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So what happened in the antitrust case...? Was it this one? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 17:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC) (P.S. I'm not watching this page, so if you want an answer...)
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The result of the move request was: moved. Typically, in cases of hyphens vs. dashes, then it's something that ultimately comes down to style guides. Consensus is to follow our own style guide in this case.
Whether to use "corporation" or not is an open question, but there's no consensus yet for that, but also no opposition to it either; it's worth further discussion, IMO. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 15:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Famous Players-Lasky → Famous Players–Lasky – The tight connection with a hyphen wrongly suggests something like a Mr. Players-Lasky who is famous. A dash conveys the more correct connection between parallel items, Famous Players and Lasky. Some of the early ads and logos clearly use a separator such as a swung dash that is very distinctly not a hyphen. We recognize that many sources don't care about the grammatical implications of small typographical differences, and are happy to render dashes as hyphens, but it is WP style to not do that, per MOS:NDASH. Dicklyon ( talk) 21:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Move to Famous Players–Lasky Corporation (with en-dash) Per MOS:ENBETWEEN, We generally, use a hyphen in compounded proper names of single entities (Wilkes-Barre, a single city named after two people, but Minneapolis–Saint Paul, an area encompassing two cities) but use an en dash for the names of two or more entities in an attributive compound (the Seifert–van Kampen theorem; and, Comet Hale–Bopp or just Hale–Bopp). From the last example (noting that Comet Hale–Bopp is a single entity), the attributive (Hale–Bopp) is modifying the root noun (comet) and an en-dash is used even when the root noun is implied. In the case of this article, corporation is the root noun, which is implied in the current article title and is most always explicitly used in the text of the article. Hence, the example of Comet Hale–Bopp, using an en-dash most closely corresponds to the question at hand. As a matter of type-setting style, WP explicitly distinguishes between an en-dash and an hyphen. However, in common usage an hyphen character is often substituted for an en-dash because of keyboard accessibility (or rather, lack thereof). An argument is made giving digitised sources, that usage of the hyphen predominates. Firstly, the question of en-dash v hyphen is a matter of style. As such, the guidance at WP:MOS, WPs preferred style carries more weight than the style used in various sources. Secondly, the argument is based on at least two assumptions. A: that there was a conscious choice to use a hyphen in the original type-setting rather than it being a convenient substitution (if not the only option). B: that the image to text digitisation employed (at the time) was/is capable of reproducibly distinguishing a hyphen from an en-dash. To my knowledge, neither are sound assumptions. To including corporation in the title, both WP:CONCISE at WP:AT and WP:NCCORP would guide us against this but do not preclude it. A search indicates that the attributive is consistently followed corporation as a unitary noun phrase. The attributive alone is a confusing constriction regardless of the dash/hyphen. It begs to be completed unlike cases such as Apple or Nestlé. Famous Players–Lasky Corporation falls to that part of WP:NCCORP, where the suffix (corporation) is an integral part of the name. Cinderella157 ( talk) 03:05, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 13:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Famous Players–Lasky →
Famous Players–Lasky Corporation – Famous Players–Lasky Corporation is consistently used in prose in sources when referring to the corporation. Per
WP:NCCORP, in this case, Corporation is a key part of the company's name in common usage, rather than simply as a designator of its official legal status
.
Cinderella157 (
talk)
10:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Ping editors commenting in previous RM: Dicklyon, SMcCandlish, Tony1, Oknazevad and BarrelProof. Cinderella157 ( talk) 10:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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So what happened in the antitrust case...? Was it this one? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 17:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC) (P.S. I'm not watching this page, so if you want an answer...)
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The result of the move request was: moved. Typically, in cases of hyphens vs. dashes, then it's something that ultimately comes down to style guides. Consensus is to follow our own style guide in this case.
Whether to use "corporation" or not is an open question, but there's no consensus yet for that, but also no opposition to it either; it's worth further discussion, IMO. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre ( talk) 15:23, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Famous Players-Lasky → Famous Players–Lasky – The tight connection with a hyphen wrongly suggests something like a Mr. Players-Lasky who is famous. A dash conveys the more correct connection between parallel items, Famous Players and Lasky. Some of the early ads and logos clearly use a separator such as a swung dash that is very distinctly not a hyphen. We recognize that many sources don't care about the grammatical implications of small typographical differences, and are happy to render dashes as hyphens, but it is WP style to not do that, per MOS:NDASH. Dicklyon ( talk) 21:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Move to Famous Players–Lasky Corporation (with en-dash) Per MOS:ENBETWEEN, We generally, use a hyphen in compounded proper names of single entities (Wilkes-Barre, a single city named after two people, but Minneapolis–Saint Paul, an area encompassing two cities) but use an en dash for the names of two or more entities in an attributive compound (the Seifert–van Kampen theorem; and, Comet Hale–Bopp or just Hale–Bopp). From the last example (noting that Comet Hale–Bopp is a single entity), the attributive (Hale–Bopp) is modifying the root noun (comet) and an en-dash is used even when the root noun is implied. In the case of this article, corporation is the root noun, which is implied in the current article title and is most always explicitly used in the text of the article. Hence, the example of Comet Hale–Bopp, using an en-dash most closely corresponds to the question at hand. As a matter of type-setting style, WP explicitly distinguishes between an en-dash and an hyphen. However, in common usage an hyphen character is often substituted for an en-dash because of keyboard accessibility (or rather, lack thereof). An argument is made giving digitised sources, that usage of the hyphen predominates. Firstly, the question of en-dash v hyphen is a matter of style. As such, the guidance at WP:MOS, WPs preferred style carries more weight than the style used in various sources. Secondly, the argument is based on at least two assumptions. A: that there was a conscious choice to use a hyphen in the original type-setting rather than it being a convenient substitution (if not the only option). B: that the image to text digitisation employed (at the time) was/is capable of reproducibly distinguishing a hyphen from an en-dash. To my knowledge, neither are sound assumptions. To including corporation in the title, both WP:CONCISE at WP:AT and WP:NCCORP would guide us against this but do not preclude it. A search indicates that the attributive is consistently followed corporation as a unitary noun phrase. The attributive alone is a confusing constriction regardless of the dash/hyphen. It begs to be completed unlike cases such as Apple or Nestlé. Famous Players–Lasky Corporation falls to that part of WP:NCCORP, where the suffix (corporation) is an integral part of the name. Cinderella157 ( talk) 03:05, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 13:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
Famous Players–Lasky →
Famous Players–Lasky Corporation – Famous Players–Lasky Corporation is consistently used in prose in sources when referring to the corporation. Per
WP:NCCORP, in this case, Corporation is a key part of the company's name in common usage, rather than simply as a designator of its official legal status
.
Cinderella157 (
talk)
10:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Ping editors commenting in previous RM: Dicklyon, SMcCandlish, Tony1, Oknazevad and BarrelProof. Cinderella157 ( talk) 10:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)