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I have requested that my version ( User:George Ho/Frasier Crane) be pasted into this article. This version is awfully bloated with original thoughts and irrelevant analyses about this character. I didn't want to include Lilith at first, but I reluctantly had to do it because she was part of her life. As for speaking languages and education stuff, I wonder if anybody would bother reading about it at all. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:41, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
In response to Frasier's family life, I added scullery maid and prostitute, just in case. -- George Ho ( talk) 18:51, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
![]() | There is no consensus to merge the article, meaning it should not be merged at this time. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC) |
It may seem silly to merge with Lilith Sternin article. However, even when she may be independently notable, there is nothing left to discuss independently about Lilith Sternin other than Frasier's relationship with her and Lilith's friendship with Frasier and motherhood with Frederick, which may be sufficiently mentioned in Frasier. If "merger" is not the answer, why not moving portions to the Lilith article and then renaming Lilith Sternin to Frasier Crane and Lilith Sternin then? After all, Frasier and Lilith are significant to each other. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I concede despite my efforts there is not enough of what I believed was satisfactory third person info I think she should be merged to List of recurring Cheers characters. Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
It's a fair question, but why did you rename/move/archive all the previous edits for the talk page?-- JOJ Hutton 03:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Still, as I said, you can request a page history move if you want, which I don't intend. -- George Ho ( talk) 16:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I have removed Sam and Doctor Ludlow from the list of "Significant Others" - your fiancee's ex-boyfriend does not count as a significant other (and certainly not someone's "bartender", which is how he's listed). I have also changed Diane's description from "ex-fiancee" to "fiancee" - had she and Frasier been engaged before the character's first appearance, that would have been the correct description. Finally I've added Nanette's full name - saying Frasier is married to Nanny G is like saying Danny de Vito was married to Carla Tortelli. Smurfmeister ( talk) 22:18, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
How is Cheers portion excessive? I thought I explained his character adequately. -- George Ho ( talk) 22:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
The intro says Frasier debuts 'as Diane Chambers's love interest to the "Sam and Diane" dynamic.' The wording doesn't make sense. You can't be a love interest to a dynamic. I'm not sure how to reword it while retaining the phrase "Sam and Diane." Any suggestions? Sadiemonster ( talk) 09:19, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
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After more additions about Frasier's birthdate, I wonder how valuable and encyclopedic his birthdate dispute is. Also, I'm concerned whether it's original research and whether readers are interested in his birthdate. I thought about removing it, but I welcome other opinions. -- George Ho ( talk) 01:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The Simpsons was added and improved, but there are disagreements about which version to use. Which version should we use?
My version (tweaked):
An animated version of the character appears in The Simpsons episode " Fear of Flying", although Grammer, who also voices another character Sideshow Bob, did not voiceover the character.
Current version:
An animated version of the character appears in The Simpsons episode " Fear of Flying", although Grammer does not voice the character of Frasier because he already voices another character, Sideshow Bob.
My version avoids risking the verifiability issue. Meanwhile, the current version uses "because" to make "Bob" the reason not to voiceover the character. However, the current version also has verifiability issues, like lack of sources to confirm the reason for Grammer not voicing the character in The Simpsons. Pinging Britmax for thoughts about this. The ping system would not notify IP addresses who did this, so I'll post a message instead. -- George Ho ( talk) 20:19, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
It appears to be caused by this: /info/en/?search=Module_talk:Footnotes#False_error_messages_everywhere WikiWikiHigh ( talk) 01:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Great article but:
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I have requested that my version ( User:George Ho/Frasier Crane) be pasted into this article. This version is awfully bloated with original thoughts and irrelevant analyses about this character. I didn't want to include Lilith at first, but I reluctantly had to do it because she was part of her life. As for speaking languages and education stuff, I wonder if anybody would bother reading about it at all. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:41, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
In response to Frasier's family life, I added scullery maid and prostitute, just in case. -- George Ho ( talk) 18:51, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
![]() | There is no consensus to merge the article, meaning it should not be merged at this time. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC) |
It may seem silly to merge with Lilith Sternin article. However, even when she may be independently notable, there is nothing left to discuss independently about Lilith Sternin other than Frasier's relationship with her and Lilith's friendship with Frasier and motherhood with Frederick, which may be sufficiently mentioned in Frasier. If "merger" is not the answer, why not moving portions to the Lilith article and then renaming Lilith Sternin to Frasier Crane and Lilith Sternin then? After all, Frasier and Lilith are significant to each other. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I concede despite my efforts there is not enough of what I believed was satisfactory third person info I think she should be merged to List of recurring Cheers characters. Dwanyewest ( talk) 11:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
It's a fair question, but why did you rename/move/archive all the previous edits for the talk page?-- JOJ Hutton 03:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Still, as I said, you can request a page history move if you want, which I don't intend. -- George Ho ( talk) 16:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I have removed Sam and Doctor Ludlow from the list of "Significant Others" - your fiancee's ex-boyfriend does not count as a significant other (and certainly not someone's "bartender", which is how he's listed). I have also changed Diane's description from "ex-fiancee" to "fiancee" - had she and Frasier been engaged before the character's first appearance, that would have been the correct description. Finally I've added Nanette's full name - saying Frasier is married to Nanny G is like saying Danny de Vito was married to Carla Tortelli. Smurfmeister ( talk) 22:18, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
How is Cheers portion excessive? I thought I explained his character adequately. -- George Ho ( talk) 22:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
The intro says Frasier debuts 'as Diane Chambers's love interest to the "Sam and Diane" dynamic.' The wording doesn't make sense. You can't be a love interest to a dynamic. I'm not sure how to reword it while retaining the phrase "Sam and Diane." Any suggestions? Sadiemonster ( talk) 09:19, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
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After more additions about Frasier's birthdate, I wonder how valuable and encyclopedic his birthdate dispute is. Also, I'm concerned whether it's original research and whether readers are interested in his birthdate. I thought about removing it, but I welcome other opinions. -- George Ho ( talk) 01:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The Simpsons was added and improved, but there are disagreements about which version to use. Which version should we use?
My version (tweaked):
An animated version of the character appears in The Simpsons episode " Fear of Flying", although Grammer, who also voices another character Sideshow Bob, did not voiceover the character.
Current version:
An animated version of the character appears in The Simpsons episode " Fear of Flying", although Grammer does not voice the character of Frasier because he already voices another character, Sideshow Bob.
My version avoids risking the verifiability issue. Meanwhile, the current version uses "because" to make "Bob" the reason not to voiceover the character. However, the current version also has verifiability issues, like lack of sources to confirm the reason for Grammer not voicing the character in The Simpsons. Pinging Britmax for thoughts about this. The ping system would not notify IP addresses who did this, so I'll post a message instead. -- George Ho ( talk) 20:19, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
It appears to be caused by this: /info/en/?search=Module_talk:Footnotes#False_error_messages_everywhere WikiWikiHigh ( talk) 01:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Great article but: