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Anybody noticed that the second versions are not available on Liveleak anymore? They are still listed on Wilders' profile, but if you click one of them, a message states: "This media item has been removed by the uploader". - Face 22:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
The selection and placement of stories on this page were determined automatically by a computer programme. The time or date displayed (including those in the Timeline of Articles feature) reflect when an article , and pvv.nl or geertwilders.nl do not mention it neither. Cheers, Face 18:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh... the Liveleak videos seem to be back. I wish I had checked that earlier. Re-added the links. - Face 22:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Can we have either an attribution or a less charged word than moaned please?
Hcobb ( talk) 14:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently there are disagreements over whether Female genital cutting should be considered "female genital cutting" or "female circumcision" or even sometimes "female genital mutilation". The Wikipedia article uses "Female genital cutting", which sounds to me like a neutral term between the both extremes, although there may be specific criteria for the use of the word " mutilation" that have been passed — the sources used in this article do use the word. Since this article should not be written from a religious POV, I do not believe religious language should be used. Thoughts? MantisEars ( talk) 22:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I would like to reach consensus here before editing the article — as to prevent edit-warring — to change "Islam" to "islam" and "Muslim(s)" to "muslim(s)". Doing so would be perfectly NPOV, as these are the correct spellings of these words. However, "islam" and "muslim(s)" are widely capitalised in other articles, which is why I'd like to be assured that my edit won't be reverted. StaticGull Talk 15:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I've largely rewrote/expanded the lead, and removed that fact tag while I was at it (that thing had been there for ages even though there was nothing unsourced). I think the general message that the film wants to convey is that the Islamic religion incites its followers to hate those who do not live according to the Islamic teachings, and esspecially those who criticizes, threatens or attacks the Islam. I tried to put it the best way I could, here is the diff. Any suggestions? Cheers, Face 20:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Labeling this film as "propoganda" is a clear POV statement. The label should be removed. Frotz ( talk) 20:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Arnoutf ( talk) 21:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be appropriate to tag the article as WP:NPOV, as we are divisive about the WP:LEAD itself and article clearly is written in an way that makes anti-Islamic opinions of the director seems like a universal truth? Zencv Lets discuss 17:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Did really scarlet pimpernel edited, directed and wrote Fitna? cause the info box says so... :| —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.40.240.184 ( talk) 20:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, bringing the discussion here, since folk have been slo-mo edit-warring over this for a while. We don't need that sort of crazyness anymore. Let's find a consensus backed up by citation. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
This article will be of interest to many people this week, with this about to occur. It may be worth keeping a watchful eye on it for vandalism. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 00:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
The page says that Fitna argues that "Islam encourages, among others, ... Islamic universalism. " However, if you look at the latter page, it rightly defines "universalism" as "a religion, theology and philosophy that generally holds all persons and creatures are related to God or the Divine and will be reconciled to God ... [and] may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine". Clearly, the film is not arguing that, but rather, that Islam should be imposed "universally" -- a quite different thing. Mikalra ( talk) 11:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
There is no transcript of the credits. For example the music:
Grieg Aase's Death, (arrangement SPP), Peer Gynt, Suite 1, Opus 46
Tchaikovsky- Arabian dance (arrangement SPP), Nutcracker suite, Opus 71
Can a section be added ?
Also is it possible for the production company (who wish to remain anonymous) to add detail about what was used to edit the film (e.g. Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premier) ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.181.80 ( talk) 13:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just watched a version of the film at Google videos and was surprised to see, at the end of the closing credits, the line "And the official website at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fitna". Not sure whether this warrants mentioning in the article, but it's a bit ... I dunno, weird: since when is WP an "official" anything? Dom Kaos ( talk) 20:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Why was it removed? Computerjoe 's talk 12:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The Huffington post article that is used to support that Arnoud van Doorn allegedly produced this film Fitna does not even support this claim (it only mentions that he helped marketing; a claim which itself is also not substantiated). Doorn has never been linked to this movie, not during its inception, not during its release, and not anywhere after.
The only link seems to be this random misreferenced Huffington post article, which cites no sources. The producer of this film is the scarlet pimpernel, only this pseudonym is known.
I would strongly urge to bring the English version of this part of the article back in line with the more solidly foundationed Dutch one.
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Anybody noticed that the second versions are not available on Liveleak anymore? They are still listed on Wilders' profile, but if you click one of them, a message states: "This media item has been removed by the uploader". - Face 22:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
The selection and placement of stories on this page were determined automatically by a computer programme. The time or date displayed (including those in the Timeline of Articles feature) reflect when an article , and pvv.nl or geertwilders.nl do not mention it neither. Cheers, Face 18:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh... the Liveleak videos seem to be back. I wish I had checked that earlier. Re-added the links. - Face 22:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Can we have either an attribution or a less charged word than moaned please?
Hcobb ( talk) 14:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Currently there are disagreements over whether Female genital cutting should be considered "female genital cutting" or "female circumcision" or even sometimes "female genital mutilation". The Wikipedia article uses "Female genital cutting", which sounds to me like a neutral term between the both extremes, although there may be specific criteria for the use of the word " mutilation" that have been passed — the sources used in this article do use the word. Since this article should not be written from a religious POV, I do not believe religious language should be used. Thoughts? MantisEars ( talk) 22:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I would like to reach consensus here before editing the article — as to prevent edit-warring — to change "Islam" to "islam" and "Muslim(s)" to "muslim(s)". Doing so would be perfectly NPOV, as these are the correct spellings of these words. However, "islam" and "muslim(s)" are widely capitalised in other articles, which is why I'd like to be assured that my edit won't be reverted. StaticGull Talk 15:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I've largely rewrote/expanded the lead, and removed that fact tag while I was at it (that thing had been there for ages even though there was nothing unsourced). I think the general message that the film wants to convey is that the Islamic religion incites its followers to hate those who do not live according to the Islamic teachings, and esspecially those who criticizes, threatens or attacks the Islam. I tried to put it the best way I could, here is the diff. Any suggestions? Cheers, Face 20:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Labeling this film as "propoganda" is a clear POV statement. The label should be removed. Frotz ( talk) 20:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Arnoutf ( talk) 21:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be appropriate to tag the article as WP:NPOV, as we are divisive about the WP:LEAD itself and article clearly is written in an way that makes anti-Islamic opinions of the director seems like a universal truth? Zencv Lets discuss 17:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Did really scarlet pimpernel edited, directed and wrote Fitna? cause the info box says so... :| —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.40.240.184 ( talk) 20:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, bringing the discussion here, since folk have been slo-mo edit-warring over this for a while. We don't need that sort of crazyness anymore. Let's find a consensus backed up by citation. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
This article will be of interest to many people this week, with this about to occur. It may be worth keeping a watchful eye on it for vandalism. Parrot of Doom ( talk) 00:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
The page says that Fitna argues that "Islam encourages, among others, ... Islamic universalism. " However, if you look at the latter page, it rightly defines "universalism" as "a religion, theology and philosophy that generally holds all persons and creatures are related to God or the Divine and will be reconciled to God ... [and] may emphasize the universal principles of most religions and accept other religions in an inclusive manner, believing in a universal reconciliation between humanity and the divine". Clearly, the film is not arguing that, but rather, that Islam should be imposed "universally" -- a quite different thing. Mikalra ( talk) 11:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
There is no transcript of the credits. For example the music:
Grieg Aase's Death, (arrangement SPP), Peer Gynt, Suite 1, Opus 46
Tchaikovsky- Arabian dance (arrangement SPP), Nutcracker suite, Opus 71
Can a section be added ?
Also is it possible for the production company (who wish to remain anonymous) to add detail about what was used to edit the film (e.g. Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premier) ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.181.80 ( talk) 13:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just watched a version of the film at Google videos and was surprised to see, at the end of the closing credits, the line "And the official website at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fitna". Not sure whether this warrants mentioning in the article, but it's a bit ... I dunno, weird: since when is WP an "official" anything? Dom Kaos ( talk) 20:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Why was it removed? Computerjoe 's talk 12:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The Huffington post article that is used to support that Arnoud van Doorn allegedly produced this film Fitna does not even support this claim (it only mentions that he helped marketing; a claim which itself is also not substantiated). Doorn has never been linked to this movie, not during its inception, not during its release, and not anywhere after.
The only link seems to be this random misreferenced Huffington post article, which cites no sources. The producer of this film is the scarlet pimpernel, only this pseudonym is known.
I would strongly urge to bring the English version of this part of the article back in line with the more solidly foundationed Dutch one.
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