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I've been watching this and considering it for a couple days now, but NYC is clearly turning into one of the big sites of these events. First curfew in decades! I was going to start with material taken from the list article, but was surprised at how it was almost entirely a detailed list of acts committed by protesters, which seemed strange. So I just started from scratch. Big chunks still missing. Made a first pass at organization, but it'll need to evolve as the story does, of course. It's late now, but I plan to come back to this to continue working tomorrow. FYI. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Rhododendrites: I think your trimming of the material I added is fair enough, but I've expanded the sentence slightly to mention the NYPD's history of policing protests, which is emphasised in the Guardian article and seems relevant enough to this article about protests. I've also added a link to New York City Police Department corruption and misconduct, which gives a useful overview and ought to be linked somewhere, though the current awkward location could probably be improved. What do you think? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 11:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Epicgenius: This material was already included. Some is duplicated verbatim below. Also ref naming duplication errors. Possible a summary could be included under the timeline and then elaborated upon below but the review, etc. is specifically about the government response. There are ongoing challenges of organization, but I figured focus on the protests themselves in the timeline and go into more detail of specific incidents, politics, police investigations, etc. separately. The incident of police pulling down someone's mask to pepper spray them is new though (in the sense that I neglected to copy it over), if you want to fix the ref. (I won't be able to edit again until later this evening). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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Created by Rhododendrites ( talk). Self-nominated at 21:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC).
... that amid the George Floyd protests, New York City implemented its first nighttime curfew since the Harlem riot of 1943?{{u| Sdkb}} talk 04:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
I keep seeing new events added to the timeline which are part of the greater BLM protest movement or perhaps part of the 2020-21 United States racial unrest, but are not, as far as I can tell, clearly part of "George Floyd protests in New York City." There have been several discussions at Talk:George Floyd protests (see archive 2 in particular), without a clear consensus of how to organize these topics. Obviously there's no clear answer like a date where one set of protests end and another begins. The killing of George Floyd is still very relevant to ongoing protests, but I don't think it makes sense to expand this article outwards indefinitely.
So here's an approach I'd like to take, and I'm hoping to get your thoughts:
I'm working on a draft of "Black Lives Matter protests in New York City" that goes back further and continues after the protests directly responding to the killing of George Floyd. It starts with Eric Garner, summarizes this article, and has a wider scope to allow for continued expansion.
I'm thinking, looking at the timeline of this article, that it makes sense to focus this one on the events of May-July, as well as any e.g. police reforms or other events with a clear connection to those protests. But any significant specific protests/incidents that don't mention a connection to George Floyd, but are discussed as part of the broader BLM movement, would be moved over (or, in some cases where WP:WEIGHT or RS is an issue, omitted). I should have the draft up later tonight, and would welcome additions/edits/discussion. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Another question: what to do with some of the material that's relevant to both articles? The Eric Garner Anti-Chokehold Act is a good example. It's directly relevant to the George Floyd protests, but also has wider significance to BLM via, obviously Eric Garner. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Ok I'm going to move it live: Black Lives Matter protests in New York City. In sum, though not ideal, it seems unavoidable that we need to impose a semi-artificial cut-off point. My sense of the sourcing and events is that's roughly the end of June. So let's cover through then in this article and summarize the events of May and June in the new article, which is where anything thereafter will live (for now at least), as well as Black Lives Matter events in NYC before the the George Floyd protests. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Following on it seems unavoidable that we need to impose a semi-artificial cut-off point
above, I've gone ahead and updated the infobox and tense of the lead to set the bounds for protests covered in this article at May-June 2020, with what follows (and preceded) covered at the BLM in NYC article. Of course, this article still covers events after June 2020 directly connected to George Floyd and the protests that took place in May/June (so trials, reports, legislation, memorials, etc.). —
Rhododendrites
talk \\ 21:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Currently unresolved, so maybe best not included, but [1] — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:25, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
The first reference cites two specific people. The second reference cites a third, completely different person. This content needs to be separated into two distinct parts:
In the early hours of May 30, a young woman from the Hudson Valley region and a young man were arrested for throwing a Molotov cocktail at an abandoned NYPD van. [1] No police officers were hurt, however both faced several charges including four counts of attempted murder. [2] [3] On July 1, both were charged with seven federal charges and face long mandatory minimum sentences. [4]
Also, here's some new info. The people cited in the first reference have both pled guilty. This info should be added, but not until after the above issue is fixed.
We43ff21 ( talk) 15:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
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A fact from George Floyd protests in New York City appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 13 July 2020 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
|
I've been watching this and considering it for a couple days now, but NYC is clearly turning into one of the big sites of these events. First curfew in decades! I was going to start with material taken from the list article, but was surprised at how it was almost entirely a detailed list of acts committed by protesters, which seemed strange. So I just started from scratch. Big chunks still missing. Made a first pass at organization, but it'll need to evolve as the story does, of course. It's late now, but I plan to come back to this to continue working tomorrow. FYI. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Rhododendrites: I think your trimming of the material I added is fair enough, but I've expanded the sentence slightly to mention the NYPD's history of policing protests, which is emphasised in the Guardian article and seems relevant enough to this article about protests. I've also added a link to New York City Police Department corruption and misconduct, which gives a useful overview and ought to be linked somewhere, though the current awkward location could probably be improved. What do you think? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 11:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Epicgenius: This material was already included. Some is duplicated verbatim below. Also ref naming duplication errors. Possible a summary could be included under the timeline and then elaborated upon below but the review, etc. is specifically about the government response. There are ongoing challenges of organization, but I figured focus on the protests themselves in the timeline and go into more detail of specific incidents, politics, police investigations, etc. separately. The incident of police pulling down someone's mask to pepper spray them is new though (in the sense that I neglected to copy it over), if you want to fix the ref. (I won't be able to edit again until later this evening). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Yoninah (
talk) 21:52, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Created by Rhododendrites ( talk). Self-nominated at 21:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC).
... that amid the George Floyd protests, New York City implemented its first nighttime curfew since the Harlem riot of 1943?{{u| Sdkb}} talk 04:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
I keep seeing new events added to the timeline which are part of the greater BLM protest movement or perhaps part of the 2020-21 United States racial unrest, but are not, as far as I can tell, clearly part of "George Floyd protests in New York City." There have been several discussions at Talk:George Floyd protests (see archive 2 in particular), without a clear consensus of how to organize these topics. Obviously there's no clear answer like a date where one set of protests end and another begins. The killing of George Floyd is still very relevant to ongoing protests, but I don't think it makes sense to expand this article outwards indefinitely.
So here's an approach I'd like to take, and I'm hoping to get your thoughts:
I'm working on a draft of "Black Lives Matter protests in New York City" that goes back further and continues after the protests directly responding to the killing of George Floyd. It starts with Eric Garner, summarizes this article, and has a wider scope to allow for continued expansion.
I'm thinking, looking at the timeline of this article, that it makes sense to focus this one on the events of May-July, as well as any e.g. police reforms or other events with a clear connection to those protests. But any significant specific protests/incidents that don't mention a connection to George Floyd, but are discussed as part of the broader BLM movement, would be moved over (or, in some cases where WP:WEIGHT or RS is an issue, omitted). I should have the draft up later tonight, and would welcome additions/edits/discussion. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Another question: what to do with some of the material that's relevant to both articles? The Eric Garner Anti-Chokehold Act is a good example. It's directly relevant to the George Floyd protests, but also has wider significance to BLM via, obviously Eric Garner. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:44, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Ok I'm going to move it live: Black Lives Matter protests in New York City. In sum, though not ideal, it seems unavoidable that we need to impose a semi-artificial cut-off point. My sense of the sourcing and events is that's roughly the end of June. So let's cover through then in this article and summarize the events of May and June in the new article, which is where anything thereafter will live (for now at least), as well as Black Lives Matter events in NYC before the the George Floyd protests. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Following on it seems unavoidable that we need to impose a semi-artificial cut-off point
above, I've gone ahead and updated the infobox and tense of the lead to set the bounds for protests covered in this article at May-June 2020, with what follows (and preceded) covered at the BLM in NYC article. Of course, this article still covers events after June 2020 directly connected to George Floyd and the protests that took place in May/June (so trials, reports, legislation, memorials, etc.). —
Rhododendrites
talk \\ 21:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Currently unresolved, so maybe best not included, but [1] — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:25, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
The first reference cites two specific people. The second reference cites a third, completely different person. This content needs to be separated into two distinct parts:
In the early hours of May 30, a young woman from the Hudson Valley region and a young man were arrested for throwing a Molotov cocktail at an abandoned NYPD van. [1] No police officers were hurt, however both faced several charges including four counts of attempted murder. [2] [3] On July 1, both were charged with seven federal charges and face long mandatory minimum sentences. [4]
Also, here's some new info. The people cited in the first reference have both pled guilty. This info should be added, but not until after the above issue is fixed.
We43ff21 ( talk) 15:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
References
:4
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).