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Removed "Prior to any surgeries, transsexual and transgendered people must usually abide by the Standards of Care for Gender Identity Disorders set by the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association." and replaced again with "Prior to any surgeries, transgendered or transsexual people usually undergo hormone replacement therapy."
The formal requirements of SRS are discussed at lenght in Sex reassignement surgery and in Standards of Care for Gender Identity Disorders. This page is only about the surgery itself. This was done after reaching consent about the matter, see Talk:List of transgender-related topics. Also, the HBIGA-SoCs are not the only SoCs in the world; the Wikipedia is an international project and should not have a US-POV.
Also removed under "see also" Transsexuality and Sex reassignment surgery. The first link is POV, since not only transsexual people have SRS, and the second unnecessary, because it is already the very first link in the article. Also, the List of transgender-related topics was done so that a single link is sufficient; both links are of course on that list, together with many other important ones. -- AlexR 10:47, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
OK, I am at a complete loss... "fetishistic content" removed? I totally don't get what you are talking about in the prior revision. Nick
Also, many (I would say most) patients cannot maintain their vaginal depth and with intercourse alone. Many transwomen will develop significant stenosis without vigilant dialation. The implication that just having penetrative vaginal intercourse is adequate is dangerous for most transwomen. So that was fixed. Nick
BlueGreen, you are obviously being pushed off the deep end. You say: “One from a top SRS surgeon's instructions page, and two of peer-reviewed papers reporting results of McIndoe and Coloplasty (Sigmoid Resection), where it is clear that coitus was usually sufficient. There's no obvious reason why penile flap inversion should lead to a greater problem.” (my bolds) Then when I say that a sigmoid flap and a penile inversion are not comparable in this regard, you then reply: “You make out you have reading difficulties. The citations were with regard to McIndoe (free grafts from thigh usually), Vecchietti dilation (identical skin), and penile flap. No sigmoid flap.”
Like do you really think we are all so stupid as to not be able to look.... oh say 20 lines up in the post and see your original comment?
...Just like your claim that you described the so called fetishistic content in Julie's post. You didn't. We aren't all stupid. Sometimes I may be too lazy to argue, but when you are obviously pushing a dangerous agenda which you don't even understand places people's lives and bodies at risk – then I'll find a way to make time. So I say again.... why not just tell us what the fetishistic content in this version was? http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sex_reassignment_surgery_male-to-female&diff=18308930&oldid=16453318 Instead of saying 'I already said so, Julie said it' why not just cut and paste where you told us what it was (or better yet, Julie's original comment) and thus make me look stupid?
Also, with regards to estrogen supplementation after orchiectomy, and whether topically applied estrogen needs to be included: first off, you should be on average female HRT doses after orchiectomy. The range is 0.5-2, so you are high-balling it with regards to the estradiol dose. Secondly, 2g/day of estradiol cream gives you about 0.2mg of estradiol. If you were on average female replacement doses... that is anywhere between about 1/3-1/10 your daily dose using my calculator. Hardly one pill every 18 days and hardly something that is inconsequential... that is of course unless you are chugging down estrogen at unnecessary, unadvised doses post-orchiectomy? Or perhaps unless you are advising other transwomen to do so? And do you want references for the appropriateness of using lower dosing post orchiectomy? OK. NP. Futterweit W. “Endocrine therapy of transsexualism and potential complications of long term therapy.” ASB 27(2) 1998. The Tom Waddell Protocols: http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/chn/HlthCtrs/HlthCtrDocs/TransGendprotocols.pdf, Tangpricha V, et al “Endocrinologic Treatment of Gender Identity Disorders.” Endo Pract 9(1) 2003. Feldman and Brockting. “Transgender Health” Minn Med. 86(7) 2003.
So in addition to not assuming that we can read what you wrote 20 lines previously, why not also assume that I am quite familiar with negotiating E doses with transgender women and while I was born in the morning, it wasn't yesterday morning. I always double check the math.
Lastly, with regard to my “attitude to the women who ask for or have had done the procedure “... actually, there quite a few of them who have no problem with my attitude. One of them brought me cookies last week. And I got two hugs that clinic too (three if you count my non-trans patients as well.) Nick
Ah, ok I see.
Julie, I agree with you about the majority of the edits you've done, however I think that there is a point to be said about not comparing it to body piercings for two reasons. First, its adequately stated in the paragraph above. Second it does compare it with something that can be quite offensive to some transgender women as this is used to denigrate their reality as simply something that is a fetish or sexual drive. Thats not to say that piercing is bad or always sexual or fetishistic. However, there are examples that are less damaging and hurtful to transgender women that you could use. Like, for example, the fact that other artificial openings that medicine creates are closed by the body.... gastrostomy tubes, myringotomy, etc. and that these must be kept open by PEG tubes and PE tubes respectively. Or just leave it at the wound example. Nick
Wikipedia just doesn't seem to be working with trans articles, probably because most people are either not interested or are afraid to be involved. There isn't the broad involvement to ensure good articles and people can get away with having outragous stuff up, for months. My entire, very carefully written and referenced verson being just simply reverted to one it evidence was badly wrong (and you cannot see something as NPOV and wrong) on the plain, bald, pretext of NPOV, with no explanation on the Discussion page, no example, no selectivity is a perfect example. Should I take it that I should have included for the fundie viewpoint? The fetishists? The psychoananlysts? The advocates of reparative therapy? The advocates of different surgeons?-- Bluegreen 07:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
The end of the first paragraph "other procedures" linked to back to this same article. I removed the link because it was confusing.
The end of the first paragraph "other procedures" linked to back to this same article. I removed the link because it was confusing.-- Lavi 18:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I remembered once I've found on a website about SRS, it had a video showing the vaginoplasty. This kind of vaginoplasty didn't remove anything of the male sexual organ. The whole thing was entirely shrunk and inverted into the body. Then a tube, looks like a plastic tube, was inserted. If anyone watched this before, or at least read this site, please make a link to it. Thanks! -- Edmundkh 11:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
The link I mean, may be external link. Thanks God, I've been waited for so f***ing long for a respond!! -- Edmundkh 09:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Is prostate removed during male to female sex change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.178.250 ( talk) 13:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
No. In the majority of the cases the prostate is retained, as removing it is considered high risk due to the proximity of the bladder.
Because of the fact check going back to August 2007 and the lack of any sources referenced, except for one broken link, I have removed most of the article, excepting the templates, links, introduction, etc. I think it would be good if future editors first found cites for the introductory paragraph and then not add anything without reliable sources. I will add that this article is now a stub. Cornince ( talk) 11:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Well done.
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The result of the move request was: not moved Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 10:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Sex reassignment surgery (male-to-female) → Surgery for trans women – - We need to avoid using terminology implying that trans women actually were men prior to their period of surgery. Georgia guy ( talk) 20:51, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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"Regular application of estrogen into the vagina, for which there are several standard products, may help, but this must be calculated into total estrogen dose."
Can someone provide the source for this line? I think it might be factually incorrect and I'd like permission to remove it.
I'd go as far as saying the whole article should be flagged because it has no sources.
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I don't want to get into an edit war here, but the idea that the body treats a neo-vagina as an open wound is plainly absurd. This is rhetoric used by anti-transgender people to both scare, and delegitimize transgender people.
I'll say that the entire article seems to mostly be out of date with modern surgical practices. The thailand procedures are very common and are not described here.
The vagina will not "close up" if you do not dilate, except in the very early stages of healing (when raw sutures are exposed to each other). Once the initial healing is complete, there is no risk of that. The risk is some loss of depth and loss of flexibility. None of the sources provided state anything otherwise.
Trysha ( talk) 21:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
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I have no personal or professional stake in this subject, but as 'transgender' issues are increasingly in the news, curiosity brought me to this article. Presumably it will be the first port of call for many others. It therefore seems desirable for the article to provide at least brief coverage of all aspects that are likely to occur to readers, if only in the form of links to other articles. Relevant topics that don't seem to be covered at present include: a) urination. In the standard male anatomy, urine passes through the urethra down the centre of the penis and out through the opening (meatus) at its tip. In the standard female anatomy, the urethra is a separate tube passing outside the vagina, and opening into the vestibule. Urine does not normally pass through the vagina itself. Neither of these arrangements seem to be possible with penile inversion, but I do not see any explanation in the present article of what *does* happen. Is a separate opening created, or is the urethra included with the 'inverted' penis? If the latter, urine presumably flows out through the 'vagina'. If so, there must be practical issues of hygiene etc. b) semen. In the standard male anatomy, seminal fluid is produced mainly by the seminal vesicles, stored in the prostate gland, and mixed with spermatozoa from the testicles at the time of ejaculation. (Fluid is also produced by Cowper's glands at and before ejaculation.) Ejaculation itself involves contraction of muscles around the relevant ducts. Obviously in the case of male-female surgery the testes are removed, so no spermatozoa are produced, but it isn't clear what happens to the rest of the apparatus, or to its functions. According to a comment on this Talk page, the prostate gland is usually retained, and I guess the same would apply to the other components - or are they removed to make space for the 'vagina'? c) ejaculation. Assuming that the prostate and other glands are retained, seminal fluid will still be produced, unless perhaps production is suppressed by female hormones. If there is orgasm, however induced (including 'wet dreams'), the seminal fluid is presumably released through the constructed 'vagina'. The present article may not be the place for detailed explanations, but I think these obvious major issues should at least be mentioned. 2A00:23C8:7906:1301:AC7E:C960:BA3F:BB94 ( talk) 15:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Prior to my changes, this article had many statements with no source attached, or sources that contradicted what was written in the article. One example of this is "Over time, dilation is required less often, but it may be required indefinitely in some cases." The citation for this was ". . . Dilation is required less often over time, but it may be recommended indefinitely.". As well, many of the unsourced statements were phrased in ways that could make gender-affirming surgery seem like haphazard medicine or inherently prone to poor outcomes, rather than a well-established medical practice no more or less prone to complications than any other practice:
"Surgeon's requirements, procedures, and recommendations vary enormously in the days before and after, and the months following these procedures." This statement is true, but it also is true for any other type of medical procedure. Its inclusion in tandem with other statements made implies gender-affirming care in particular is unorganised and unprofessional, which is a politically loaded and factually incorrect line of thinking frequently used to create legislation that denies trans people healthcare they need. I'm not saying anyone had bad intentions in writing this, but I don't think it needs to be here.
"Since plastic surgery involves skin, it is never an exact procedure." Again, while this is true, it isn't appropriate to include here.
"Supporters of colovaginoplasty state that this method is better than use of skin grafts for the reason that colon is already mucosal, whereas skin is not. Lubrication is needed when having sex and occasional douching is advised so that bacteria do not start to grow and give off odors." Not only does this statement present bowel vaginoplasty as needing "supporters" rather than being an established part of gender-affirming healthcare, it presents uncited information that makes bowel vaginoplasty out to be inferior or as making one "dirty" as fact. I found no references to foul smells as an outcome of bowel vaginoplasty during the research for the edits I've made so far. Perhaps I'll find the source for a statement like this as my research continues, but so far I haven't found it.
Many of the statements made originally, both unsourced and sourced with contradictory information, paint a strong picture of transfeminine genital surgery as being inherently prone to poor outcomes and resulting in a lifetime of discomfort at the best of times. As well, the structure of it is confusing at times. These issues are not present in the FtM equivalent of this page, so I am trying to bring this page up to that standard. Oystersauce99 ( talk) 01:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
@ WanderingWanda and Sideswipe9th: It seems Ingenuity already moved this article and Gender-affirming surgery (female-to-male) while closing the move to Gender-affirming surgery, although they missed out Sex reassignment therapy (not sure why) and they didn't move them to the titles were suggested (ie. Feminizing surgery and Masculinizing surgery). – Scyrme ( talk) 18:53, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Are any editors in favour of merging the subtopic 'History' with the homonymous subtopic in vaginoplasty? After all, the current section only focuses on vaginoplasty. As it doesn't seem feasible to write an entire history section on all gender-affirming surgeries, it may be a better idea to add a history section to the pages of the respective procedures and leave the rest of the page as it is. Cixous ( talk) 19:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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Removed "Prior to any surgeries, transsexual and transgendered people must usually abide by the Standards of Care for Gender Identity Disorders set by the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association." and replaced again with "Prior to any surgeries, transgendered or transsexual people usually undergo hormone replacement therapy."
The formal requirements of SRS are discussed at lenght in Sex reassignement surgery and in Standards of Care for Gender Identity Disorders. This page is only about the surgery itself. This was done after reaching consent about the matter, see Talk:List of transgender-related topics. Also, the HBIGA-SoCs are not the only SoCs in the world; the Wikipedia is an international project and should not have a US-POV.
Also removed under "see also" Transsexuality and Sex reassignment surgery. The first link is POV, since not only transsexual people have SRS, and the second unnecessary, because it is already the very first link in the article. Also, the List of transgender-related topics was done so that a single link is sufficient; both links are of course on that list, together with many other important ones. -- AlexR 10:47, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
OK, I am at a complete loss... "fetishistic content" removed? I totally don't get what you are talking about in the prior revision. Nick
Also, many (I would say most) patients cannot maintain their vaginal depth and with intercourse alone. Many transwomen will develop significant stenosis without vigilant dialation. The implication that just having penetrative vaginal intercourse is adequate is dangerous for most transwomen. So that was fixed. Nick
BlueGreen, you are obviously being pushed off the deep end. You say: “One from a top SRS surgeon's instructions page, and two of peer-reviewed papers reporting results of McIndoe and Coloplasty (Sigmoid Resection), where it is clear that coitus was usually sufficient. There's no obvious reason why penile flap inversion should lead to a greater problem.” (my bolds) Then when I say that a sigmoid flap and a penile inversion are not comparable in this regard, you then reply: “You make out you have reading difficulties. The citations were with regard to McIndoe (free grafts from thigh usually), Vecchietti dilation (identical skin), and penile flap. No sigmoid flap.”
Like do you really think we are all so stupid as to not be able to look.... oh say 20 lines up in the post and see your original comment?
...Just like your claim that you described the so called fetishistic content in Julie's post. You didn't. We aren't all stupid. Sometimes I may be too lazy to argue, but when you are obviously pushing a dangerous agenda which you don't even understand places people's lives and bodies at risk – then I'll find a way to make time. So I say again.... why not just tell us what the fetishistic content in this version was? http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sex_reassignment_surgery_male-to-female&diff=18308930&oldid=16453318 Instead of saying 'I already said so, Julie said it' why not just cut and paste where you told us what it was (or better yet, Julie's original comment) and thus make me look stupid?
Also, with regards to estrogen supplementation after orchiectomy, and whether topically applied estrogen needs to be included: first off, you should be on average female HRT doses after orchiectomy. The range is 0.5-2, so you are high-balling it with regards to the estradiol dose. Secondly, 2g/day of estradiol cream gives you about 0.2mg of estradiol. If you were on average female replacement doses... that is anywhere between about 1/3-1/10 your daily dose using my calculator. Hardly one pill every 18 days and hardly something that is inconsequential... that is of course unless you are chugging down estrogen at unnecessary, unadvised doses post-orchiectomy? Or perhaps unless you are advising other transwomen to do so? And do you want references for the appropriateness of using lower dosing post orchiectomy? OK. NP. Futterweit W. “Endocrine therapy of transsexualism and potential complications of long term therapy.” ASB 27(2) 1998. The Tom Waddell Protocols: http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/chn/HlthCtrs/HlthCtrDocs/TransGendprotocols.pdf, Tangpricha V, et al “Endocrinologic Treatment of Gender Identity Disorders.” Endo Pract 9(1) 2003. Feldman and Brockting. “Transgender Health” Minn Med. 86(7) 2003.
So in addition to not assuming that we can read what you wrote 20 lines previously, why not also assume that I am quite familiar with negotiating E doses with transgender women and while I was born in the morning, it wasn't yesterday morning. I always double check the math.
Lastly, with regard to my “attitude to the women who ask for or have had done the procedure “... actually, there quite a few of them who have no problem with my attitude. One of them brought me cookies last week. And I got two hugs that clinic too (three if you count my non-trans patients as well.) Nick
Ah, ok I see.
Julie, I agree with you about the majority of the edits you've done, however I think that there is a point to be said about not comparing it to body piercings for two reasons. First, its adequately stated in the paragraph above. Second it does compare it with something that can be quite offensive to some transgender women as this is used to denigrate their reality as simply something that is a fetish or sexual drive. Thats not to say that piercing is bad or always sexual or fetishistic. However, there are examples that are less damaging and hurtful to transgender women that you could use. Like, for example, the fact that other artificial openings that medicine creates are closed by the body.... gastrostomy tubes, myringotomy, etc. and that these must be kept open by PEG tubes and PE tubes respectively. Or just leave it at the wound example. Nick
Wikipedia just doesn't seem to be working with trans articles, probably because most people are either not interested or are afraid to be involved. There isn't the broad involvement to ensure good articles and people can get away with having outragous stuff up, for months. My entire, very carefully written and referenced verson being just simply reverted to one it evidence was badly wrong (and you cannot see something as NPOV and wrong) on the plain, bald, pretext of NPOV, with no explanation on the Discussion page, no example, no selectivity is a perfect example. Should I take it that I should have included for the fundie viewpoint? The fetishists? The psychoananlysts? The advocates of reparative therapy? The advocates of different surgeons?-- Bluegreen 07:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
The end of the first paragraph "other procedures" linked to back to this same article. I removed the link because it was confusing.
The end of the first paragraph "other procedures" linked to back to this same article. I removed the link because it was confusing.-- Lavi 18:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I remembered once I've found on a website about SRS, it had a video showing the vaginoplasty. This kind of vaginoplasty didn't remove anything of the male sexual organ. The whole thing was entirely shrunk and inverted into the body. Then a tube, looks like a plastic tube, was inserted. If anyone watched this before, or at least read this site, please make a link to it. Thanks! -- Edmundkh 11:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
The link I mean, may be external link. Thanks God, I've been waited for so f***ing long for a respond!! -- Edmundkh 09:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Is prostate removed during male to female sex change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.178.250 ( talk) 13:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
No. In the majority of the cases the prostate is retained, as removing it is considered high risk due to the proximity of the bladder.
Because of the fact check going back to August 2007 and the lack of any sources referenced, except for one broken link, I have removed most of the article, excepting the templates, links, introduction, etc. I think it would be good if future editors first found cites for the introductory paragraph and then not add anything without reliable sources. I will add that this article is now a stub. Cornince ( talk) 11:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Well done.
— James Cantor (
talk) 12:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 10:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Sex reassignment surgery (male-to-female) → Surgery for trans women – - We need to avoid using terminology implying that trans women actually were men prior to their period of surgery. Georgia guy ( talk) 20:51, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sex reassignment surgery which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 15:14, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
"Regular application of estrogen into the vagina, for which there are several standard products, may help, but this must be calculated into total estrogen dose."
Can someone provide the source for this line? I think it might be factually incorrect and I'd like permission to remove it.
I'd go as far as saying the whole article should be flagged because it has no sources.
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I don't want to get into an edit war here, but the idea that the body treats a neo-vagina as an open wound is plainly absurd. This is rhetoric used by anti-transgender people to both scare, and delegitimize transgender people.
I'll say that the entire article seems to mostly be out of date with modern surgical practices. The thailand procedures are very common and are not described here.
The vagina will not "close up" if you do not dilate, except in the very early stages of healing (when raw sutures are exposed to each other). Once the initial healing is complete, there is no risk of that. The risk is some loss of depth and loss of flexibility. None of the sources provided state anything otherwise.
Trysha ( talk) 21:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 10:07, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I have no personal or professional stake in this subject, but as 'transgender' issues are increasingly in the news, curiosity brought me to this article. Presumably it will be the first port of call for many others. It therefore seems desirable for the article to provide at least brief coverage of all aspects that are likely to occur to readers, if only in the form of links to other articles. Relevant topics that don't seem to be covered at present include: a) urination. In the standard male anatomy, urine passes through the urethra down the centre of the penis and out through the opening (meatus) at its tip. In the standard female anatomy, the urethra is a separate tube passing outside the vagina, and opening into the vestibule. Urine does not normally pass through the vagina itself. Neither of these arrangements seem to be possible with penile inversion, but I do not see any explanation in the present article of what *does* happen. Is a separate opening created, or is the urethra included with the 'inverted' penis? If the latter, urine presumably flows out through the 'vagina'. If so, there must be practical issues of hygiene etc. b) semen. In the standard male anatomy, seminal fluid is produced mainly by the seminal vesicles, stored in the prostate gland, and mixed with spermatozoa from the testicles at the time of ejaculation. (Fluid is also produced by Cowper's glands at and before ejaculation.) Ejaculation itself involves contraction of muscles around the relevant ducts. Obviously in the case of male-female surgery the testes are removed, so no spermatozoa are produced, but it isn't clear what happens to the rest of the apparatus, or to its functions. According to a comment on this Talk page, the prostate gland is usually retained, and I guess the same would apply to the other components - or are they removed to make space for the 'vagina'? c) ejaculation. Assuming that the prostate and other glands are retained, seminal fluid will still be produced, unless perhaps production is suppressed by female hormones. If there is orgasm, however induced (including 'wet dreams'), the seminal fluid is presumably released through the constructed 'vagina'. The present article may not be the place for detailed explanations, but I think these obvious major issues should at least be mentioned. 2A00:23C8:7906:1301:AC7E:C960:BA3F:BB94 ( talk) 15:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Prior to my changes, this article had many statements with no source attached, or sources that contradicted what was written in the article. One example of this is "Over time, dilation is required less often, but it may be required indefinitely in some cases." The citation for this was ". . . Dilation is required less often over time, but it may be recommended indefinitely.". As well, many of the unsourced statements were phrased in ways that could make gender-affirming surgery seem like haphazard medicine or inherently prone to poor outcomes, rather than a well-established medical practice no more or less prone to complications than any other practice:
"Surgeon's requirements, procedures, and recommendations vary enormously in the days before and after, and the months following these procedures." This statement is true, but it also is true for any other type of medical procedure. Its inclusion in tandem with other statements made implies gender-affirming care in particular is unorganised and unprofessional, which is a politically loaded and factually incorrect line of thinking frequently used to create legislation that denies trans people healthcare they need. I'm not saying anyone had bad intentions in writing this, but I don't think it needs to be here.
"Since plastic surgery involves skin, it is never an exact procedure." Again, while this is true, it isn't appropriate to include here.
"Supporters of colovaginoplasty state that this method is better than use of skin grafts for the reason that colon is already mucosal, whereas skin is not. Lubrication is needed when having sex and occasional douching is advised so that bacteria do not start to grow and give off odors." Not only does this statement present bowel vaginoplasty as needing "supporters" rather than being an established part of gender-affirming healthcare, it presents uncited information that makes bowel vaginoplasty out to be inferior or as making one "dirty" as fact. I found no references to foul smells as an outcome of bowel vaginoplasty during the research for the edits I've made so far. Perhaps I'll find the source for a statement like this as my research continues, but so far I haven't found it.
Many of the statements made originally, both unsourced and sourced with contradictory information, paint a strong picture of transfeminine genital surgery as being inherently prone to poor outcomes and resulting in a lifetime of discomfort at the best of times. As well, the structure of it is confusing at times. These issues are not present in the FtM equivalent of this page, so I am trying to bring this page up to that standard. Oystersauce99 ( talk) 01:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
@ WanderingWanda and Sideswipe9th: It seems Ingenuity already moved this article and Gender-affirming surgery (female-to-male) while closing the move to Gender-affirming surgery, although they missed out Sex reassignment therapy (not sure why) and they didn't move them to the titles were suggested (ie. Feminizing surgery and Masculinizing surgery). – Scyrme ( talk) 18:53, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Are any editors in favour of merging the subtopic 'History' with the homonymous subtopic in vaginoplasty? After all, the current section only focuses on vaginoplasty. As it doesn't seem feasible to write an entire history section on all gender-affirming surgeries, it may be a better idea to add a history section to the pages of the respective procedures and leave the rest of the page as it is. Cixous ( talk) 19:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)