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I removed the reference to the film "300" as the horse this article is referring to is not a Friesian, but a Cheval Canadien. They are very similar in appearance, but that film being shot in Canada makes it quite unlikely the horse is a Friesian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifelike001 ( talk • contribs) 07:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I've just moved "Friesian horse" to "Frisian horse", since thats the right spelling. Friesian, = wrong. -The Bold Guy- 10:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
No, they aren't! My daughter rides horses herself, and she's kinda good at it. So I don't think horsepeople are strange. I, myself, love to watch horses (they are tryly magnificant animals), but sadly, I do not know much about them! -The Bold Guy- 11:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
FHANA is not to be trusted on this issue, they use "Friesian" when referring to the sjees, and THAT is wrong. ThW5 ( talk) 09:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
www.kfps.nl the official registry of this Dutch horse... in Holland spells it Friesian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BC4E:A800:AC32:3E00:EAFB:F609 ( talk) 14:01, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
I have to agree with Bold Guy. Correct English to denote people from Friesland and for denoting the breed of horses would be 'Frisian(s)'. The breed originated in Friesland (or 'Frisia' so you will). I note that some internet sites are using 'Friesian' or 'Friezian' in their spelling but not only does that seem wrong, you can also come to the conclusion that they got their way of spelling from the KFPS site or this Wikipedia page.... To eliminate any discussion I conclude that denoting a horse from Friesland as 'Friesian' (or US spelling: 'Friezian') is not correct English. People from Friesland and the horse breed from Friesland should be called 'Frisians' in the UK and 'Frizians' in the US. Also note that the KFPS website is Dutch/Frisian. They don't have English as their mother tongue.. They probably had no idea how to write Friezen (Frisians) in proper English. I suggest that at least this Wikipedia page should be adjusted accordingly, to comply with standard English spelling. SaksischRos ( talk) 07:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
There is an error on the description of the Friesian Horse.
In the film "LadyHawke", the Name of the horse is not 'Othello', but "Goliath".
Just a trivia note!
Thanks!
Colte
The name of the equine actor was Othello, not the character he played 09:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThW5 ( talk • contribs)
"In the 1800s the Friesian was bred to be lighter and faster for trotting, however this led to what some owners and breeders regarded as inferior stock, so a movement to return to pureblood stock took place by the end of the century." What is the source for that? The trotter WAS somewhat lighter than the typical horse from the LATER farm period, but as far as I know there is NO indication that the horses were ever bred on purpose FOR their trotting qualities, be it in bodytype or otherwise.-- ThW5 ( talk) 23:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Can we find a pic for a chestnut Friesian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.110.74 ( talk) 02:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
new article] :"Megaesophagus, a chronic dilation of the esophagus in conjunction with a lack of normal tone or strength, appears to occur at an atypically high rate in Friesian horses, according to a report in the proceedings from the 10th International Congress of the World Equine Veterinary Association. The report authors suggested that this might be considered a hereditary problem in the breed."
Needs to go into the article, just as we list genetic difficulties for other breeds and just as the dog breed articles list the genetic problems there. Montanabw (talk) 19:50, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
SERIOUS GENETIC FAULTS OF THE PUREBRED FRIESIAN HORSE:
1. Tendency to have sickle hocks
This is a common trait among Friesian horses, not usually seen in the show horse. However, you will see it commonly in breeding farms in The Netherlands, where Friesian horses are in large numbers. Some documentation of this trait with statistics for occurence needs to be researched and included. Sickle hocks are a serious fault in any horse, leading to lameness if the angulation of the hock is severe.
2. Tendency to have a short lifespan
This is a peculiar trait of the purebred Friesian horse. Typical lifespan is 16 years, compared to 25 - 30 years for other horse breeds. Friesian breeders tend not to advertize this trait because it make a prospective buyer think twice before investing money into a horse with a premature death rate. It takes years to train a dressage horse, the most common use for Friesian show horses. Starting between 2 - 3 years old (x-ray to determine when the growth plates in the knees have closed), a fully trained Prix St. George dressage horse will be 8 - 10 years old, with Grand Prix horses 9 - 12 years old. Only the finest athletes under the guidance of a skilled rider will reach the Grand Prix level. To have such a horse expire at the young age of 16 is a risk many equestrians would choose to avoid. More research and bibliographical sources are required to write a paragraph about this devastating genetic fault in the Friesian Horse.
3. Color variation - not true black, excess white hairs
There are many purebred Friesian horses in The Netherlands which have abberations of color not acceptable to a star ranking for a breeding horse. Such abberations include black bay instead of true black, white hairs on the body, for example, under the chin, snip on the nose, small patches on the fetlocks just above the hooves, etc. Some horse farms in The Netherlands may have been faulted for applying artificial dyes to cover such faults when presenting horses for sale. More research is required via horse inspections by qualified Dutch horse inspectors to gather statistics of color abberations and determine if certain bloodlines have a higher rate than the breed average.
Note: I have raised and trained purebred horses for over 20 years and viewed hundreds of Frieisan Horses from The Netherlands. I will be completing a more in-depth study in September - November 2014 and will report back to Wikipedia with my findings.
Personal Opinion: The conformation of the Friesian Horse, identifying individuals with no leg faults who can consistently produce correct offspring, and determining whether planned breedings can lengthen the lifespan of the average Friesian Horse should take precedence over color considerations. The fault of white hairs other than the forehead is penalized too heavily if the horse possesses much desired superior traits. Chestnut is a recessive gene and should not be penalized. These are my opinions with the view that the breed needs improvement to overcome serious genetic faults.
References: Data on Friesian Horse Genetic Defects and Serious Health Problems is an ongoing study. I will be adding more references as new studies become available. [1]
Another interesting horse breed with a family connection (my mum) for me, but I'm no expert, far from it, so just a few thoughts, and leaving the rest to the experts.
The lead seems a bit "soft". It should more completely summarize what's in the article.
There seems to be a lack of sources in general. I haven't looked at the sources themselves to know if the sources used are good RS, I'll take a look and add a cmt here.
What about delineating breed characteristics, registry, and judging/competing, although I realize they are interconnected. Colour for example is more diverse than is allowed in a show situation? ( Littleolive oil ( talk) 19:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC))
Some minor cosmetic changes by Hydrargyrum were recently undone here. I was wondering why? The infobox is indeed {{ Infobox horse breed}}, while "Infobox Horse" is a redirect; the disambiguation page is indeed at Frisian, not at Frisian (disambiguation); and so on. Overall, they were an improvement, I think; was the revert perhaps over-hasty?
I notice that the language variety of this article was clearly established with this edit in 2004, and seems to have been incompletely migrated to another over the course of the years; unless there are good reasons not to, I intend to restore the original variety per WP:ENGVAR. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 21:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted the thumbnail which does not serve the purpose of a close-up. With a close-up we should be able to scrutinize closely, to see more. That can't happen when the image is too small.( Littleolive oil ( talk) 00:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC))
|thumb
parameter applied) rather than at full or a specified size, and the image is portrait-oriented, the proper procedure is to apply the upright parameter (|upright
) so that the Wiki syntax knows that the image is taller than it is wide, and will automatically adjust for this depending on the user's display (desktop vs. mobile) and preferences (users can adjust their default thumbnail size in Preferences, under "Appearance"). Without |upright
, the Wiki syntax incorrectly interprets the image's width as greater than its height, which mucks up how it displays on different devices and with different user preferences. If your desire is to show greater detail via a larger display size, you can use a scaling factor as described at
WP:THUMBSIZE (note that is a policy page;
Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Thumbnail sizes elaborates further). In this case I do not see the a need to upscale, as neither the image caption nor any text in the section adjacent to the image describes anything about the characteristics of the horse's head, so displaying the image at an increased size does not increase a reader's understanding. In any case, this is an upright image and should therefore use |upright
for correct syntax. --
IllaZilla (
talk) 06:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, it's moot here because we wound up rewriting the whole article. If you want to be taken seriously in the future, do something useful. Montanabw (talk) 00:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Really cute pic:
Do we need this anywhere? Maybe swap out the infobox pic since this is a left-side photo and you can see the conformation better? (It may have upright pasterns, but that might just be my eyes, or the three/quarter angle of the pic..) (It may also not have eyes, but that could just be the hair...😉) White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Article needs to be updated on the genetic conditions affecting the breed. Here is an article announcing two genetic tests now available. Montanabw (talk) 23:03, 4 May 2017 (UTC): http://www.thehorse.com/articles/39120/friesian-dwarfism-hydrocephaly-genetic-tests-available
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Some of the uncited history in the article is covered in Elwyn Hartley Edwards' The Encyclopedia of the Horse (1994) which I picked up at the library. Is this an appropriate reliable source to use for citations?
I was able to find out that Bouma was a book published for the centennial of the KFPS organization. I don't have a copy, but I was able to find it for sale in Dutch online book stores, complete with photographs of the book. So I changed the citation to a book with as much info as I could find.
I have been unable to identify what is Boer's Judging of the Friesian Horse. Any clues?
▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
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I removed the reference to the film "300" as the horse this article is referring to is not a Friesian, but a Cheval Canadien. They are very similar in appearance, but that film being shot in Canada makes it quite unlikely the horse is a Friesian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifelike001 ( talk • contribs) 07:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I've just moved "Friesian horse" to "Frisian horse", since thats the right spelling. Friesian, = wrong. -The Bold Guy- 10:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
No, they aren't! My daughter rides horses herself, and she's kinda good at it. So I don't think horsepeople are strange. I, myself, love to watch horses (they are tryly magnificant animals), but sadly, I do not know much about them! -The Bold Guy- 11:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
FHANA is not to be trusted on this issue, they use "Friesian" when referring to the sjees, and THAT is wrong. ThW5 ( talk) 09:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
www.kfps.nl the official registry of this Dutch horse... in Holland spells it Friesian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BC4E:A800:AC32:3E00:EAFB:F609 ( talk) 14:01, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
I have to agree with Bold Guy. Correct English to denote people from Friesland and for denoting the breed of horses would be 'Frisian(s)'. The breed originated in Friesland (or 'Frisia' so you will). I note that some internet sites are using 'Friesian' or 'Friezian' in their spelling but not only does that seem wrong, you can also come to the conclusion that they got their way of spelling from the KFPS site or this Wikipedia page.... To eliminate any discussion I conclude that denoting a horse from Friesland as 'Friesian' (or US spelling: 'Friezian') is not correct English. People from Friesland and the horse breed from Friesland should be called 'Frisians' in the UK and 'Frizians' in the US. Also note that the KFPS website is Dutch/Frisian. They don't have English as their mother tongue.. They probably had no idea how to write Friezen (Frisians) in proper English. I suggest that at least this Wikipedia page should be adjusted accordingly, to comply with standard English spelling. SaksischRos ( talk) 07:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
There is an error on the description of the Friesian Horse.
In the film "LadyHawke", the Name of the horse is not 'Othello', but "Goliath".
Just a trivia note!
Thanks!
Colte
The name of the equine actor was Othello, not the character he played 09:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThW5 ( talk • contribs)
"In the 1800s the Friesian was bred to be lighter and faster for trotting, however this led to what some owners and breeders regarded as inferior stock, so a movement to return to pureblood stock took place by the end of the century." What is the source for that? The trotter WAS somewhat lighter than the typical horse from the LATER farm period, but as far as I know there is NO indication that the horses were ever bred on purpose FOR their trotting qualities, be it in bodytype or otherwise.-- ThW5 ( talk) 23:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Can we find a pic for a chestnut Friesian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.110.74 ( talk) 02:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
new article] :"Megaesophagus, a chronic dilation of the esophagus in conjunction with a lack of normal tone or strength, appears to occur at an atypically high rate in Friesian horses, according to a report in the proceedings from the 10th International Congress of the World Equine Veterinary Association. The report authors suggested that this might be considered a hereditary problem in the breed."
Needs to go into the article, just as we list genetic difficulties for other breeds and just as the dog breed articles list the genetic problems there. Montanabw (talk) 19:50, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
SERIOUS GENETIC FAULTS OF THE PUREBRED FRIESIAN HORSE:
1. Tendency to have sickle hocks
This is a common trait among Friesian horses, not usually seen in the show horse. However, you will see it commonly in breeding farms in The Netherlands, where Friesian horses are in large numbers. Some documentation of this trait with statistics for occurence needs to be researched and included. Sickle hocks are a serious fault in any horse, leading to lameness if the angulation of the hock is severe.
2. Tendency to have a short lifespan
This is a peculiar trait of the purebred Friesian horse. Typical lifespan is 16 years, compared to 25 - 30 years for other horse breeds. Friesian breeders tend not to advertize this trait because it make a prospective buyer think twice before investing money into a horse with a premature death rate. It takes years to train a dressage horse, the most common use for Friesian show horses. Starting between 2 - 3 years old (x-ray to determine when the growth plates in the knees have closed), a fully trained Prix St. George dressage horse will be 8 - 10 years old, with Grand Prix horses 9 - 12 years old. Only the finest athletes under the guidance of a skilled rider will reach the Grand Prix level. To have such a horse expire at the young age of 16 is a risk many equestrians would choose to avoid. More research and bibliographical sources are required to write a paragraph about this devastating genetic fault in the Friesian Horse.
3. Color variation - not true black, excess white hairs
There are many purebred Friesian horses in The Netherlands which have abberations of color not acceptable to a star ranking for a breeding horse. Such abberations include black bay instead of true black, white hairs on the body, for example, under the chin, snip on the nose, small patches on the fetlocks just above the hooves, etc. Some horse farms in The Netherlands may have been faulted for applying artificial dyes to cover such faults when presenting horses for sale. More research is required via horse inspections by qualified Dutch horse inspectors to gather statistics of color abberations and determine if certain bloodlines have a higher rate than the breed average.
Note: I have raised and trained purebred horses for over 20 years and viewed hundreds of Frieisan Horses from The Netherlands. I will be completing a more in-depth study in September - November 2014 and will report back to Wikipedia with my findings.
Personal Opinion: The conformation of the Friesian Horse, identifying individuals with no leg faults who can consistently produce correct offspring, and determining whether planned breedings can lengthen the lifespan of the average Friesian Horse should take precedence over color considerations. The fault of white hairs other than the forehead is penalized too heavily if the horse possesses much desired superior traits. Chestnut is a recessive gene and should not be penalized. These are my opinions with the view that the breed needs improvement to overcome serious genetic faults.
References: Data on Friesian Horse Genetic Defects and Serious Health Problems is an ongoing study. I will be adding more references as new studies become available. [1]
Another interesting horse breed with a family connection (my mum) for me, but I'm no expert, far from it, so just a few thoughts, and leaving the rest to the experts.
The lead seems a bit "soft". It should more completely summarize what's in the article.
There seems to be a lack of sources in general. I haven't looked at the sources themselves to know if the sources used are good RS, I'll take a look and add a cmt here.
What about delineating breed characteristics, registry, and judging/competing, although I realize they are interconnected. Colour for example is more diverse than is allowed in a show situation? ( Littleolive oil ( talk) 19:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC))
Some minor cosmetic changes by Hydrargyrum were recently undone here. I was wondering why? The infobox is indeed {{ Infobox horse breed}}, while "Infobox Horse" is a redirect; the disambiguation page is indeed at Frisian, not at Frisian (disambiguation); and so on. Overall, they were an improvement, I think; was the revert perhaps over-hasty?
I notice that the language variety of this article was clearly established with this edit in 2004, and seems to have been incompletely migrated to another over the course of the years; unless there are good reasons not to, I intend to restore the original variety per WP:ENGVAR. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 21:27, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I've reverted the thumbnail which does not serve the purpose of a close-up. With a close-up we should be able to scrutinize closely, to see more. That can't happen when the image is too small.( Littleolive oil ( talk) 00:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC))
|thumb
parameter applied) rather than at full or a specified size, and the image is portrait-oriented, the proper procedure is to apply the upright parameter (|upright
) so that the Wiki syntax knows that the image is taller than it is wide, and will automatically adjust for this depending on the user's display (desktop vs. mobile) and preferences (users can adjust their default thumbnail size in Preferences, under "Appearance"). Without |upright
, the Wiki syntax incorrectly interprets the image's width as greater than its height, which mucks up how it displays on different devices and with different user preferences. If your desire is to show greater detail via a larger display size, you can use a scaling factor as described at
WP:THUMBSIZE (note that is a policy page;
Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Thumbnail sizes elaborates further). In this case I do not see the a need to upscale, as neither the image caption nor any text in the section adjacent to the image describes anything about the characteristics of the horse's head, so displaying the image at an increased size does not increase a reader's understanding. In any case, this is an upright image and should therefore use |upright
for correct syntax. --
IllaZilla (
talk) 06:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, it's moot here because we wound up rewriting the whole article. If you want to be taken seriously in the future, do something useful. Montanabw (talk) 00:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Really cute pic:
Do we need this anywhere? Maybe swap out the infobox pic since this is a left-side photo and you can see the conformation better? (It may have upright pasterns, but that might just be my eyes, or the three/quarter angle of the pic..) (It may also not have eyes, but that could just be the hair...😉) White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Article needs to be updated on the genetic conditions affecting the breed. Here is an article announcing two genetic tests now available. Montanabw (talk) 23:03, 4 May 2017 (UTC): http://www.thehorse.com/articles/39120/friesian-dwarfism-hydrocephaly-genetic-tests-available
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Some of the uncited history in the article is covered in Elwyn Hartley Edwards' The Encyclopedia of the Horse (1994) which I picked up at the library. Is this an appropriate reliable source to use for citations?
I was able to find out that Bouma was a book published for the centennial of the KFPS organization. I don't have a copy, but I was able to find it for sale in Dutch online book stores, complete with photographs of the book. So I changed the citation to a book with as much info as I could find.
I have been unable to identify what is Boer's Judging of the Friesian Horse. Any clues?
▶ I am Grorp ◀ 08:04, 4 December 2023 (UTC)