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We only have Septimus Power's word that old parliament house was festooned with red ensigns on opening day.
I think you will find there is some debate as to whether his painting is accurate.
Steaknife ( talk) 00:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been bold. I've gone in there and done major surgery on this article.
121.216.232.15 ( talk) 07:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I have some concern about copyright violation in the work of the anon (who appears closely related to Steakknife). I will go through and delete the images with incorrect copyright notices. Some of them could probably be used if anyone bothered to do their research properly, but we do need to consider whether having that many images is appropriate - the user appears to have an image fetish. I will also remove the text that has been directly quoted from posts to a mailing list which allows its material to be published with conditions including attribution and non-commercial use. JPD ( talk) 01:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me but I own the copyright for the image of the HMAS Hobart. Can that image at least reappear? It shows the Australian Blue Ensign being used as a 'battle flag' on the mainmast. Some Captains flew it there instead of the British Blue Ensign.
Actually all those images I uploaded were in order. Use some of them if not all.
I take time and resources to participate in this project.
121.216.232.15 ( talk) 07:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I was given the rights to the image by a member of the AFS. He said he took the picture. I told John Perryman of the RAN archives and he had already seen it and it was on file. A lot of people other than the Flag Society knows about it.
Get it back up there Mr Dixon! What do you have to hide!
121.216.232.15 ( talk) 07:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to have been attacked by a series of sockpuppet IPs, tracked back from other articles. I've removed a lot of the crap on this talk page - however, the sheer number of edits from the individual concerned on the article may need to be looked at by a subject expert. I would personally suggest reverting to a stable version and adding back only the changes people can agree on, but as a non-expert I'm loath to do that myself. Orderinchaos 10:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
can tou show me the five flag the were chosen and put together to mAKE THE aUSTRALIAN FLAG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.200.15 ( talk) 08:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I realize that the infobox was smashing a lot of the other images down, but I think we should try to avoid if possible having a formatting issue remove some very useful information. The article is on the flag of Australia, but Australia uses different flags for different purposes, and those other flags and ensigns are not currently represented. Perhaps it could be restored, and the RAAF flag removed to make the box a bit smaller? I really don't think the current solution is the best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpadkorossy ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Are the blue textures of these two flags the same or are they supposed to be different? The blues of these two flags in Wikipedia are slightly different and I am not sure if this is correct or not. Thanks, Miguel.mateo ( talk) 02:20, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there a disconnect between
and
What I'm getting at is that the King's 1902 approval was issued under Letters Patent and it had the full force of law behind it. I acknowledge that the specific design he approved in 1902 was different from that specifed in 1934 and the one that was the subject of the 1954 Act, but in principle, he approved the flag in 1902. Would it be better to say:
Otherwise, we seem to be suggesting that the King's approval was not legally binding, and that prior to 1954 there was no official Australian flag. -- JackofOz ( talk) 10:24, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand the references in this article, beginning with: ^ a b c d e f g Australian Flags, pp. 2–3. And "kwan"? RayJohnstone ( talk) 00:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
[[:File:Antarctic adventure australian flag.png|thumb|The Australian Flag as depicted in the 1985 video game Antarctic Adventure.]]
Could someone tell me why my improvement to this article keeps getting removed? Surely you can see that this image provides a rich and colourful commentary on the diversity of uses for the Flag of Australia in popular culture. Despite this, my image has been removed three times and it has been tagged for so-called "speedy deletion". I strongly believe that this image provides a substantial amount of useful information to Wikipedia and greatly benefits the readers' understanding of the article in question. Keshidragon ( talk) 19:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Did the RAN exist before 1911?
121.216.232.15 ( talk) 06:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
This is outdated: "The level of support for a change in the flag has grown since the 1980s. [1]"
There is a batch of recent polls which show this is simply not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.202.171 ( talk) 07:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I did cite the latest Morgan Poll - April 2010 - but that edit was reverted. This poll shows the level of support has in fact the same since the 80s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.180.81 ( talk) 07:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
The source Australian Flags is cited numerous times throughout the article, but I can't seem to find information about the source: i.e. author, publication date, full title, etc. Can anyone help me out? -- saberwyn 08:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
There are a lot of lookalike flags in this world. Monaco's and Indonesia's are identical. But if you look up their wikipedia article they have no section entitled "Similar flags".
Take it out I say.
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 09:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
There is a very good chance the Australian flags used at the opening of provisional parliament house in 1927 were blue ensigns: http://www.flagsociety.org.au/Parliament_house_puzzle.htm
The article takes Ausflag's side and says they were red. I've included a lithograph of the opening with the flags shown as blue for balance. This image appeared in Elizabeth Kwan's "Flag and Nation".
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 09:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Was Septimus Power there that day?
What makes his painting any more accurate than the lithograph by the unknown artist? Why does one have anymore probative value than the other?
You get the real impression from Kwan that on the balance of probabilities the Australian flags that day were blue.
P.S. There's nothing wrong with the lithograph by the unknown artist. If it was good enough for inclusion in Flag and Nation, the seminal work on the Australian flag, don't you think it is good enough for wikipedia? You can't really see the stars on the red ensigns in Power's version of events either.
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 23:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Was Septimus Power even there that day?
The flags were blue. They were sticklers for getting things right in those days. I've listed this matter for mediation. 121.217.113.158 ( talk) 06:14, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
There are two records of what flags were flown that day, both different. That's my point.
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 05:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
The article shouldn't say for certain the they flags were red in light of the lithograph by the unknown artist.
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 06:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the animated gif from the top of the article because it looks cheap, and no other flag article seems to have something like it. a flag article should have a simple, static depiction at the top, so I've replaced it with the box from the next section. It needs to be improved (the red ensign should probably be moved and there needs to be some more basic info - design, and adoption date and so on) but I'm not familiar enough with the wiki to do it myself. Feel free to discuss. Dallas ( talk) 01:29, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Some editors have restored to the article a section that looks like this:
I've deleted it since it a) includes flag icons embedded in the prose, which is against WP:MOSFLAG; b) the selection of similar flags is seemingly random, with no apparent reason for mention of the flag of Fiji, but not that of the Pictairn Islands or any of the other 24 flags shown in this image; c) it doesn't make clear what importance similar flags hold to the subject of this article other than being similar; and d) it is completely unsourced.
In this revert, the editor made mention of "those who think it's an issue"; I presumed he was referring to people who want the flag changed because its design is so similar to others. If so, that can be expressed in less than a sentence, which I added here. If I'm wrong, I trust someone can clarify things for me. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 00:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I see the section's been put back again by my regular anonymous stalker, without, as usual, any input on the talk page. It would seem from the discussion above that there's agreement it doesn't serve much purpose; the anon made some changes, but the section still doesn't say anything other than that there are flags that look similar to Australia's. Well, so what? And, even if that is worth mentioning, it can be done in one sentence. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:23, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
The article could mention that the practice of the navy was to fly a large ANF from the mainmast as a battle flag when a warship went to action stations. Banjo Patterson wrote about this in his poem "We're all Australians now" when the HMAS Sydney did it when she sunk the SS Emden at the beginning of WW1.
Gloriousrevolution ( talk) 07:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I found this:
The annual AustraliaSCAN (which surveys 2000 Australians) has found that support for keeping the Australian flag has risen from 57per cent in 2001 to 65per cent in 2011. Support for changing the flag dropped from 19per cent in 2001 to 13per cent in 2011. We love the flag ... despite the fact that it looks exactly like New Zealand and is a derivative of Great Britain, Randell says.***
Let's work out a way to include it in the article. There's a trend there consistent with the other polls. Also, 13% is not a significant minority.
Actually a figure like that, calling it a "debate" is almost an insult to the flag Australia adopted around Federation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.34.60 ( talk) 10:39, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
There's mounting evidence the minority in Australia for a new national flag is no longer signficant: it's the settled will of the people that the existing design remains.
You'd have to think that will be reflected in changes to the article at some stage.
Let's talk about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.34.60 ( talk) 10:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Support for change may have collapsed to 13%. As of today there's a flag debate. One that's being kept artifically alive.
A very telling figure: it's not going to be in our day.
58.164.34.60 ( talk) 08:15, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Could we possibly replace the Infobox RGB flag with the Pantone one? The New Zealand Flag already uses a pantone one so why no us? It should at least appear correctly is all I'm saying... AnimatedZebra ( talk) 15:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Why does Australian National Flag Day redirect here and not to the article Flag Day (Australia)?
Gloriousrevolution ( talk) 05:13, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
We have a seconder. Gloriousrevolution ( talk) 05:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
The above page move needs a rethink, or at least a clear explanation of why it was appropriate, because the above certainly doesn't give me that. I've raised the issue @ Talk:Flag Day (Australia). Best to keep the discussion in one place, over there. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 00:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm uncomfortable using the term "Union Jack" to refer to the British "Union Flag". I know it's common usage here and around the world, but other nations have Union Jacks, notably the United States of America referring to the national flag flown on the jackstaff of a naval vessel. Presumably Estados Unidos Mexicanos naval vessels fly a union jack as well. If we are giving a definitive description of our flag and two terms are available, both well understood, we should use the more precise term. -- Pete ( talk) 04:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
We don't have an article called Union Flag. It's a redirect to Union Jack. Whether everyone agrees or not, it's what consensus has decided. It's just plain silly for this article to be consistently pointing to a redirect. So I changed links here pointing to Union Flag to point to Union Jack.
My old foe Pete(Skyring) has typically reverted what seemed to me a perfectly rational and uncontroversial change within Wikipedia guidelines (avoiding redirects where possible), with an Edit summary of "Union Flag" is the technically correct term. "Union Jack" is a second-rate usage." I really don't care what Pete thinks is second rate. That argument was lost at Talk:Union Jack. The point is that this debate has been had. It's pointless regurgitating it again here. So any comment about technical correctness is irrelevant here. (Take it to Talk:Union Jack again, again, again....)
This article should obviously be consistent with Union Jack (and Union Flag, the redirect). After Pete's revert, it's not. I don't want an Edit war, especially with Pete. History shows that he hates me for my (mostly successful) past efforts to keep his political POV pushing out of this encyclopaedia. Unfortunately, any interaction he has with me IS personal. I have vowed to not interact with him, but he has chosen to fight consensus AND me here.
Can an independent editor please add their thoughts here? Logically those thoughts can only be about whether this article should be pointing to an easily avoidable redirect. They cannot be about whether "Union Jack" is the correct term. That debate belongs elsewhere. HiLo48 ( talk) 02:45, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Recommend a direct link to the article-in-question, thus avoiding re-directs & pipe-links. GoodDay ( talk) 06:28, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Looks like a consensus to me. HiLo48, you should have discussed your changes first, as you were going against the existing consensus in this article. I don't like the change, because I think it's a sop to casual rather than correct usage, but I'm not going to stand in the way of wikiprocedure. -- Pete ( talk) 23:22, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I also support the direct linking of the article in question. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:22, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
What would have been the "unofficial Australian flag" referred to here, in Gavin Souter's Lion and Kangaroo. It couldn't have been the Union Jack/Flag, as that would have been what was normally flying over the Mansion House. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 09:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia, and this is one of the first articles I've ever edited so I realize that my revision might not stick (considering how high profile this page is), but I wanted to quickly explain my rationale anyways. In the first paragraph, I changed the word "hoist" to "left" since it seems pointless to explain a technical term with another technical term, especially considering that both meanings of the word are commonly used in reference to flags. I also included a link to the Glossary of vexillology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrThunderizer ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Apparently the Australian Flag Society has discovered a blue looking flag in the official portrait of the opening of old parliament house. I would have thought they were a good enough source. I see they are mentioned in other articles. I've been following them in the media for the last 10 years.
Let's face it as to that blue flag in the official portrait. How could that remain a secret forever?
Jodyrootes ( talk) 14:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
No they didn't. Please drop the commentary. HiLo48 ( talk) 04:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
There is some uncited text, numerous MOS errors, external jumps in the text, and poor prose (sample: It also must sit first (typically, left) where more than one flag is used. For this reason the Collingwood Football Club had to reverse its logo (now current as of 2004).) Is anyone willing or able to tune the article back up to FA standards to avoid a Featured article review? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
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Realistically 90% or more of Australian flag folklore is rooted in the Anzac tradition. So what do we all think about a separate section where this stuff can be all explored in more detail?
Aussieflagfan ( talk) 16:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Is there any enthusiasm out there for a section entitled "Australian flag in folk art"? It would be an especially good place to put material that isn't already covered by the Australian flag at war.
Aussieflagfan ( talk) 20:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
How about we place an image gallery in this section and restore the black and white photograph of the opening of old parliament house which is a centre of contention here. I know Dr Elizabeth Kwan said in her seminal "Flag and Nation" that the photographs taken that day are inclusive. But in relation that that particular snap no less and authority that John Vaughan, who has a good eye one him, reckons he can discern the difference between red and blue ensign.
For the length of time folks have been debating this that wouldn't be going overboard would it?
Aussieflagfan ( talk) 10:36, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
If we can find a further verifiable source for the prime ministerial cars flags what about restoring this section? Aussieflagfan ( talk) 12:31, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Is there any reason there can't be at least some imagery in this section? As anyone can see by the number of citations and the interest in the subject both historically and to the present, this section is going to be one of the central attractive points of this whole article. Aussieflagfan ( talk) 08:32, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Let's try to identify and address constructively whatever issues there may be with the article with a view to removing the cleanup tag. If it refers to any content I have added then that content has stood for a little while now. On the face of it this article appears to be extremely well referenced throughout. Aussieflagfan ( talk) 16:04, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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We only have Septimus Power's word that old parliament house was festooned with red ensigns on opening day.
I think you will find there is some debate as to whether his painting is accurate.
Steaknife ( talk) 00:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been bold. I've gone in there and done major surgery on this article.
121.216.232.15 ( talk) 07:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I have some concern about copyright violation in the work of the anon (who appears closely related to Steakknife). I will go through and delete the images with incorrect copyright notices. Some of them could probably be used if anyone bothered to do their research properly, but we do need to consider whether having that many images is appropriate - the user appears to have an image fetish. I will also remove the text that has been directly quoted from posts to a mailing list which allows its material to be published with conditions including attribution and non-commercial use. JPD ( talk) 01:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me but I own the copyright for the image of the HMAS Hobart. Can that image at least reappear? It shows the Australian Blue Ensign being used as a 'battle flag' on the mainmast. Some Captains flew it there instead of the British Blue Ensign.
Actually all those images I uploaded were in order. Use some of them if not all.
I take time and resources to participate in this project.
121.216.232.15 ( talk) 07:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I was given the rights to the image by a member of the AFS. He said he took the picture. I told John Perryman of the RAN archives and he had already seen it and it was on file. A lot of people other than the Flag Society knows about it.
Get it back up there Mr Dixon! What do you have to hide!
121.216.232.15 ( talk) 07:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to have been attacked by a series of sockpuppet IPs, tracked back from other articles. I've removed a lot of the crap on this talk page - however, the sheer number of edits from the individual concerned on the article may need to be looked at by a subject expert. I would personally suggest reverting to a stable version and adding back only the changes people can agree on, but as a non-expert I'm loath to do that myself. Orderinchaos 10:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
can tou show me the five flag the were chosen and put together to mAKE THE aUSTRALIAN FLAG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.200.15 ( talk) 08:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I realize that the infobox was smashing a lot of the other images down, but I think we should try to avoid if possible having a formatting issue remove some very useful information. The article is on the flag of Australia, but Australia uses different flags for different purposes, and those other flags and ensigns are not currently represented. Perhaps it could be restored, and the RAAF flag removed to make the box a bit smaller? I really don't think the current solution is the best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpadkorossy ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Are the blue textures of these two flags the same or are they supposed to be different? The blues of these two flags in Wikipedia are slightly different and I am not sure if this is correct or not. Thanks, Miguel.mateo ( talk) 02:20, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there a disconnect between
and
What I'm getting at is that the King's 1902 approval was issued under Letters Patent and it had the full force of law behind it. I acknowledge that the specific design he approved in 1902 was different from that specifed in 1934 and the one that was the subject of the 1954 Act, but in principle, he approved the flag in 1902. Would it be better to say:
Otherwise, we seem to be suggesting that the King's approval was not legally binding, and that prior to 1954 there was no official Australian flag. -- JackofOz ( talk) 10:24, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand the references in this article, beginning with: ^ a b c d e f g Australian Flags, pp. 2–3. And "kwan"? RayJohnstone ( talk) 00:43, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
[[:File:Antarctic adventure australian flag.png|thumb|The Australian Flag as depicted in the 1985 video game Antarctic Adventure.]]
Could someone tell me why my improvement to this article keeps getting removed? Surely you can see that this image provides a rich and colourful commentary on the diversity of uses for the Flag of Australia in popular culture. Despite this, my image has been removed three times and it has been tagged for so-called "speedy deletion". I strongly believe that this image provides a substantial amount of useful information to Wikipedia and greatly benefits the readers' understanding of the article in question. Keshidragon ( talk) 19:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Did the RAN exist before 1911?
121.216.232.15 ( talk) 06:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
This is outdated: "The level of support for a change in the flag has grown since the 1980s. [1]"
There is a batch of recent polls which show this is simply not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.202.171 ( talk) 07:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I did cite the latest Morgan Poll - April 2010 - but that edit was reverted. This poll shows the level of support has in fact the same since the 80s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.180.81 ( talk) 07:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
The source Australian Flags is cited numerous times throughout the article, but I can't seem to find information about the source: i.e. author, publication date, full title, etc. Can anyone help me out? -- saberwyn 08:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
There are a lot of lookalike flags in this world. Monaco's and Indonesia's are identical. But if you look up their wikipedia article they have no section entitled "Similar flags".
Take it out I say.
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 09:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
There is a very good chance the Australian flags used at the opening of provisional parliament house in 1927 were blue ensigns: http://www.flagsociety.org.au/Parliament_house_puzzle.htm
The article takes Ausflag's side and says they were red. I've included a lithograph of the opening with the flags shown as blue for balance. This image appeared in Elizabeth Kwan's "Flag and Nation".
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 09:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Was Septimus Power there that day?
What makes his painting any more accurate than the lithograph by the unknown artist? Why does one have anymore probative value than the other?
You get the real impression from Kwan that on the balance of probabilities the Australian flags that day were blue.
P.S. There's nothing wrong with the lithograph by the unknown artist. If it was good enough for inclusion in Flag and Nation, the seminal work on the Australian flag, don't you think it is good enough for wikipedia? You can't really see the stars on the red ensigns in Power's version of events either.
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 23:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Was Septimus Power even there that day?
The flags were blue. They were sticklers for getting things right in those days. I've listed this matter for mediation. 121.217.113.158 ( talk) 06:14, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
There are two records of what flags were flown that day, both different. That's my point.
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 05:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
The article shouldn't say for certain the they flags were red in light of the lithograph by the unknown artist.
121.217.113.158 ( talk) 06:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the animated gif from the top of the article because it looks cheap, and no other flag article seems to have something like it. a flag article should have a simple, static depiction at the top, so I've replaced it with the box from the next section. It needs to be improved (the red ensign should probably be moved and there needs to be some more basic info - design, and adoption date and so on) but I'm not familiar enough with the wiki to do it myself. Feel free to discuss. Dallas ( talk) 01:29, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Some editors have restored to the article a section that looks like this:
I've deleted it since it a) includes flag icons embedded in the prose, which is against WP:MOSFLAG; b) the selection of similar flags is seemingly random, with no apparent reason for mention of the flag of Fiji, but not that of the Pictairn Islands or any of the other 24 flags shown in this image; c) it doesn't make clear what importance similar flags hold to the subject of this article other than being similar; and d) it is completely unsourced.
In this revert, the editor made mention of "those who think it's an issue"; I presumed he was referring to people who want the flag changed because its design is so similar to others. If so, that can be expressed in less than a sentence, which I added here. If I'm wrong, I trust someone can clarify things for me. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 00:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I see the section's been put back again by my regular anonymous stalker, without, as usual, any input on the talk page. It would seem from the discussion above that there's agreement it doesn't serve much purpose; the anon made some changes, but the section still doesn't say anything other than that there are flags that look similar to Australia's. Well, so what? And, even if that is worth mentioning, it can be done in one sentence. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:23, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
The article could mention that the practice of the navy was to fly a large ANF from the mainmast as a battle flag when a warship went to action stations. Banjo Patterson wrote about this in his poem "We're all Australians now" when the HMAS Sydney did it when she sunk the SS Emden at the beginning of WW1.
Gloriousrevolution ( talk) 07:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I found this:
The annual AustraliaSCAN (which surveys 2000 Australians) has found that support for keeping the Australian flag has risen from 57per cent in 2001 to 65per cent in 2011. Support for changing the flag dropped from 19per cent in 2001 to 13per cent in 2011. We love the flag ... despite the fact that it looks exactly like New Zealand and is a derivative of Great Britain, Randell says.***
Let's work out a way to include it in the article. There's a trend there consistent with the other polls. Also, 13% is not a significant minority.
Actually a figure like that, calling it a "debate" is almost an insult to the flag Australia adopted around Federation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.34.60 ( talk) 10:39, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
There's mounting evidence the minority in Australia for a new national flag is no longer signficant: it's the settled will of the people that the existing design remains.
You'd have to think that will be reflected in changes to the article at some stage.
Let's talk about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.34.60 ( talk) 10:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Support for change may have collapsed to 13%. As of today there's a flag debate. One that's being kept artifically alive.
A very telling figure: it's not going to be in our day.
58.164.34.60 ( talk) 08:15, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Could we possibly replace the Infobox RGB flag with the Pantone one? The New Zealand Flag already uses a pantone one so why no us? It should at least appear correctly is all I'm saying... AnimatedZebra ( talk) 15:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Why does Australian National Flag Day redirect here and not to the article Flag Day (Australia)?
Gloriousrevolution ( talk) 05:13, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
We have a seconder. Gloriousrevolution ( talk) 05:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
The above page move needs a rethink, or at least a clear explanation of why it was appropriate, because the above certainly doesn't give me that. I've raised the issue @ Talk:Flag Day (Australia). Best to keep the discussion in one place, over there. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 00:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm uncomfortable using the term "Union Jack" to refer to the British "Union Flag". I know it's common usage here and around the world, but other nations have Union Jacks, notably the United States of America referring to the national flag flown on the jackstaff of a naval vessel. Presumably Estados Unidos Mexicanos naval vessels fly a union jack as well. If we are giving a definitive description of our flag and two terms are available, both well understood, we should use the more precise term. -- Pete ( talk) 04:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
We don't have an article called Union Flag. It's a redirect to Union Jack. Whether everyone agrees or not, it's what consensus has decided. It's just plain silly for this article to be consistently pointing to a redirect. So I changed links here pointing to Union Flag to point to Union Jack.
My old foe Pete(Skyring) has typically reverted what seemed to me a perfectly rational and uncontroversial change within Wikipedia guidelines (avoiding redirects where possible), with an Edit summary of "Union Flag" is the technically correct term. "Union Jack" is a second-rate usage." I really don't care what Pete thinks is second rate. That argument was lost at Talk:Union Jack. The point is that this debate has been had. It's pointless regurgitating it again here. So any comment about technical correctness is irrelevant here. (Take it to Talk:Union Jack again, again, again....)
This article should obviously be consistent with Union Jack (and Union Flag, the redirect). After Pete's revert, it's not. I don't want an Edit war, especially with Pete. History shows that he hates me for my (mostly successful) past efforts to keep his political POV pushing out of this encyclopaedia. Unfortunately, any interaction he has with me IS personal. I have vowed to not interact with him, but he has chosen to fight consensus AND me here.
Can an independent editor please add their thoughts here? Logically those thoughts can only be about whether this article should be pointing to an easily avoidable redirect. They cannot be about whether "Union Jack" is the correct term. That debate belongs elsewhere. HiLo48 ( talk) 02:45, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Recommend a direct link to the article-in-question, thus avoiding re-directs & pipe-links. GoodDay ( talk) 06:28, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Looks like a consensus to me. HiLo48, you should have discussed your changes first, as you were going against the existing consensus in this article. I don't like the change, because I think it's a sop to casual rather than correct usage, but I'm not going to stand in the way of wikiprocedure. -- Pete ( talk) 23:22, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I also support the direct linking of the article in question. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:22, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
What would have been the "unofficial Australian flag" referred to here, in Gavin Souter's Lion and Kangaroo. It couldn't have been the Union Jack/Flag, as that would have been what was normally flying over the Mansion House. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 09:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia, and this is one of the first articles I've ever edited so I realize that my revision might not stick (considering how high profile this page is), but I wanted to quickly explain my rationale anyways. In the first paragraph, I changed the word "hoist" to "left" since it seems pointless to explain a technical term with another technical term, especially considering that both meanings of the word are commonly used in reference to flags. I also included a link to the Glossary of vexillology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrThunderizer ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Apparently the Australian Flag Society has discovered a blue looking flag in the official portrait of the opening of old parliament house. I would have thought they were a good enough source. I see they are mentioned in other articles. I've been following them in the media for the last 10 years.
Let's face it as to that blue flag in the official portrait. How could that remain a secret forever?
Jodyrootes ( talk) 14:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
No they didn't. Please drop the commentary. HiLo48 ( talk) 04:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
There is some uncited text, numerous MOS errors, external jumps in the text, and poor prose (sample: It also must sit first (typically, left) where more than one flag is used. For this reason the Collingwood Football Club had to reverse its logo (now current as of 2004).) Is anyone willing or able to tune the article back up to FA standards to avoid a Featured article review? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
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Realistically 90% or more of Australian flag folklore is rooted in the Anzac tradition. So what do we all think about a separate section where this stuff can be all explored in more detail?
Aussieflagfan ( talk) 16:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Is there any enthusiasm out there for a section entitled "Australian flag in folk art"? It would be an especially good place to put material that isn't already covered by the Australian flag at war.
Aussieflagfan ( talk) 20:39, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
How about we place an image gallery in this section and restore the black and white photograph of the opening of old parliament house which is a centre of contention here. I know Dr Elizabeth Kwan said in her seminal "Flag and Nation" that the photographs taken that day are inclusive. But in relation that that particular snap no less and authority that John Vaughan, who has a good eye one him, reckons he can discern the difference between red and blue ensign.
For the length of time folks have been debating this that wouldn't be going overboard would it?
Aussieflagfan ( talk) 10:36, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
If we can find a further verifiable source for the prime ministerial cars flags what about restoring this section? Aussieflagfan ( talk) 12:31, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Is there any reason there can't be at least some imagery in this section? As anyone can see by the number of citations and the interest in the subject both historically and to the present, this section is going to be one of the central attractive points of this whole article. Aussieflagfan ( talk) 08:32, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Let's try to identify and address constructively whatever issues there may be with the article with a view to removing the cleanup tag. If it refers to any content I have added then that content has stood for a little while now. On the face of it this article appears to be extremely well referenced throughout. Aussieflagfan ( talk) 16:04, 5 July 2018 (UTC)