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I removed the following: "The British Motorway" — written and performed in 1959 to celebrate the partial opening of the M1, Britain's first motorway. The title was also the entire text of the song, after which Flanders said apologetically "Of course, it isn't very long yet". I can find no reference for this (a Google search of +"Flanders and Swann" +"British Motorway" returns no hits. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
El Ingles 16:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I have moved my contribution here because as afr as I knoe ther are no published sources for this. The statement comes from my own knowledge of the BBC's archive. If anyone can provide a reference then I would be grateful... meanwhile I hope that this can remain here bcause this is important background information. jennyd60 ==
A complete film recording copy of this show does still exist in the BBC film and videotape archive at Windmill Rd Brentford but like many archival recordings from the time it was never intended to be preserved for the longterm and only survived by a happy accident. Consequently it suffers from many complex legal issues surrounding its copyright and rights ownership. Sadly these are likely to prevent it from being ever shown again (or released on video). citation needed
I'm not sure of the context for Jennyd60's remarks but I do remember seeing one programme about Flanders and Swann shown on BBC2 in the early nineties. If I remember correctly, it featured colour video of a Canadian show and was presented by Ian Wallace. It was remarked in the programme that footage of the two performing is very rare.
Flanders was very cautious about recording or filming shows; the LP of the Drop of a Hat was recorded (by George Martin) on its last performance and their last ever performance was videoed in Colour probably in New York, certainly in America - Flanders makes a joke introducing the Song of Patriotic Predudice saying "Without the English, you'd all be Spanish!". The video was for sale - I have a copy - I've just looked on Amazon and the video is no longer current and its a collector's item (so I'm glad I didn't clear it out when I got a PVR)!
It would be nice to see the BBC film; although its black and white and of poor quality I do remember watching it in the 60s and the performances (to my memory) were much stronger than the New York video when they were looking tired.
The article says the videoed performance was in the studio; having recently watched it, there is an audience present - there are shots showing Flanders with the audience in the background, and Flanders is surprised by the reaction of the joke about a song in French being sung in three parts; is there any more about the circumstance of the recording?
Apepper 15:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be an idea to combine the listing of songs with a listing of the contents of the discs. I think I've got the listing from the EMI set somewhere, and modifying it up into a table with song type, maybe credits, duration, date recorded. The EMI set includes some of the more uncommon material (e.g. The War Of...) which wasn't on the old LPs.
A Karley 12:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I sure don't remember 4 different LPs. AFAIK there was just one. Anybody else? El Ingles 16:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This edit spurred me to do some additions, and group the tracks in a better way. El Ingles 19:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The opening paragraph mentions "...several studio-based albums.", AFAIK Bestiary and, arguably "And then we wrote" are the only two studio recordings. Apepper 17:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I recall George Martin discussing recording Flanders and Swann, and it occured to me that he recorded a two hour show which was edited down to a one hour LP. This implies that there were a number of songs or monologues left off the LP; can anyone confirm that? Apepper ( talk) 18:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The picture of Michael Bernstein and Colin Stevens used in the article is wrongly labelled as being the original Flanders and Swann. Even if the caption is corrected is it helpful to have a picture of a pair of impersonators (excellent though they no doubt are)? Tim riley ( talk) 19:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Is the picture of F & S at the head of the article really from 1966? Can anyone verify this? They look much, much younger than in other pictures from the mid-1960s. Martin S Taylor ( talk) 17:13, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
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As i understand it, since Flanders daughter was on the radio today talking about it, 'the youth of my heart ' was music by swann but words by sydney carter. I'm not sure if this is the case for other of the songs, but the article would give the impression they are all written by F&S. She commented something about the piece being used in the act to give her father a rest between monologues and other F&S pieces, though I don't precisely remember the detail. Sandpiper ( talk) 23:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC) I've looked at the CD and Youth of my Heart is attributed to Carter/Swann. Apepper ( talk) 13:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
the article says At the Drop of a Hat was recorded twice. Once for a long-playing record in 1957, and again for CD in 1959 by engineer George Martin. So when was the Compact Disc invented? There is a mistake here somewhere. Sandpiper ( talk) 23:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
ISTR Martin said he recorded several nights' performances and edited the album from that. I also STR that it was the last few shows that were recorded - including the last ever Drop of a Hat. It may be the black & white film recording that was made is being referred to - that's never been released; the last I saw of it was a clip shown when Swann died. Apepper ( talk) 22:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
The BBC comedy show Armstrong & Miller routinely does a Flanders and Swann skit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cveZR4e91kU&feature=related Bokononist ( talk) 00:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article that F & S wrote over 80 songs together, but I can count up over a hundred, so I've edited the page to my amount. I'd be glad to hear if anyone has any different totals? -- WJCB ( talk) 15:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by WJCB ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the following as I felt it was out of kilter with the rest of the article. There is no need to have a blow-by-blow listing of all Flanders' and Swann's songs by album - after all, making records was not their main occupation.
I moved it to here so that the information wouldn't get lost or forgotten: perhaps it could be incorporated into a Flanders and Swann discography article? What do others think?
At the Drop of a Hat was recorded twice. Once for a long-playing record in 1957, and again on 2 May 1959 by producer George Martin. The latter recording, of the last performance at the Fortune Theatre, was issued on CD in 1991.
Other songs from this show which were not recorded or included on compilations include;
Recorded during a performance at the Haymarket Theatre, London, in 1963.
Other songs include;
Flanders and Swann also liked to sing a song from At the Drop of a Hat at some point throughout the show, such as "In the Bath" or "A Transport of Delight".
This collection was recorded in studio, with no audience.
Fifteen songs that were part of the stage show at one time or another, released 1977. Seven of them were included on the Bestiary CD (as The Extiary) to make up the running time.
The title derives from a synonymous monologue reflecting Flanders' love of Tennis, his mocking dislike of tennis umpires both at the centre of the court (at the net dividing the players) and on the most prestigious court in a venue, the Centre Court; and is also an allusion to it being like a legal trial at the central criminal court.
A BBC Radio production, 1974
These were the only two songs recorded with musical instruments other than the piano. They were also included in The Extiary.
-- RobertG ♬ talk 16:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
References
I wonder if it would be appropriate to add a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window to the description of "The Gasman Cometh" (Section "Songs of..."). It seems to be a good example of, and maybe even an intentional reference to (considering that the song could be taken to imply that the workmen are botching jobs on purpose to create more work for each other) that economic fallacy/controversy. (Complete lyrics: http://www.iankitching.me.uk/humour/hippo/gas.html) 88.90.130.204 ( talk) 10:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)molva
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I wonder if the word "rare" is appropriate in the final paragraph of the section Songs of Flanders and Swann? Every song in the world is unique, and hence the term rare can be applied to any song that has ever been written. A song can be rarely heard, or rarely performed, or rarely recorded. The LP on which it is recorded can be rare and difficult to find. There can be a rare set of circumstances that caused the song to be written or commissioned. But I don't think that the term "rare" can be applied to the song itself. Mandolamus ( talk) 11:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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I removed the following: "The British Motorway" — written and performed in 1959 to celebrate the partial opening of the M1, Britain's first motorway. The title was also the entire text of the song, after which Flanders said apologetically "Of course, it isn't very long yet". I can find no reference for this (a Google search of +"Flanders and Swann" +"British Motorway" returns no hits. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
El Ingles 16:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I have moved my contribution here because as afr as I knoe ther are no published sources for this. The statement comes from my own knowledge of the BBC's archive. If anyone can provide a reference then I would be grateful... meanwhile I hope that this can remain here bcause this is important background information. jennyd60 ==
A complete film recording copy of this show does still exist in the BBC film and videotape archive at Windmill Rd Brentford but like many archival recordings from the time it was never intended to be preserved for the longterm and only survived by a happy accident. Consequently it suffers from many complex legal issues surrounding its copyright and rights ownership. Sadly these are likely to prevent it from being ever shown again (or released on video). citation needed
I'm not sure of the context for Jennyd60's remarks but I do remember seeing one programme about Flanders and Swann shown on BBC2 in the early nineties. If I remember correctly, it featured colour video of a Canadian show and was presented by Ian Wallace. It was remarked in the programme that footage of the two performing is very rare.
Flanders was very cautious about recording or filming shows; the LP of the Drop of a Hat was recorded (by George Martin) on its last performance and their last ever performance was videoed in Colour probably in New York, certainly in America - Flanders makes a joke introducing the Song of Patriotic Predudice saying "Without the English, you'd all be Spanish!". The video was for sale - I have a copy - I've just looked on Amazon and the video is no longer current and its a collector's item (so I'm glad I didn't clear it out when I got a PVR)!
It would be nice to see the BBC film; although its black and white and of poor quality I do remember watching it in the 60s and the performances (to my memory) were much stronger than the New York video when they were looking tired.
The article says the videoed performance was in the studio; having recently watched it, there is an audience present - there are shots showing Flanders with the audience in the background, and Flanders is surprised by the reaction of the joke about a song in French being sung in three parts; is there any more about the circumstance of the recording?
Apepper 15:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be an idea to combine the listing of songs with a listing of the contents of the discs. I think I've got the listing from the EMI set somewhere, and modifying it up into a table with song type, maybe credits, duration, date recorded. The EMI set includes some of the more uncommon material (e.g. The War Of...) which wasn't on the old LPs.
A Karley 12:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I sure don't remember 4 different LPs. AFAIK there was just one. Anybody else? El Ingles 16:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This edit spurred me to do some additions, and group the tracks in a better way. El Ingles 19:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The opening paragraph mentions "...several studio-based albums.", AFAIK Bestiary and, arguably "And then we wrote" are the only two studio recordings. Apepper 17:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I recall George Martin discussing recording Flanders and Swann, and it occured to me that he recorded a two hour show which was edited down to a one hour LP. This implies that there were a number of songs or monologues left off the LP; can anyone confirm that? Apepper ( talk) 18:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The picture of Michael Bernstein and Colin Stevens used in the article is wrongly labelled as being the original Flanders and Swann. Even if the caption is corrected is it helpful to have a picture of a pair of impersonators (excellent though they no doubt are)? Tim riley ( talk) 19:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Is the picture of F & S at the head of the article really from 1966? Can anyone verify this? They look much, much younger than in other pictures from the mid-1960s. Martin S Taylor ( talk) 17:13, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
There is a deletion review regarding this category at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 March 25 — Tivedshambo ( t/ c) 15:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
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As i understand it, since Flanders daughter was on the radio today talking about it, 'the youth of my heart ' was music by swann but words by sydney carter. I'm not sure if this is the case for other of the songs, but the article would give the impression they are all written by F&S. She commented something about the piece being used in the act to give her father a rest between monologues and other F&S pieces, though I don't precisely remember the detail. Sandpiper ( talk) 23:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC) I've looked at the CD and Youth of my Heart is attributed to Carter/Swann. Apepper ( talk) 13:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
the article says At the Drop of a Hat was recorded twice. Once for a long-playing record in 1957, and again for CD in 1959 by engineer George Martin. So when was the Compact Disc invented? There is a mistake here somewhere. Sandpiper ( talk) 23:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
ISTR Martin said he recorded several nights' performances and edited the album from that. I also STR that it was the last few shows that were recorded - including the last ever Drop of a Hat. It may be the black & white film recording that was made is being referred to - that's never been released; the last I saw of it was a clip shown when Swann died. Apepper ( talk) 22:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
The BBC comedy show Armstrong & Miller routinely does a Flanders and Swann skit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cveZR4e91kU&feature=related Bokononist ( talk) 00:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article that F & S wrote over 80 songs together, but I can count up over a hundred, so I've edited the page to my amount. I'd be glad to hear if anyone has any different totals? -- WJCB ( talk) 15:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by WJCB ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the following as I felt it was out of kilter with the rest of the article. There is no need to have a blow-by-blow listing of all Flanders' and Swann's songs by album - after all, making records was not their main occupation.
I moved it to here so that the information wouldn't get lost or forgotten: perhaps it could be incorporated into a Flanders and Swann discography article? What do others think?
At the Drop of a Hat was recorded twice. Once for a long-playing record in 1957, and again on 2 May 1959 by producer George Martin. The latter recording, of the last performance at the Fortune Theatre, was issued on CD in 1991.
Other songs from this show which were not recorded or included on compilations include;
Recorded during a performance at the Haymarket Theatre, London, in 1963.
Other songs include;
Flanders and Swann also liked to sing a song from At the Drop of a Hat at some point throughout the show, such as "In the Bath" or "A Transport of Delight".
This collection was recorded in studio, with no audience.
Fifteen songs that were part of the stage show at one time or another, released 1977. Seven of them were included on the Bestiary CD (as The Extiary) to make up the running time.
The title derives from a synonymous monologue reflecting Flanders' love of Tennis, his mocking dislike of tennis umpires both at the centre of the court (at the net dividing the players) and on the most prestigious court in a venue, the Centre Court; and is also an allusion to it being like a legal trial at the central criminal court.
A BBC Radio production, 1974
These were the only two songs recorded with musical instruments other than the piano. They were also included in The Extiary.
-- RobertG ♬ talk 16:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
References
I wonder if it would be appropriate to add a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window to the description of "The Gasman Cometh" (Section "Songs of..."). It seems to be a good example of, and maybe even an intentional reference to (considering that the song could be taken to imply that the workmen are botching jobs on purpose to create more work for each other) that economic fallacy/controversy. (Complete lyrics: http://www.iankitching.me.uk/humour/hippo/gas.html) 88.90.130.204 ( talk) 10:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)molva
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I wonder if the word "rare" is appropriate in the final paragraph of the section Songs of Flanders and Swann? Every song in the world is unique, and hence the term rare can be applied to any song that has ever been written. A song can be rarely heard, or rarely performed, or rarely recorded. The LP on which it is recorded can be rare and difficult to find. There can be a rare set of circumstances that caused the song to be written or commissioned. But I don't think that the term "rare" can be applied to the song itself. Mandolamus ( talk) 11:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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