never filed. It amounts to one person's allegation with no investigation or anything. Anyone can (and often do) make claims against a famous person. It's also an old story, from a single source. Before we add this I'd like to hear from other editors what they think. -- Green C 14:22, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Pretty stale 12 Oct 2012 USA Today article. She was his cousin. She resented the fact that her father doted on George Zimmerman as the son he wished he had had. Then she made her revelations and her family shunned Zimmerman after that. I believe Witness 9 spoke with state investigators on the homicide trial and with FBI on the hate crimes investigation. Witness 9 claimed Zimmerman's family was racist but did not put any quotes in G.Z.'s mouth. FBI interviews of G.Z.'s estranged girlfriend contradicted Witness 9 on race: his mom did not approve of her race, G.Z. defended her against his mom, he got along with whites hispanics and blacks and never said anything disparaging about any race to her. The FBI hate crimes investigation of G.Z. ended with no charges. It's a four year old newspaper article and the follow-up did not bolster her accusations. -- Naaman Brown ( talk) 14:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
After Apperson's sentencing his attorney LeFay told the press “I find it to be disturbing that no matter what Mr. Zimmerman does, and no matter what violent things he does, he always seems to end up wearing the victim’s mantle.” Is this acceptable legal conduct? I think LeFay should be sanctioned. 207.237.87.163 ( talk) 21:27, 17 October 2016 (UTC)BG
The Apperson section contains 467 words (roughly) compared to the Zimmerman background section which contains 500 words. I believe the article is over-weighted (WP:WEIGHT) on Apperson. The Apperson story has reached its conclusion presumably. I'm going to make an attempt at removing some material, re-arranging a little and summarizing. -- Green C 14:48, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Zimmerman was victimized by Apperson and for this Apperson was convicted and sentenced to 15 years in jail. The title of the section on the Apperson attack should clearly state this. Instead, someone wrote "altercation" with Apperson. Look, this is wrong. This is like saying the people at the 9/11 towers "wrangled" or "disputed" or "altercated" with the terrorists. No: they were attacked by the terrorists. XavierItzm ( talk) 22:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
XavierItzm, I don't think you'll get consensus for "Attacked" it's too dramatic and non-specific. The term is often used to give a sense of unfairness and it implies a call for justice by an aggrieved party, like "unfairly attacked" or "9/11 attacks". The argument that it's a neutral description ignores this aspect, and there are other more neutral and more specific terms. Really though I agree with Bus stop that simply "Matthew Apperson" is a good solution. Section headers are just short place holders and not fully descriptive of the section contents. -- Green C 15:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I believe this article should be examined for the possibility of a lack of objectivity and neutrality. Although it is not necessarily negligent, I suppose, to leave out Trayvon Martin's right to stand his ground against George Zimmerman and all other opposing opinions, the fact that George Zimmerman was advised by a 9-1-1 operator against following or pursuing Trayvon Martin, this is not mentioned in this article. There also does not appear to be a neutral position (by means of including opposing opinions) on George Zimmerman's opinion of Obama. I do not see why Zimmerman's opinion on Obama on an act that objectively should be investigated as a hate crime (note: I did not say be found guilty of a hate crime)is mentioned here without opposing opinion. Otherwise, I would leave it out. It sounds to me like a blog or like Zimmerman wrote the first sections of the article. The whole article should be examined as it appears to take Zimmerman's side rather that no side, which is what is expected of Wikipedia. Daviddaniel37 ( talk) 02:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
The word justice is misspelled, someone please fix this, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.179.108 ( talk) 04:03, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
[[ 07:00, 10 August 2017 (UTC)tishtoshtu Zimmerman was 28 years old in March, 2012, the year of the Trayvon Martin shooting. He could not have served 22 years in the military, and afterwards served as magistrate in Florida, then retired in 2002. He would not have been born yet when he joined the military. This timeline is all screwy. Someone please find out the facts of the length of his military service, what kind it was, and preferably where he served. Then please correct the misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tishtoshtu ( talk • contribs) 07:02, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Iscoak. I reverted your removal of the US flag, which was done back in May 2017. May you please explain why you removed it? Thanks. -- George Ho ( talk) 05:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
... in the news this week ... I'm not sure if this merits a mention ... https://theblast.com/george-zimmerman-threatens-jay-z-violence-trayvon-martin-documentary/ the eloquent peasant ( talk) 10:38, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "In Popular Culture" or something? Isn't everything on Wikipedia media perception (VnT)? Topkecleon ( talk) 23:40, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
His mother is "a fierce, devoutly Catholic first-generation immigrant from Peru" [4]. Neighbors tended to define the family based on their spiritual profile. “Very Catholic . . . very religious,” their neighbor Jim Rudzenski recalled. Zimmerman "was once a Catholic altar boy". George became an altar server and evening receptionist at All Saints Catholic Church. The Zimmermans “were known and respected in the community for their dedication and service,” said Robert Cilinski, pastor of All Saints Catholic Church. [5] During the murder trial, Zimmerman quoted Catholic beliefs as part of his defense, [6] meaning he still associated himself with Catholicism during the period of his notability. This is all sufficient for inclusion of the Catholic category. Removal of those categories would need to be justified in light of this evidence (and lots more Google shows). -- Green C 18:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define[1] the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc. For example, here: "Caravaggio, an Italian artist of the Baroque movement ...", Italian, artist, and Baroque may all be considered to be defining characteristics of the subject Caravaggio.- Yes Zimmerman is Catholic, but it is not a defining characteristic of him. Typically religious cats are not applied unless the the person is in a religious profession, or unless it is a major part of the public persona and reputation. I think using these sources and mentioning his religion is find in the article, but I don't think categorization is appropriate. ResultingConstant ( talk) 02:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
I reverted this edit as it is unsourced. Do not add again until there is clear sourcing for every statement. Also, lead sections do not mention things like this unless the person is notable for it, and the persona commonly self-identifies as such. -- Green C 02:08, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
"George Michael Zimmerman (born October 5, 1983) is an American known for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida on February 26, 2012. On July 13, 2013, he was acquitted of all charges in Florida v. George Zimmerman. As of 2015, he remained the subject of media interest due to ongoing controversy over the Trayvon Martin case. In addition, he has been involved in other violent incidents, with allegations of violence made against him; however, he was not convicted."
Mentions being acquitted of all charges but never mentions what the charges were. "has been involved in other violent incidents" implies that he acted violently but there is no direct evidence of this. There were accusations but they were recanted and the charges dropped. "As of 2015" is also dumb. We're in 2019 now. Whole thing should be re-written.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Emeraldflames ( talk • contribs) 01:58, 30 March 2019 (UTC) Emeraldflames ( talk) 02:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
This is just breaking, but the Miami Herald is reporting as well as other news outlets that he's suing for 100 mill.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article238030539.html-- KimYunmi ( talk) 18:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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The word "acquittal" is misspelled in the first paragraph of the article. GeorgiNT ( talk) 15:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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In Roddy Richh's "The Box," He said "I done put a hunnid bands on Zimmerman shit" for the popular cultures section AyeItzRaptor ( talk) 01:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
The tabloid newspaper Todays Five posted a story making the rounds on the Internet about Zimmerman being arrested for DUI. This is a fake story. Associated Press wrote a debunking article: https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9011871065 -- Green C 03:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
This wording very strongly implies that Zimmerman was targeted by someone who was upset about his acquittal, but the more detailed description in the article body does not imply this. I am inclined to simply remove the reference to the 2014 incident from the lead, as it is not why Zimmerman is notable and would be very difficult to word in an unbiased way so as not to imply it was related to the incident for which he is notable. Thoughts? Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 04:54, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Apperson confronted Zimmerman over the Martin shooting, Zimmerman left in his vehicle, Apperson pursued him and shot into his vehicle. There are reliable sources on the incident and trial that Matthew Apperson was obsessed with Zimmerman over the Martin shooting. Any details exculpatory to Zimmerman or incriminatory to his assailants or accusers gets purged from the articles. Check versions preserved in the history. -- Naaman Brown ( talk) 14:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
In the section "Lawsuits", the hundred million dollar lawsuit against the Martin family and 265 million dollar lawsuit against Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren were mentioned, but with no mention that both lawsuits were dismissed. I looked up this information and confirmed the lawsuits were dismissed. I feel that should be mentioned in the section. 2600:1012:B06D:32A7:D49A:EC75:FBD:CE60 ( talk) 23:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)