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I've deleted the url of the club "Die Busche" because it's a wrong link.
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dover Castle. Johnleemk | Talk 14:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved this to talk:
""The Gay Bar" is a local grassroots movement at UC Berkeley that advocates "spending all [their] money at the gay bar" and "taking [you] to a gay bar" as well as " sodomy."
Jokestress 19:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't that just another name for an LGB society ? horseboy 17:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I've added slightly to the introduction and rewritten the "Characteristics" section (and renamed it). My aim was to broaden the definition of a gay bar and to point out that the variations pretty much mirror the variations of "straight" bars. I've also tried to soften the emphasis on music and beef up the information about sex on the premises venues. I've also tidied up various bits and pieces and hopefully made the article more comprehensive.
I still think that the list of "notable gay nighclubs" is next to useless. It's very North American centred. I would have thought that a Wikipedia link should be a minimum requirement for inclusion here.
I also think that the list of Gay DJs is superfluous and again suggests that gay bars are all about music. Again, I'd have thought that Wikipedia links should be a minimum requirement, although I don't really see the point of this list at all.
-- Wastekiller 15:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Some of the clubs listed seem notable. Others seem more like ads. My preference would be to make all of them internal, Wikipedia links, and thus let the normal rules of WP notability sort them out. Any objections or concerns? Obviously, this would involve my doing some research to dig up enough detail to make each external link into an article. - Harmil 02:16, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
This list really need to be trimmed or removed. Please read WP:NOT, which is the relevant policy. Particularly, WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory. If a list of "notable" gay bars is to be retained, it should not contain external links and should link only the bars that have some ongoing historical relevance to the topic in general. The current list is far from that. I would support removing the list and adding inline prose references to notables establishments in the "History" section. As it stands, the section is a magnet for inappropriate commercial links (per WP:EL). Likewise, the list of Gay DJs probably doesn't belong in this article, or at least should only contain those DJs with articles where their notability can be explained. Mike Dillon 22:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
maybe there should be page showing notable gay bars by country, such as first gay bar etc. its a little less biased - having just a few here seems to suggest these are pre-eminent maybe? like, some gay bars are famous in their own countries, but maybe not as much outside of their own countries. for example ireland's oldest gay bar/club, the george, is a household name in ireland (for good and bad reasons) because it has been open for so long, and in a country with a huge catholic majority (homosexuality only decriminalised in 1993!). having said that it probably isn't well know outside of ireland (i dunno, is it?). anyway just my two cents. 89.100.207.169 15:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)bmackers
I've trimmed the list down a little, and removed some utterly non-notable stuff. A lot more needs removing, however. The list should include only notable bars, so there should be some explanation as to the venue's notability. Eg: Stonewall Inn? Yes, because it was the site of the Stonewall Riots. Random bar that hosts a popular gay night? No. Exploding Boy 18:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Added The Coleherne and the Black Cap - London pubs with a lot of history, preserved as part of LGBT history in wikipedia. Paul Jeffrey Thompson 18:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjthompso ( talk • contribs)
Added Royal Vauxhall Tavern since its South London's oldest surviving gay venue. >VinnY< — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.34.220 ( talk) 17:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I removed this link because it no longer leads to the original article. Rather, it takes you to an anti-spyware software sales page. Greenmnm69 05:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted the whole section on the "disappearance" of gay bars; it's largely POV, and is sourced only to the Entrepreneur article, whose source in turn is an Orlando Sentinel article specifically about the Orlando, Florida area. It's an interesting point, and I suspect there is some truth in it, but we need to be better-sourced and less sweeping with a major assertion like that.
The Sentinel article can be found here (and doubtless on the newspaper's own site too): http://www.conxity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=203
By the way, I managed to open the Entrepreneur article safely in Safari, if anyone's interested in reading it. Barnabypage ( talk) 11:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how, but I don't really believe the Entrepreneur article. It pretty much portrays a hypothetical situation. The way it's written, right there in Paragraph 1 of this entry, says"the relevance of gay bars has diminished." This is based on an estimation, a projection, by Entrepreneur almost 3 years ago. I challenge their statement. Even if it is remotely nearing truth, I don't believe it belongs up there in Paragraph 1. Perhaps put a "Controversies" section down on the main page somewhere and talk about the forced closings, raids, and current challenges due to decreased patronage due to social media challenges, etc. My $0.02, but I hope some poor kid who's just coming out doesn't read that and think "Oh well, I can just stay indoors and interact with people online via social media instead of meet them for realsies in social situations". Ohnonotagain416 ( talk) 17:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
As a brief follow-up to what I just said, I noticed the list of bars at the bottom that read (closed) - well that's all fine but we don't mention that new bars opened. Gay businesses are always opening and closing. One bar goes, another pops up across the street. Ohnonotagain416 ( talk) 17:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I added a note to File:Barzilay Venue in Tel Aviv Israel.jpg saying Appearing in this image in no way acknowledges any sexual orientation and have been reverted several times by User:Emerson7. Due to several recent gay suicides from harassment, I feel this note is very important so we can try and prevent more suicides, as by not implying that the men in this image are gay/bisexual. No one in this image gave Wikipedia permission to show them in a gay bar...yes I know we don't need permission, and they are in a public place, but in this situation I feel privacy and safety should outweigh anything else. Thoughts? CTJF83 chat 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I usually visit Grand Cafe Odeon in Zurich and its clear that Odeon is not a Gay Bar. Theres no reference about Odeon was ever used as Gays or lesbians of Zurich.-- Patagonian ( talk) 18:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I usually visit Odeon since 1990 and i have never heard about any kind of gay or lesbian act in the Cafe. emerson7, your arguement is false.-- Patagonian ( talk) 12:23, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/europe/switzerland/zurich/49221/cafabar-odaon/restaurant-detail.html -- В и к и T 16:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
§ Modern era says
But I see claims for the Candlelight Lounge, later renamed Candle Bar (emphasis added):
I'm not going to try to adjudicate between these. Instead, I'm posting a pointer on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies, under Oldest gay bar in NYC?.
To discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. Thnidu ( talk) 02:24, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Cafe Odeon is not listed under notable gay bars. There is no context for its inclusion in the section. If it can be shown to have some relevance to the section and/or article, please add context to the caption. 108.86.234.251 ( talk) 22:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
@ Another Believer: -- you've marked this as 1969 thru 2004? Didn't it open in 1964 and become a gay bar in 1997? valereee ( talk) 18:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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After the Lexington Bar, a lesbian bar in the Mission District of San Francisco, closed in 2014, a lot of articles came out from LGBT sources discussing the fact that lesbian bars are disappearing across the U.S. (possibly due to financial issues). As such it seems important to have a list of bars that specifically cater to lesbians on this page, since there are so few of them. What do you all think of adding a section under "Gay bars" that says "Lesbian bars" so that we can keep track of those? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobonkersnow ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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I've deleted the url of the club "Die Busche" because it's a wrong link.
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dover Castle. Johnleemk | Talk 14:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved this to talk:
""The Gay Bar" is a local grassroots movement at UC Berkeley that advocates "spending all [their] money at the gay bar" and "taking [you] to a gay bar" as well as " sodomy."
Jokestress 19:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't that just another name for an LGB society ? horseboy 17:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I've added slightly to the introduction and rewritten the "Characteristics" section (and renamed it). My aim was to broaden the definition of a gay bar and to point out that the variations pretty much mirror the variations of "straight" bars. I've also tried to soften the emphasis on music and beef up the information about sex on the premises venues. I've also tidied up various bits and pieces and hopefully made the article more comprehensive.
I still think that the list of "notable gay nighclubs" is next to useless. It's very North American centred. I would have thought that a Wikipedia link should be a minimum requirement for inclusion here.
I also think that the list of Gay DJs is superfluous and again suggests that gay bars are all about music. Again, I'd have thought that Wikipedia links should be a minimum requirement, although I don't really see the point of this list at all.
-- Wastekiller 15:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Some of the clubs listed seem notable. Others seem more like ads. My preference would be to make all of them internal, Wikipedia links, and thus let the normal rules of WP notability sort them out. Any objections or concerns? Obviously, this would involve my doing some research to dig up enough detail to make each external link into an article. - Harmil 02:16, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
This list really need to be trimmed or removed. Please read WP:NOT, which is the relevant policy. Particularly, WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory. If a list of "notable" gay bars is to be retained, it should not contain external links and should link only the bars that have some ongoing historical relevance to the topic in general. The current list is far from that. I would support removing the list and adding inline prose references to notables establishments in the "History" section. As it stands, the section is a magnet for inappropriate commercial links (per WP:EL). Likewise, the list of Gay DJs probably doesn't belong in this article, or at least should only contain those DJs with articles where their notability can be explained. Mike Dillon 22:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
maybe there should be page showing notable gay bars by country, such as first gay bar etc. its a little less biased - having just a few here seems to suggest these are pre-eminent maybe? like, some gay bars are famous in their own countries, but maybe not as much outside of their own countries. for example ireland's oldest gay bar/club, the george, is a household name in ireland (for good and bad reasons) because it has been open for so long, and in a country with a huge catholic majority (homosexuality only decriminalised in 1993!). having said that it probably isn't well know outside of ireland (i dunno, is it?). anyway just my two cents. 89.100.207.169 15:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)bmackers
I've trimmed the list down a little, and removed some utterly non-notable stuff. A lot more needs removing, however. The list should include only notable bars, so there should be some explanation as to the venue's notability. Eg: Stonewall Inn? Yes, because it was the site of the Stonewall Riots. Random bar that hosts a popular gay night? No. Exploding Boy 18:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Added The Coleherne and the Black Cap - London pubs with a lot of history, preserved as part of LGBT history in wikipedia. Paul Jeffrey Thompson 18:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pjthompso ( talk • contribs)
Added Royal Vauxhall Tavern since its South London's oldest surviving gay venue. >VinnY< — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.34.220 ( talk) 17:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I removed this link because it no longer leads to the original article. Rather, it takes you to an anti-spyware software sales page. Greenmnm69 05:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted the whole section on the "disappearance" of gay bars; it's largely POV, and is sourced only to the Entrepreneur article, whose source in turn is an Orlando Sentinel article specifically about the Orlando, Florida area. It's an interesting point, and I suspect there is some truth in it, but we need to be better-sourced and less sweeping with a major assertion like that.
The Sentinel article can be found here (and doubtless on the newspaper's own site too): http://www.conxity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=203
By the way, I managed to open the Entrepreneur article safely in Safari, if anyone's interested in reading it. Barnabypage ( talk) 11:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how, but I don't really believe the Entrepreneur article. It pretty much portrays a hypothetical situation. The way it's written, right there in Paragraph 1 of this entry, says"the relevance of gay bars has diminished." This is based on an estimation, a projection, by Entrepreneur almost 3 years ago. I challenge their statement. Even if it is remotely nearing truth, I don't believe it belongs up there in Paragraph 1. Perhaps put a "Controversies" section down on the main page somewhere and talk about the forced closings, raids, and current challenges due to decreased patronage due to social media challenges, etc. My $0.02, but I hope some poor kid who's just coming out doesn't read that and think "Oh well, I can just stay indoors and interact with people online via social media instead of meet them for realsies in social situations". Ohnonotagain416 ( talk) 17:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
As a brief follow-up to what I just said, I noticed the list of bars at the bottom that read (closed) - well that's all fine but we don't mention that new bars opened. Gay businesses are always opening and closing. One bar goes, another pops up across the street. Ohnonotagain416 ( talk) 17:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I added a note to File:Barzilay Venue in Tel Aviv Israel.jpg saying Appearing in this image in no way acknowledges any sexual orientation and have been reverted several times by User:Emerson7. Due to several recent gay suicides from harassment, I feel this note is very important so we can try and prevent more suicides, as by not implying that the men in this image are gay/bisexual. No one in this image gave Wikipedia permission to show them in a gay bar...yes I know we don't need permission, and they are in a public place, but in this situation I feel privacy and safety should outweigh anything else. Thoughts? CTJF83 chat 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
I usually visit Grand Cafe Odeon in Zurich and its clear that Odeon is not a Gay Bar. Theres no reference about Odeon was ever used as Gays or lesbians of Zurich.-- Patagonian ( talk) 18:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
I usually visit Odeon since 1990 and i have never heard about any kind of gay or lesbian act in the Cafe. emerson7, your arguement is false.-- Patagonian ( talk) 12:23, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/europe/switzerland/zurich/49221/cafabar-odaon/restaurant-detail.html -- В и к и T 16:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
§ Modern era says
But I see claims for the Candlelight Lounge, later renamed Candle Bar (emphasis added):
I'm not going to try to adjudicate between these. Instead, I'm posting a pointer on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies, under Oldest gay bar in NYC?.
To discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. Thnidu ( talk) 02:24, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Cafe Odeon is not listed under notable gay bars. There is no context for its inclusion in the section. If it can be shown to have some relevance to the section and/or article, please add context to the caption. 108.86.234.251 ( talk) 22:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
@ Another Believer: -- you've marked this as 1969 thru 2004? Didn't it open in 1964 and become a gay bar in 1997? valereee ( talk) 18:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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After the Lexington Bar, a lesbian bar in the Mission District of San Francisco, closed in 2014, a lot of articles came out from LGBT sources discussing the fact that lesbian bars are disappearing across the U.S. (possibly due to financial issues). As such it seems important to have a list of bars that specifically cater to lesbians on this page, since there are so few of them. What do you all think of adding a section under "Gay bars" that says "Lesbian bars" so that we can keep track of those? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobonkersnow ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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This article discussed drag bars as one kind of LGBT bar but a lot of cross-dressers would deny that they are transgender (T) or any of the other letters. The definition should therefore be "LGBT or transvestite" to avoid making that implication. Username for attention ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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