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This article is poorly written and focuses more on Owens' character on "The Cosby Show" than it actually focuses on Owens himself. Rhythmnation2004 15:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
You post irrelevant insults like that and HE's the moron??? Get a life. Smurfmeister ( talk) 14:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is the expected result for Geoffrey Owens, perhaps. But there is an independent filmmaker named Geoffrey Owens, as well. Should that be split somehow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artythesmarty ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 25 April (UTC)
Should this be noted in this article?
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/08/31/cosby-show-actor-geoffrey-owens-spotted-bagging-groceries-at-nj-trader-joes.html
San Francisco Bay Area Native 22:28, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Unless WP:BLP has been rewritten recently, Wikipedia isn't a tabloid. Why is there a section of this biography dedicated to this nothingburger? Is it a significant part of his life story? Is it meaningful? Is it anything more than tabloid news? — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 01:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
If this guy was regular tabloid fodder and this piece was only featured in tabloid type media outlets, that'd be one thing. Instead, it became a major news item (definitely notable). I think putting under the non-acting work section works. four tildes. — Preceding
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99.119.197.4 (
talk)
17:23, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
It was initially tabloid-only reportage, hence why I RPPed it last week when the "story" was solely the photo. Now that it's became part of the regular story itself, it is certainly notable enough to be included in his biography. The question really is is it part of his career? I'd say it should go in his personal life, following the pattern I've seen of say an actor who has written a book, but isn't known as an author. I don't know if there's guidance on BLP for this issue, but that's what I've seen, know OSE etc etc. Should be a sentence or two, not a subsection though. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:20, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Please answer the specific question "Why are you opposed to having the paragraph included in the Career section"? What part of WP:BLP would that violate? I cannot see a clear answer to that question in any of your posts. BarbadosKen ( talk) 22:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
In the Trader Joe's paragraph, the last line says "he quit his job." Could we change it to "he no longer works there." ? Reason being he is likely looking (or has found) other work. There's no OR in that change; whether he's looking or not saying "he no longer works there" is true either way. (That's how he phrased it in the article as well). Thanks. 198.60.5.253 ( talk) 23:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Is it consistent with WP:BLP and WP:NPOV (specifically WP:PROPORTION) to include a 140-word paragraph about Owens' employment at Trader Joe's supermarket? [1] — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 01:26, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Could you please better frame the question? Is the question at hand about whether the paragraph should be trimmed? or should it be eliminated? If trimmed, what specifically is objectionable and should be shaved off? BarbadosKen ( talk) 03:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The above section seems to have the consensus that the paragraph is warranted. I am opening up this section for those who would like to discuss what material to place in the paragraph, and what material to exclude from the paragraph. BarbadosKen ( talk) 16:52, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Three editors instituted a clean, neutral, and direct version of the events that covered all the necessary parts. One editor continues to insist that frivolous details need to be included and is edit-warring without any discussion. This editor seems to be WP:ICANTHEARYOU on a variety of issues and is loathe to even discuss their opinions on the talk page rather than just knee-jerk reverting, but then is just as intractable about getting any policy support for those views when they do make an appearance here. Starting another new thread here, because previous discussions got nowhere and are various degrees of embedded. JesseRafe ( talk) 16:53, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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This article is poorly written and focuses more on Owens' character on "The Cosby Show" than it actually focuses on Owens himself. Rhythmnation2004 15:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
You post irrelevant insults like that and HE's the moron??? Get a life. Smurfmeister ( talk) 14:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is the expected result for Geoffrey Owens, perhaps. But there is an independent filmmaker named Geoffrey Owens, as well. Should that be split somehow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artythesmarty ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 25 April (UTC)
Should this be noted in this article?
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/08/31/cosby-show-actor-geoffrey-owens-spotted-bagging-groceries-at-nj-trader-joes.html
San Francisco Bay Area Native 22:28, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Unless WP:BLP has been rewritten recently, Wikipedia isn't a tabloid. Why is there a section of this biography dedicated to this nothingburger? Is it a significant part of his life story? Is it meaningful? Is it anything more than tabloid news? — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 01:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
If this guy was regular tabloid fodder and this piece was only featured in tabloid type media outlets, that'd be one thing. Instead, it became a major news item (definitely notable). I think putting under the non-acting work section works. four tildes. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
99.119.197.4 (
talk)
17:23, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
It was initially tabloid-only reportage, hence why I RPPed it last week when the "story" was solely the photo. Now that it's became part of the regular story itself, it is certainly notable enough to be included in his biography. The question really is is it part of his career? I'd say it should go in his personal life, following the pattern I've seen of say an actor who has written a book, but isn't known as an author. I don't know if there's guidance on BLP for this issue, but that's what I've seen, know OSE etc etc. Should be a sentence or two, not a subsection though. JesseRafe ( talk) 13:20, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Please answer the specific question "Why are you opposed to having the paragraph included in the Career section"? What part of WP:BLP would that violate? I cannot see a clear answer to that question in any of your posts. BarbadosKen ( talk) 22:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
In the Trader Joe's paragraph, the last line says "he quit his job." Could we change it to "he no longer works there." ? Reason being he is likely looking (or has found) other work. There's no OR in that change; whether he's looking or not saying "he no longer works there" is true either way. (That's how he phrased it in the article as well). Thanks. 198.60.5.253 ( talk) 23:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Is it consistent with WP:BLP and WP:NPOV (specifically WP:PROPORTION) to include a 140-word paragraph about Owens' employment at Trader Joe's supermarket? [1] — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 01:26, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Could you please better frame the question? Is the question at hand about whether the paragraph should be trimmed? or should it be eliminated? If trimmed, what specifically is objectionable and should be shaved off? BarbadosKen ( talk) 03:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The above section seems to have the consensus that the paragraph is warranted. I am opening up this section for those who would like to discuss what material to place in the paragraph, and what material to exclude from the paragraph. BarbadosKen ( talk) 16:52, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Three editors instituted a clean, neutral, and direct version of the events that covered all the necessary parts. One editor continues to insist that frivolous details need to be included and is edit-warring without any discussion. This editor seems to be WP:ICANTHEARYOU on a variety of issues and is loathe to even discuss their opinions on the talk page rather than just knee-jerk reverting, but then is just as intractable about getting any policy support for those views when they do make an appearance here. Starting another new thread here, because previous discussions got nowhere and are various degrees of embedded. JesseRafe ( talk) 16:53, 20 September 2018 (UTC)