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I'm a bit skeptical about the symbolism of the 4 regions of the flag. I'm not able to find any other sources for that corroborate that information; frankly it sounds like a joke, and a pretty good one actually. Can anybody provide any sources to support this? Ultranaut 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Nothing from the Libya Embassy in the US, so I will try the embassy that is in Canada. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
This flag is currently the 2nd world's greatest idea( next to snakes on a plane of cource). I don't think this needs it's own article to explain a brief history of Libya's flag and symbolism of the color green-- Scott3 02:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I added it, feel free to reword/remove it if you don't like it, but I felt the article should reflect the degree of notice the flag has received because of its odd design. Isaac Benaron 18:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The flag that appears in the upper right corner says that the ratio is 2:3, and yet the flag that is displayed clearly has a ratio of 1:2. A ticky-tack complaint, but it sort of looks dumb. I don't know if the image is incorrect, or if the claimed ratio is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usuallylogical ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I just found out that a vexillologist will be visiting Libya in the coming days, so I hope some of our questions will be answered in the coming days and months. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:14, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
location:north america,bordering the mediterainean sea,between egypt,tunisia,algeria,southern border with chad,niger,and sudan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.238.243 ( talk) 00:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
( talk) 11:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC) i am a school student in need of as much info as possible asap on libya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.27.134 ( talk) 18:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The first paragraph regards the flag as "no design", I doubt it.
Yes the flag is just a simple green field, but this does not necessarily mean that the flag has no design. Say there should be an official "green color", how "green" did the flag choose? What should be the aspect ratio of the flag? These considerations are design also.
After all, the choice that "the flag is single colored" is already a design itself.
Maybe rephrase "no design" as something like "no other pattern design" will be more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.236.69.12 ( talk) 04:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
"It was designed by Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi."
That must've been a busy day. I bet he was up all night working on it. Annatto ( talk) 20:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
I actually saw, a long time ago, the Lybian flag with a Golden Eagle in its top-centre, and I thought it was some sort of presidential flag or something. But now I can't find any source to back-up what I am saying. Did I dream about this or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.63.136.38 ( talk) 20:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
The rioters against Khaddafi's criminal regime seem to use the old flag of before 1969 as a replacement for the green one. Can anyone confirm this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.157.145.159 ( talk) 10:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Sometimes even Wikipedia should have respect for the blood shed and accept that over half the country uses the independence flag, inclusive most relevant embassies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.186.101.146 ( talk) 01:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the infobox and described the current situation in the lead paraghaph - i hope we can all agree on this Dn9ahx ( talk) 01:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)u
I agree, I think it is ok, lets hope the green flag wont be there too long
Other than the flags shown we also see a lot of tribands, charged or not, with equally proportioned stripes. Like this. Urpunkt ☎ 03:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
vertical here too http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/4332361.bin?size=620x400s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.19.171.88 ( talk) 23:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
On tv i saw ab horizontal flag with the cressent and the star on one side an only black on the other side —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.8.150.58 ( talk) 23:30, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
A flag of the Tripolitanian Republic would be good to add. 65.93.15.125 ( talk) 13:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I made an image which shows a flag similar to those that are often seen on TV news reports: with stripes of equal height, and a crescent similar in shape to that of the Turkish flag. AnonMoos ( talk) 16:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Under the History section of the page, with five citations, it is stated:
On the Historical Flags section, however, the flag displayed has the crescent and star symbol. I'd like to draw administrators' attention to this anomaly so it can be fixed asap. Alex 41.190.90.150 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC).
In view of the present situation in Libya I'd like to dispute the neutrality of approach taking side of the Gaddafi administation with removing the flag used by National Transitional Council from infobox claiming that it's not the official flag of Libya. (Sadly I have to mention that Fn1m at first failed to give a valid explanation for his content removal.) The National Transitional Council, is, at the present moment one of the governments contesting for the rule over Libya, it claims being the only legitimate government of Libya, and is recognized at such, as far as I know, by France and Portugal. From its point of view, the Gaddafian flag is certainly not the official flag of Libya. I don't want to push the opinion that claims of the for being the official flag of Libya are equally good for both sides, at the present moment, but I believe that the version of infobox where the National Transitional Council's flag was included (as of 22:23 March 10, by Lynbarn) did just good - it stated that it's the flag currently in use by Libyan protesters and representing an alternative government of Libya, thus providing complete information on the current state of what the flag of Libya looks like. In my opinion, the alternative flag should be included in the infobox, for the sake of information, without giving undue weight to opinions of either side of the present Libyan civil conflict which the official flag is. -- Hon-3s-T ( talk) 08:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
We could follow the example of the page about the Flag of Abkhazia Dn9ahx ( talk) 21:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
It's obviously an anti-Gaddafi article. The Gaddafi government doesn't only claims to be the government, it is the government. National Transitional Council is only recognised by France, what about all the others 200+ countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fn1m ( talk • contribs) 12:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
well, the 1951 flag is the de facto flag of Libya now. Of course there is no constitution describing the legal official flag at this point, but that's irrelevant, as the title is "flag of Libya", not "constitutionally defined flag of Libya". Lots of flags are simply de facto flags, especially historical ones. -- dab (𒁳) 10:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Are we not being a bit premature here by presenting one flag as a current flag and another as a former flag. Nothing has actually been established yet. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 10:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
In this time official flag of Libya is the green flag. Only the change of libyan act about libyan flag, national anthem and national symbols could change official flag of the country. The tricolor flag is only proposed flag to change the green flag and the symbol of revolution, NTC and Kingdom of Libya nothing more and nothing less. So don't change the flag in this page. Boniek1988 ( talk) 16:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
*Following the adoption by the General Assembly of resolution 66/1, the Permanent Mission of Libya to the United Nations formally notified the United Nations of a Declaration by the National Transitional Council of 3 August 2Oll changing the official name of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya to "Libya" as well as a decision to change Libya's national flag.
- Quotation from UN website. 84.203.72.5 ( talk) 11:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
French Wikipedia went over to the new flag 3 weeks ago, so you can't accuse English Wikipeda of being over-hasty... AnonMoos ( talk) 22:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, apologies if I gave away everything I had to say in the subject/headline (still working on my wikipedia rhythm, i'll get there). While I agree that the "rebel flag" deserves mention on this page along with an image, what makes it simple to resolve for me is the following:
1) National flags are determined by the corresponding national governments. Maybe the Union Jack isn't the official flag but if you ask the UK Government, they will tell you that it's appropriate to use it.
2) In this case, we have an armed conflict where it's clear that one of the belligerents intends to overthrow a sitting government and install a government of their choice. It is easy to see that as part of the information-based war that's happening in this conflict, encouraging adoption of the monarchist flag serves the goals of one of the belligerents. Thus, we can be sure that the flag question is directly tied to evaluating NPOV.
3) Following #1, there is only one organizational entity which will claim to be a government representing the people of Libya and that's the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya including its honorary brother/guide Muammar Gaddafi. As of today, no other organization on earth will identify themselves as a government for Libya -- including the NTC participants who are too busy fighting each other to finalize the formation of an interim government.
These are simple facts and, with reference to my #2 point above, it seems to be a clear NPOV violation to alter the real-life facts in order to give prominence to the rebels. Unless someone can recommend a more accepted course of action, I'd like to leave my comment here for 6-7 hours today and then make changes per the analysis I've written above (absent any objections). I'm convinced that it's the only objective thing to do although I will consider any other framework offered up for deciding that.
In the interest of transparency, I will add that I'm personally biased on this matter -- knowing many people from Libya, it is my sense that the rebels are primarily foreign or ex-pats' kids who are providing cover for extremely violent Islamic fundamentalist soldiers of fortune responsible for perpetrating numerous crimes against the Libyan people (including racially-motivated summary executions against blacks) -- and, sadly, doing all this in cooperation with US/UK/FR special forces. Having given that disclaimer, I believe my experience with Libyan society is an asset as long as I prioritize my commitment to NPOV Guidelines. I feel that I'm a strong enough writer to do so.
Thank you. ryan bagueros » i know en + pt-br + es » talk 14:01, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
*Following the adoption by the General Assembly of resolution 66/1, the Permanent Mission of Libya to the United Nations formally notified the United Nations of a Declaration by the National Transitional Council of 3 August 2Oll changing the official name of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya to "Libya" as well as a decision to change Libya's national flag.
- UN website. 84.203.72.5 ( talk) 11:27, 24 September 2011 (UTC); For clarity, this notification was made between 16 September and 19 September; No one can confirm the exact date but since the notification was made, as far as the UN is concerned, the "rebel" or "Libyan NATO" (depending on your perspective) flag is now the official flag. 84.203.72.5 ( talk) 11:28, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I've made some changes to the flag which I believe are correct, but which need discussion.
First thing's first, I uploaded the new flag, and when one clicks on it it opens, but the thumbnail doesn't show up, because the svg does not seem to have nominal pixel dimensions.
Secondly, the colours. In the constitution segment, which I have at home in Arabic, the red is described as (الأحمر من لون علامات الاشارة) which I believe directly translates as "red from the colour of traffic signs". In the translation in the file description, it has been translated as "sign red". The colour I used is signal red, as I couldn't find 'sign red' except on one website. There are two types of singal red. The first is closer to maroon, which has a hex value of #9E3C3C, and the other is the brighter of the two which I have used #D83010 (R216 G48 B16) This is the source I used. The black and white are easy enough. The green is described as (الأخضر الدائم) which is correctly translated as permanent green. The colour I have used is #25442F (R37 G68 B47) Source.
As for the star and crescent, this is how I have understood the following passage:
"The distance between the tips of the crescent shall equal that between the uppermost and lowermost point of the star measured along a perpendicular forming the hoistward sides of these two points. The perpendicular shall form a tangent to the outside circumference of the crescent at a point equidistant from the top and bottom of the flag."
I have drawn it such that the only vertical side of the star is a tangent to a circle I extended from the outside circumference of the crescent. A picture I found of the flag being raised in an ambassadors house seems to coincide with my understanding of the passage Source. As for the Libyan flag now flying in the UN, it seems to suggest something else [3] and looks like the previous versions uploaded on Wikipedia. Could somebody explain if/why I have understood it incorrectly?
Please discuss. Jaw101ie ( talk) 10:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Probably the green flag should be moved to the historical section, since the internal struggle is apparently over. Fishal ( talk) 19:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
As the article already contains ample pictures and diagrams, I removed the diagram request tag. If you wish to request another diagram please add a discussion on this page to describe what kind of diagram is requested. -- Gccwang ( talk) 01:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey all,
I'm seeing a symbol used a lot in the diagrams -- a six-position-cell filled with various dots. The article seems not to mention it, nor do the image texts for the symbols themselves. Could someone clue me in?
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Sources conflict on what the flag's stripes symbolize.
Some sources say they represent the three regions of Libya:
“ | [T]he Sanūsiyyah (Sennusiya), a powerful Islamic sect, had long displayed flags of black with inscriptions from the Qurʾān. In 1947 the Sanūsī leader became the king of Cyrenaica, which, with Tripolitania and Fezzan, became the United Kingdom of Libya. Cyrenaica’s black flag with a white star and crescent was not acceptable as a national flag for all of Libya; consequently, green and red horizontal stripes were added to represent Tripolitania and Fezzan, respectively, when the Libyan flag was established in 1949. |
” |
— Britannica |
“ | The different colors in the Libyan flag represent the different regions of the country. The red color represents the Fezzan region, the black represents Cyrenaica, while the green color represents the Tripolitania region. | ” |
— WorldAtlas |
Other sources disagree:
“ | Cyrenaica's flag was black with a white star and crescent. When Libya gained independence from the Allied forces in 1951, King Idris added a red stripe at the top to represent the blood of Libyans who died under Italian fascist rule, and a green stripe at the bottom to symbolize independence. | ” |
— Eoin O'Carroll, Christian Science Monitor |
“ | The colors of the Libyan flag are rich with meaning and symbolism pertaining to Libya’s past and future. Red symbolizes the great sacrifice of the Libyan people during their long struggle for independence from colonial/ fascist Italy. The wider center stripe with its black background and white crescent and star, is the Senousi banner under which the struggle against colonialism was organized and fought since 1911. The same banner was later raised by the Libyan army of liberation fighting alongside the Allies during World War II against German and Italian forces in Egypt and Libya. The green color of the flag symbolizes hope, peace and prosperity for Libya’s future generations. | ” |
— 24Dec1951 |
Others claim the flag has two meanings:
“ | It is believed that the colors of the flag also celebrate the unification of the Libyan territories of Tripolitania, Cyrenaica, and Fezzan, and affirm Libya’s Islamic heritage: The red color is a reference to the flag of pre-colonial Ottoman Caliphate rule of the Libyan territories, and was also the prominent color on the flagships of Tripoli in the nineteenth century. The center black stripe (with its white crescent and star) is identical to the flag of the Emirate of Cyrenaica which declared its own independence in 1949, two years prior to the declaration of independence of the United Kingdom of Libya on December 24, 1951. The green is the traditional color of Islam, and also was the color of the large palm tree symbol that adorned the flag of the Tripolitanian Republic from 1918 to its annexation to Italy in 1923. | ” |
— 24Dec1951 |
“ | The colors of the flag have a double meaning: To the black flag (with crescent and star) of Cyrenaica, of which Idris was emir before the creation of Libya in 1951, was added the green to represent Tripolitania and red for Fezzan. But it also represents the black flag “Al-Uqaab” of the Prophet (pbuh) and the crescent and star representing Islam, red for the blood of those who died fighting the Italians and green for the verdant lands along the coast and in the oases[.] | ” |
— Feb17.info |
How should we integrate these interpretations into the article?
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I'm a bit skeptical about the symbolism of the 4 regions of the flag. I'm not able to find any other sources for that corroborate that information; frankly it sounds like a joke, and a pretty good one actually. Can anybody provide any sources to support this? Ultranaut 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Nothing from the Libya Embassy in the US, so I will try the embassy that is in Canada. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
This flag is currently the 2nd world's greatest idea( next to snakes on a plane of cource). I don't think this needs it's own article to explain a brief history of Libya's flag and symbolism of the color green-- Scott3 02:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I added it, feel free to reword/remove it if you don't like it, but I felt the article should reflect the degree of notice the flag has received because of its odd design. Isaac Benaron 18:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The flag that appears in the upper right corner says that the ratio is 2:3, and yet the flag that is displayed clearly has a ratio of 1:2. A ticky-tack complaint, but it sort of looks dumb. I don't know if the image is incorrect, or if the claimed ratio is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usuallylogical ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I just found out that a vexillologist will be visiting Libya in the coming days, so I hope some of our questions will be answered in the coming days and months. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:14, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
location:north america,bordering the mediterainean sea,between egypt,tunisia,algeria,southern border with chad,niger,and sudan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.238.243 ( talk) 00:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
( talk) 11:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC) i am a school student in need of as much info as possible asap on libya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.27.134 ( talk) 18:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The first paragraph regards the flag as "no design", I doubt it.
Yes the flag is just a simple green field, but this does not necessarily mean that the flag has no design. Say there should be an official "green color", how "green" did the flag choose? What should be the aspect ratio of the flag? These considerations are design also.
After all, the choice that "the flag is single colored" is already a design itself.
Maybe rephrase "no design" as something like "no other pattern design" will be more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.236.69.12 ( talk) 04:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
"It was designed by Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi."
That must've been a busy day. I bet he was up all night working on it. Annatto ( talk) 20:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
I actually saw, a long time ago, the Lybian flag with a Golden Eagle in its top-centre, and I thought it was some sort of presidential flag or something. But now I can't find any source to back-up what I am saying. Did I dream about this or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.63.136.38 ( talk) 20:51, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
The rioters against Khaddafi's criminal regime seem to use the old flag of before 1969 as a replacement for the green one. Can anyone confirm this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.157.145.159 ( talk) 10:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Sometimes even Wikipedia should have respect for the blood shed and accept that over half the country uses the independence flag, inclusive most relevant embassies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.186.101.146 ( talk) 01:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the infobox and described the current situation in the lead paraghaph - i hope we can all agree on this Dn9ahx ( talk) 01:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)u
I agree, I think it is ok, lets hope the green flag wont be there too long
Other than the flags shown we also see a lot of tribands, charged or not, with equally proportioned stripes. Like this. Urpunkt ☎ 03:51, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
vertical here too http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/4332361.bin?size=620x400s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.19.171.88 ( talk) 23:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
On tv i saw ab horizontal flag with the cressent and the star on one side an only black on the other side —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.8.150.58 ( talk) 23:30, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
A flag of the Tripolitanian Republic would be good to add. 65.93.15.125 ( talk) 13:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I made an image which shows a flag similar to those that are often seen on TV news reports: with stripes of equal height, and a crescent similar in shape to that of the Turkish flag. AnonMoos ( talk) 16:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Under the History section of the page, with five citations, it is stated:
On the Historical Flags section, however, the flag displayed has the crescent and star symbol. I'd like to draw administrators' attention to this anomaly so it can be fixed asap. Alex 41.190.90.150 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC).
In view of the present situation in Libya I'd like to dispute the neutrality of approach taking side of the Gaddafi administation with removing the flag used by National Transitional Council from infobox claiming that it's not the official flag of Libya. (Sadly I have to mention that Fn1m at first failed to give a valid explanation for his content removal.) The National Transitional Council, is, at the present moment one of the governments contesting for the rule over Libya, it claims being the only legitimate government of Libya, and is recognized at such, as far as I know, by France and Portugal. From its point of view, the Gaddafian flag is certainly not the official flag of Libya. I don't want to push the opinion that claims of the for being the official flag of Libya are equally good for both sides, at the present moment, but I believe that the version of infobox where the National Transitional Council's flag was included (as of 22:23 March 10, by Lynbarn) did just good - it stated that it's the flag currently in use by Libyan protesters and representing an alternative government of Libya, thus providing complete information on the current state of what the flag of Libya looks like. In my opinion, the alternative flag should be included in the infobox, for the sake of information, without giving undue weight to opinions of either side of the present Libyan civil conflict which the official flag is. -- Hon-3s-T ( talk) 08:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
We could follow the example of the page about the Flag of Abkhazia Dn9ahx ( talk) 21:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
It's obviously an anti-Gaddafi article. The Gaddafi government doesn't only claims to be the government, it is the government. National Transitional Council is only recognised by France, what about all the others 200+ countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fn1m ( talk • contribs) 12:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
well, the 1951 flag is the de facto flag of Libya now. Of course there is no constitution describing the legal official flag at this point, but that's irrelevant, as the title is "flag of Libya", not "constitutionally defined flag of Libya". Lots of flags are simply de facto flags, especially historical ones. -- dab (𒁳) 10:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Are we not being a bit premature here by presenting one flag as a current flag and another as a former flag. Nothing has actually been established yet. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 10:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
In this time official flag of Libya is the green flag. Only the change of libyan act about libyan flag, national anthem and national symbols could change official flag of the country. The tricolor flag is only proposed flag to change the green flag and the symbol of revolution, NTC and Kingdom of Libya nothing more and nothing less. So don't change the flag in this page. Boniek1988 ( talk) 16:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
*Following the adoption by the General Assembly of resolution 66/1, the Permanent Mission of Libya to the United Nations formally notified the United Nations of a Declaration by the National Transitional Council of 3 August 2Oll changing the official name of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya to "Libya" as well as a decision to change Libya's national flag.
- Quotation from UN website. 84.203.72.5 ( talk) 11:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
French Wikipedia went over to the new flag 3 weeks ago, so you can't accuse English Wikipeda of being over-hasty... AnonMoos ( talk) 22:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, apologies if I gave away everything I had to say in the subject/headline (still working on my wikipedia rhythm, i'll get there). While I agree that the "rebel flag" deserves mention on this page along with an image, what makes it simple to resolve for me is the following:
1) National flags are determined by the corresponding national governments. Maybe the Union Jack isn't the official flag but if you ask the UK Government, they will tell you that it's appropriate to use it.
2) In this case, we have an armed conflict where it's clear that one of the belligerents intends to overthrow a sitting government and install a government of their choice. It is easy to see that as part of the information-based war that's happening in this conflict, encouraging adoption of the monarchist flag serves the goals of one of the belligerents. Thus, we can be sure that the flag question is directly tied to evaluating NPOV.
3) Following #1, there is only one organizational entity which will claim to be a government representing the people of Libya and that's the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya including its honorary brother/guide Muammar Gaddafi. As of today, no other organization on earth will identify themselves as a government for Libya -- including the NTC participants who are too busy fighting each other to finalize the formation of an interim government.
These are simple facts and, with reference to my #2 point above, it seems to be a clear NPOV violation to alter the real-life facts in order to give prominence to the rebels. Unless someone can recommend a more accepted course of action, I'd like to leave my comment here for 6-7 hours today and then make changes per the analysis I've written above (absent any objections). I'm convinced that it's the only objective thing to do although I will consider any other framework offered up for deciding that.
In the interest of transparency, I will add that I'm personally biased on this matter -- knowing many people from Libya, it is my sense that the rebels are primarily foreign or ex-pats' kids who are providing cover for extremely violent Islamic fundamentalist soldiers of fortune responsible for perpetrating numerous crimes against the Libyan people (including racially-motivated summary executions against blacks) -- and, sadly, doing all this in cooperation with US/UK/FR special forces. Having given that disclaimer, I believe my experience with Libyan society is an asset as long as I prioritize my commitment to NPOV Guidelines. I feel that I'm a strong enough writer to do so.
Thank you. ryan bagueros » i know en + pt-br + es » talk 14:01, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
*Following the adoption by the General Assembly of resolution 66/1, the Permanent Mission of Libya to the United Nations formally notified the United Nations of a Declaration by the National Transitional Council of 3 August 2Oll changing the official name of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya to "Libya" as well as a decision to change Libya's national flag.
- UN website. 84.203.72.5 ( talk) 11:27, 24 September 2011 (UTC); For clarity, this notification was made between 16 September and 19 September; No one can confirm the exact date but since the notification was made, as far as the UN is concerned, the "rebel" or "Libyan NATO" (depending on your perspective) flag is now the official flag. 84.203.72.5 ( talk) 11:28, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I've made some changes to the flag which I believe are correct, but which need discussion.
First thing's first, I uploaded the new flag, and when one clicks on it it opens, but the thumbnail doesn't show up, because the svg does not seem to have nominal pixel dimensions.
Secondly, the colours. In the constitution segment, which I have at home in Arabic, the red is described as (الأحمر من لون علامات الاشارة) which I believe directly translates as "red from the colour of traffic signs". In the translation in the file description, it has been translated as "sign red". The colour I used is signal red, as I couldn't find 'sign red' except on one website. There are two types of singal red. The first is closer to maroon, which has a hex value of #9E3C3C, and the other is the brighter of the two which I have used #D83010 (R216 G48 B16) This is the source I used. The black and white are easy enough. The green is described as (الأخضر الدائم) which is correctly translated as permanent green. The colour I have used is #25442F (R37 G68 B47) Source.
As for the star and crescent, this is how I have understood the following passage:
"The distance between the tips of the crescent shall equal that between the uppermost and lowermost point of the star measured along a perpendicular forming the hoistward sides of these two points. The perpendicular shall form a tangent to the outside circumference of the crescent at a point equidistant from the top and bottom of the flag."
I have drawn it such that the only vertical side of the star is a tangent to a circle I extended from the outside circumference of the crescent. A picture I found of the flag being raised in an ambassadors house seems to coincide with my understanding of the passage Source. As for the Libyan flag now flying in the UN, it seems to suggest something else [3] and looks like the previous versions uploaded on Wikipedia. Could somebody explain if/why I have understood it incorrectly?
Please discuss. Jaw101ie ( talk) 10:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Probably the green flag should be moved to the historical section, since the internal struggle is apparently over. Fishal ( talk) 19:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
As the article already contains ample pictures and diagrams, I removed the diagram request tag. If you wish to request another diagram please add a discussion on this page to describe what kind of diagram is requested. -- Gccwang ( talk) 01:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey all,
I'm seeing a symbol used a lot in the diagrams -- a six-position-cell filled with various dots. The article seems not to mention it, nor do the image texts for the symbols themselves. Could someone clue me in?
Gushi ( talk) 21:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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Sources conflict on what the flag's stripes symbolize.
Some sources say they represent the three regions of Libya:
“ | [T]he Sanūsiyyah (Sennusiya), a powerful Islamic sect, had long displayed flags of black with inscriptions from the Qurʾān. In 1947 the Sanūsī leader became the king of Cyrenaica, which, with Tripolitania and Fezzan, became the United Kingdom of Libya. Cyrenaica’s black flag with a white star and crescent was not acceptable as a national flag for all of Libya; consequently, green and red horizontal stripes were added to represent Tripolitania and Fezzan, respectively, when the Libyan flag was established in 1949. |
” |
— Britannica |
“ | The different colors in the Libyan flag represent the different regions of the country. The red color represents the Fezzan region, the black represents Cyrenaica, while the green color represents the Tripolitania region. | ” |
— WorldAtlas |
Other sources disagree:
“ | Cyrenaica's flag was black with a white star and crescent. When Libya gained independence from the Allied forces in 1951, King Idris added a red stripe at the top to represent the blood of Libyans who died under Italian fascist rule, and a green stripe at the bottom to symbolize independence. | ” |
— Eoin O'Carroll, Christian Science Monitor |
“ | The colors of the Libyan flag are rich with meaning and symbolism pertaining to Libya’s past and future. Red symbolizes the great sacrifice of the Libyan people during their long struggle for independence from colonial/ fascist Italy. The wider center stripe with its black background and white crescent and star, is the Senousi banner under which the struggle against colonialism was organized and fought since 1911. The same banner was later raised by the Libyan army of liberation fighting alongside the Allies during World War II against German and Italian forces in Egypt and Libya. The green color of the flag symbolizes hope, peace and prosperity for Libya’s future generations. | ” |
— 24Dec1951 |
Others claim the flag has two meanings:
“ | It is believed that the colors of the flag also celebrate the unification of the Libyan territories of Tripolitania, Cyrenaica, and Fezzan, and affirm Libya’s Islamic heritage: The red color is a reference to the flag of pre-colonial Ottoman Caliphate rule of the Libyan territories, and was also the prominent color on the flagships of Tripoli in the nineteenth century. The center black stripe (with its white crescent and star) is identical to the flag of the Emirate of Cyrenaica which declared its own independence in 1949, two years prior to the declaration of independence of the United Kingdom of Libya on December 24, 1951. The green is the traditional color of Islam, and also was the color of the large palm tree symbol that adorned the flag of the Tripolitanian Republic from 1918 to its annexation to Italy in 1923. | ” |
— 24Dec1951 |
“ | The colors of the flag have a double meaning: To the black flag (with crescent and star) of Cyrenaica, of which Idris was emir before the creation of Libya in 1951, was added the green to represent Tripolitania and red for Fezzan. But it also represents the black flag “Al-Uqaab” of the Prophet (pbuh) and the crescent and star representing Islam, red for the blood of those who died fighting the Italians and green for the verdant lands along the coast and in the oases[.] | ” |
— Feb17.info |
How should we integrate these interpretations into the article?