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A CSULB professor has published an online book about Alexander that provides a lot of new and relevant information: http://thugthebook.blogspot.com/2013/06/seven-b-biggest-academic-ponzi-scheme.html It would seem to be very reliable given that it's published by a university professor and contains all of its own supporting documentation.Pokey5945 (talk) 01:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Upon further review, I now agree that "Thug: The Book" does not currently meet the RS standard for inclusion in the article. It does contain numerous primary source documents that are relevant to this article, but until they are used in a source that does meet WP:RS, they cannot be placed in this article due to the OR policy. There is no policy that prevents editors from discussing the relevance of this source on the Talk page, and it is entirely inappropriate for you to keep deleting the discussion.Pokey5945 (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
I recommend removing the Oxford Round Table (ORT) section from this article. None of the references even mention Alexander's name. The references can be used at the ORT article, but do not seem appropriate at this BLP. Bahooka ( talk) 23:21, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
There is no reason for the oxford round table section to be included since we do not know his current affiliation and most of the contents are a few opinions from blog sites which do not even connect back to King Alexander. Not enough facts and is redundant to the actual (ORT) wikipage which could be simply linked to. Derekzoo ( talk) 23:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
The biographical page does not need an entire section devoted to the oxford round table when all that is needed is his affiliationa and a link to that page. 24.15.29.81 ( talk) 03:07, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
ORT section was removed because none of the articles cited mention F. King Alexander. Do not revert that edit before discussing it on the Talk page. Some mention of it may be included, but editors should first discuss verifiable sources. If there are no verifiable sources, that should not be included in the article. Thanks. -- Aragorn8392 ( talk) 20:31, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
ORT section was removed because none of the articles cited mention F. King Alexander. Do not revert that edit before discussing it on the Talk page. Some mention of it may be included, but editors should first discuss verifiable sources. If there are no verifiable sources, that should not be included in the article. Thanks.
The continuous reversions to Talk pages where the blog link is mentioned are not necessary. It makes it appear that the reverters are simply trying to promote the book by keeping it at the top of the talk page. "Do not leave unsourced or poorly sourced material in an article if it might damage the reputation of living people or existing groups, and do not move it to the talk page." The blog is not new information, it has been repeatedly discredited as a verifiable source. WP:V-- Aragorn8392 ( talk) 21:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
It looks like Alexander was only peripherally involved as an administrator in the case of Lane stealing scholarship funds. An impartial investigation of misappropriated funds is not really the same as a direct attack. Anyway, I don't object to your comments if they were to actually relate to the article (which they don't, because the link cannot be used as a source to improve the article), I object to your spamming Talk pages with the same blog link over and over. -- Aragorn8392 ( talk) 14:31, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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As Nomoskedasticity hast noted in the history of this article, in mid-September 2021, an anonymous user started heavily editing this article. On September 21 Nomoskedasticity reverted an anonymous revision and commented, "strong impression that someone is being paid to edit this page on Alexander's behalf." I agree with this assessment. I appears that someone is trying to bury negative information in a deluge of details about Alexander's life and career. I added a new sentence to the lead paragraph, "He resigned from his most recent position as President of Oregon State University after a faculty vote of no-confidence," because it cannot be buried. In addition, I removed the word "(tenured)" from the article, which was added in three locations on September 20. I believe this may have been added because Alexander was critiqued by university faculty for not "earning" tenure at a research institution. All presidents are hired with tenure, so there is not need to mention the tenure. Bridges2Information ( talk) 19:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
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A CSULB professor has published an online book about Alexander that provides a lot of new and relevant information: http://thugthebook.blogspot.com/2013/06/seven-b-biggest-academic-ponzi-scheme.html It would seem to be very reliable given that it's published by a university professor and contains all of its own supporting documentation.Pokey5945 (talk) 01:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Upon further review, I now agree that "Thug: The Book" does not currently meet the RS standard for inclusion in the article. It does contain numerous primary source documents that are relevant to this article, but until they are used in a source that does meet WP:RS, they cannot be placed in this article due to the OR policy. There is no policy that prevents editors from discussing the relevance of this source on the Talk page, and it is entirely inappropriate for you to keep deleting the discussion.Pokey5945 (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
I recommend removing the Oxford Round Table (ORT) section from this article. None of the references even mention Alexander's name. The references can be used at the ORT article, but do not seem appropriate at this BLP. Bahooka ( talk) 23:21, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
There is no reason for the oxford round table section to be included since we do not know his current affiliation and most of the contents are a few opinions from blog sites which do not even connect back to King Alexander. Not enough facts and is redundant to the actual (ORT) wikipage which could be simply linked to. Derekzoo ( talk) 23:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
The biographical page does not need an entire section devoted to the oxford round table when all that is needed is his affiliationa and a link to that page. 24.15.29.81 ( talk) 03:07, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
ORT section was removed because none of the articles cited mention F. King Alexander. Do not revert that edit before discussing it on the Talk page. Some mention of it may be included, but editors should first discuss verifiable sources. If there are no verifiable sources, that should not be included in the article. Thanks. -- Aragorn8392 ( talk) 20:31, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
ORT section was removed because none of the articles cited mention F. King Alexander. Do not revert that edit before discussing it on the Talk page. Some mention of it may be included, but editors should first discuss verifiable sources. If there are no verifiable sources, that should not be included in the article. Thanks.
The continuous reversions to Talk pages where the blog link is mentioned are not necessary. It makes it appear that the reverters are simply trying to promote the book by keeping it at the top of the talk page. "Do not leave unsourced or poorly sourced material in an article if it might damage the reputation of living people or existing groups, and do not move it to the talk page." The blog is not new information, it has been repeatedly discredited as a verifiable source. WP:V-- Aragorn8392 ( talk) 21:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
It looks like Alexander was only peripherally involved as an administrator in the case of Lane stealing scholarship funds. An impartial investigation of misappropriated funds is not really the same as a direct attack. Anyway, I don't object to your comments if they were to actually relate to the article (which they don't, because the link cannot be used as a source to improve the article), I object to your spamming Talk pages with the same blog link over and over. -- Aragorn8392 ( talk) 14:31, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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As Nomoskedasticity hast noted in the history of this article, in mid-September 2021, an anonymous user started heavily editing this article. On September 21 Nomoskedasticity reverted an anonymous revision and commented, "strong impression that someone is being paid to edit this page on Alexander's behalf." I agree with this assessment. I appears that someone is trying to bury negative information in a deluge of details about Alexander's life and career. I added a new sentence to the lead paragraph, "He resigned from his most recent position as President of Oregon State University after a faculty vote of no-confidence," because it cannot be buried. In addition, I removed the word "(tenured)" from the article, which was added in three locations on September 20. I believe this may have been added because Alexander was critiqued by university faculty for not "earning" tenure at a research institution. All presidents are hired with tenure, so there is not need to mention the tenure. Bridges2Information ( talk) 19:15, 5 October 2021 (UTC)