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Ovid's realistic poetic details were being presented in this entry as images thought to represent the attitude of the masses towards same-sex love even in Roman times. This isn't very good: it smacks of modern disapproval and wishful thinking. Anyone want to put it back? Wetman 01:26, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
to the External links subsection. It will be up to Haiduc to give a brief report on the article, without personal spin. Wikipedia's image caption can return to its more mainstream content. That's what I suggest? Fair enough for anyone. -- Wetman 03:42, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Please reference all analysis or criticisms of these works that describe them as "critical of" anything. Unless a good reference can be found, all works of art should simply be described as the artist's depiction of a shared fable. In particular, unless there is very good reason, please do not burden the Rembrandt image with commentary about how some people view it. Just describe what it is and when it was produced, and leave any well-referenced analysis to the body text of the relevant section. -- Sj
The section in the text about Hera's hate for Ganymede seems to be incorrect.
[Her hate of him was applied by mythographers to account for her abandoning the Trojans, an otherwise inaccountable shift in the alliances of the Trojan War, for the Troad was part of the homeland of the Great Goddess, of whom Hera was the main Olympian representative.]
The reason for the war was the decision of Paris in the famous contest between goddesses Hera, Athene and Aphrodite. Hera was sure to take the other side in the war, as she wasn't the choice of Paris. SYS64738 02:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed the disclaimer about the use of the word "myth" to describe the tale of Ganymede. I don't know how many other pages it appears on, but it does not seem as if it is appropriate for an encyclopedia, rather being an excess of political correctness. Would anyone be wildly angered if I removed it? (And, if not, could someone assist me in finding other pages where it has been placed?) — Cuivi é nen 03:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
This article originally used the term homosexual "In poetry, Ganymede was a symbol for the ideally beautiful youth and also for homosexual love, sometimes contrasted with Helen of Troy in the role of heterosexuality." It was later changed to "pederastic love". While Ganymede may indeed be used as a symbol of pederastic love, Ganymede is indeed a symbol of intense attraction between men. In the passage above, Ganymede is being compared to Helen of Troy who many men lusted over. The correlation is to make note of Ganymede being a strong symbol of homosexuality, as he is. Without this passage, the article makes note of the pederasty but fails to mention him as an iconic homosexual figure. Particularly since this article is "within the scope of WikiProject LGBT studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT related issues on Wikipedia," I felt it appropriate to revert the passage back to its original wording.-- Mfalber 07:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
This part seems to present a problem:
"All the gods were filled with joy to see the youth, save Hera, Zeus' consort, who despised Ganymede. Her hate of him was applied by mythographers to account for her abandoning the Trojans, an otherwise inaccountable shift in the alliances of the Trojan War, for the Troad was part of the homeland of the Great Goddess, of whom Hera was the main Olympian representative."
Wasn't Hera's abandonment of the Trojans accounted for by her rage after she was spurned in favor of Aphrodite in the Judgment of Paris? Who are these "mythographers" and why hadn't they heard of the Judgment of Paris?
Let's get rid of the sentence starting with the bold text...
The "Homerica" link under "Ancient Sources" directs to a page about a cruise ship. This obviously isn't right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.93.179.195 ( talk) 21:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Didn't anyone notice that the bust actually says "Paris" at the bottom? What makes you say that this guy is Ganymede, not Paris? Paris was certainly a more important character in the story, so it's more likely that the bust was meant to be Paris. ( Huey45 ( talk) 23:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC))
As stated in WP:ERA, there must be discussion and consensus reached on this article's talk page before the date formats are changed. As I cannot see any, which constitutes a flagrant violation of the policy, I move that the date format be reverted from BCE/CE to BC/AD to rectify the violation. Objections and reasons against the reversion are welcome. Dalek ( talk) 11:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
This article still contains remnants of the pederastic agenda associated with a banned editor (who may or may not be responsible for all of it). I've tried to fix some things, but it really is quite a mess. It isn't so much that it's wrong as that the POV stands in the way of a more structured, capacious approach. It's also sorely lacking in sources. Cynwolfe ( talk) 21:19, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I have sources to support the fact that, in some extensions of Greek mythology, Ganymedes/Ganymede, after being taken up to Mount Olympus to serve Zeus, was worshiped as a god of rain and the rain cloud. Should I just go ahead and add it? I feel like that is also a significant portion f his mythology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RandyS0725 ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Puzzled as to how Hyginus can suggest both Erichthonius and Assaracus as parents, since they are both male. But I am sure there are stranger things in Greek mythology, and given Ganymede's association with pederasty, perhaps it appropriate. Or is it just that Hyginus misplaced his writers guide to Greek mythology and couldn't keep his backstory straight between different fabulae. Solipsist ( talk) 09:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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Ovid's realistic poetic details were being presented in this entry as images thought to represent the attitude of the masses towards same-sex love even in Roman times. This isn't very good: it smacks of modern disapproval and wishful thinking. Anyone want to put it back? Wetman 01:26, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
to the External links subsection. It will be up to Haiduc to give a brief report on the article, without personal spin. Wikipedia's image caption can return to its more mainstream content. That's what I suggest? Fair enough for anyone. -- Wetman 03:42, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Please reference all analysis or criticisms of these works that describe them as "critical of" anything. Unless a good reference can be found, all works of art should simply be described as the artist's depiction of a shared fable. In particular, unless there is very good reason, please do not burden the Rembrandt image with commentary about how some people view it. Just describe what it is and when it was produced, and leave any well-referenced analysis to the body text of the relevant section. -- Sj
The section in the text about Hera's hate for Ganymede seems to be incorrect.
[Her hate of him was applied by mythographers to account for her abandoning the Trojans, an otherwise inaccountable shift in the alliances of the Trojan War, for the Troad was part of the homeland of the Great Goddess, of whom Hera was the main Olympian representative.]
The reason for the war was the decision of Paris in the famous contest between goddesses Hera, Athene and Aphrodite. Hera was sure to take the other side in the war, as she wasn't the choice of Paris. SYS64738 02:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed the disclaimer about the use of the word "myth" to describe the tale of Ganymede. I don't know how many other pages it appears on, but it does not seem as if it is appropriate for an encyclopedia, rather being an excess of political correctness. Would anyone be wildly angered if I removed it? (And, if not, could someone assist me in finding other pages where it has been placed?) — Cuivi é nen 03:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
This article originally used the term homosexual "In poetry, Ganymede was a symbol for the ideally beautiful youth and also for homosexual love, sometimes contrasted with Helen of Troy in the role of heterosexuality." It was later changed to "pederastic love". While Ganymede may indeed be used as a symbol of pederastic love, Ganymede is indeed a symbol of intense attraction between men. In the passage above, Ganymede is being compared to Helen of Troy who many men lusted over. The correlation is to make note of Ganymede being a strong symbol of homosexuality, as he is. Without this passage, the article makes note of the pederasty but fails to mention him as an iconic homosexual figure. Particularly since this article is "within the scope of WikiProject LGBT studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT related issues on Wikipedia," I felt it appropriate to revert the passage back to its original wording.-- Mfalber 07:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
This part seems to present a problem:
"All the gods were filled with joy to see the youth, save Hera, Zeus' consort, who despised Ganymede. Her hate of him was applied by mythographers to account for her abandoning the Trojans, an otherwise inaccountable shift in the alliances of the Trojan War, for the Troad was part of the homeland of the Great Goddess, of whom Hera was the main Olympian representative."
Wasn't Hera's abandonment of the Trojans accounted for by her rage after she was spurned in favor of Aphrodite in the Judgment of Paris? Who are these "mythographers" and why hadn't they heard of the Judgment of Paris?
Let's get rid of the sentence starting with the bold text...
The "Homerica" link under "Ancient Sources" directs to a page about a cruise ship. This obviously isn't right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.93.179.195 ( talk) 21:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Didn't anyone notice that the bust actually says "Paris" at the bottom? What makes you say that this guy is Ganymede, not Paris? Paris was certainly a more important character in the story, so it's more likely that the bust was meant to be Paris. ( Huey45 ( talk) 23:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC))
As stated in WP:ERA, there must be discussion and consensus reached on this article's talk page before the date formats are changed. As I cannot see any, which constitutes a flagrant violation of the policy, I move that the date format be reverted from BCE/CE to BC/AD to rectify the violation. Objections and reasons against the reversion are welcome. Dalek ( talk) 11:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
This article still contains remnants of the pederastic agenda associated with a banned editor (who may or may not be responsible for all of it). I've tried to fix some things, but it really is quite a mess. It isn't so much that it's wrong as that the POV stands in the way of a more structured, capacious approach. It's also sorely lacking in sources. Cynwolfe ( talk) 21:19, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I have sources to support the fact that, in some extensions of Greek mythology, Ganymedes/Ganymede, after being taken up to Mount Olympus to serve Zeus, was worshiped as a god of rain and the rain cloud. Should I just go ahead and add it? I feel like that is also a significant portion f his mythology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RandyS0725 ( talk • contribs) 17:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Puzzled as to how Hyginus can suggest both Erichthonius and Assaracus as parents, since they are both male. But I am sure there are stranger things in Greek mythology, and given Ganymede's association with pederasty, perhaps it appropriate. Or is it just that Hyginus misplaced his writers guide to Greek mythology and couldn't keep his backstory straight between different fabulae. Solipsist ( talk) 09:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC)