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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2020 and 16 February 2020. Further details are available
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 22:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
For example, how am I supposed to talk to my superiors without sounding like a homosexual? If I use masculine words they might be considered offensive. 87.121.129.41 ( talk) 10:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Even if there are some gender-related words, the degree of gender-difference in Japanese is almost the same as Thai; it appears the first person pronouns are currently associated with speaker's gender, but there is no other significant difference in real speech. After all, this topic itself is a mere gender-stereotyped conception that can only be seen in some creations, therefore we must consider gender issues and grammar rules separately, and prospective learners don't have to study such a gender-based diction. Actually I'm concerned that joseigo and danseigo will become obstacles to access to the original shape of traditional Japanese even for the native speakers. Head jockaa ( talk) 18:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Nowadays using these stereotyped dictions for symbolizing speaker's attribute itself has started to become a target for criticism.I am not able to parse this text to determine any meaning. Which text from the referenced source directly supports this text? - Ryk72 talk 11:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
An anonymous user recently removed the reference to Japanese: The Spoken Language, calling it "kind of nonsensical when the direct translations are “mens speech” and “womens speech”. I undid that edit, preferring reliably published sources to random Wikipedians' sense of propriety. However, I don't have a copy JSL – I don't know if I lost mine – and I vaguely recall the differences being described as upper class—lower class. Can someone please check whether the lead section of this article accurately reflects that book, or else cite another source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnilep ( talk • contribs) 03:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
The section "Onabe and transgender male speakers" cites work by Claire Maree, and use(d) the pronoun himself in reference to an onabe bar host. A hidden comment note(d), "NOTE: RS use he/him pronouns for the interviewee so the wiki article will reflect that." User:Kazlkid changed himself to themself, presumably on the assumption that this would be the preference of a person who does not identify as a man or woman. I don't know the anonymized speaker's expressed preferences, but I know Claire Maree's reputation as a careful and respected scholar. I would therefore recommend following the original source unless there is a clear and specific reason not to. Cnilep ( talk) 03:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 January 2020 and 16 February 2020. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
EmmWilliam.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 22:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
For example, how am I supposed to talk to my superiors without sounding like a homosexual? If I use masculine words they might be considered offensive. 87.121.129.41 ( talk) 10:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Even if there are some gender-related words, the degree of gender-difference in Japanese is almost the same as Thai; it appears the first person pronouns are currently associated with speaker's gender, but there is no other significant difference in real speech. After all, this topic itself is a mere gender-stereotyped conception that can only be seen in some creations, therefore we must consider gender issues and grammar rules separately, and prospective learners don't have to study such a gender-based diction. Actually I'm concerned that joseigo and danseigo will become obstacles to access to the original shape of traditional Japanese even for the native speakers. Head jockaa ( talk) 18:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Nowadays using these stereotyped dictions for symbolizing speaker's attribute itself has started to become a target for criticism.I am not able to parse this text to determine any meaning. Which text from the referenced source directly supports this text? - Ryk72 talk 11:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
An anonymous user recently removed the reference to Japanese: The Spoken Language, calling it "kind of nonsensical when the direct translations are “mens speech” and “womens speech”. I undid that edit, preferring reliably published sources to random Wikipedians' sense of propriety. However, I don't have a copy JSL – I don't know if I lost mine – and I vaguely recall the differences being described as upper class—lower class. Can someone please check whether the lead section of this article accurately reflects that book, or else cite another source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnilep ( talk • contribs) 03:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
The section "Onabe and transgender male speakers" cites work by Claire Maree, and use(d) the pronoun himself in reference to an onabe bar host. A hidden comment note(d), "NOTE: RS use he/him pronouns for the interviewee so the wiki article will reflect that." User:Kazlkid changed himself to themself, presumably on the assumption that this would be the preference of a person who does not identify as a man or woman. I don't know the anonymized speaker's expressed preferences, but I know Claire Maree's reputation as a careful and respected scholar. I would therefore recommend following the original source unless there is a clear and specific reason not to. Cnilep ( talk) 03:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)