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This page ought to be redirected to Neon Genesis Evangelion (I wish I knew how) rather than disambiguated. PhoenixSeraph 23:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
As an anonymous user, it seems I can't follow the process to nominate this article for deletion. However, if I could, I would, for this reason:
Wikipedia is not a dictionary. This article is a dictionary definition of the word "evangelion", and as such, doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Furthermore, having it in Wikipedia is problematic because many readers will be looking for an article called "Evangelion" and expecting to find Neon Genesis Evangelion. The word is very seldom used except in the context of that television series. For most readers who ask Wikipedia about "evangelion", the current Evangelion article is the wrong answer to the question; so it shouldn't be the default.
The more appropriate structure, instead of an article with the dictionary definition under Evangelion and a pointer there to Neon Genesis Evangelion, would be a redirect from Evangelion to Neon Genesis Evangelion and a pointer there to the definition, which could be put in Wiktionary or included as a section in the Neon Genesis Evangelion article. I note that the present Evangelion article apparently originated as a section of the Neon Genesis Evangelion article - so maybe what I'm suggesting would be better described as a "merge" instead of a "deletion" anyway. 129.97.79.144 15:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. J'onn J'onzz 13:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
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Up to 2008, at least, the anime term Evangelion has had no overlap with other Wikipedia entires, and no overlap with words in English, despite the fact that the word clearly has European roots. You can check the lack of entries at a dictionary website: evangelium, evangelion. It is only known because of the anime. In 2009, the only overlap that exists now is the album that's expected to be released in late 2009. Now, is the convenience of redirecting Evangelion to Neon Genesis Evangelion worth giving the album publicity by putting a disambig header link at the Neon Genesis Evangelion page? Hard to tell. — Tokek ( talk) 03:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe that there is even discussion in giving a 20-year-old anime parity with 2000 years of religious evolution. Any book on theology will cite evangelion in its proper context. Hell, the entire denomination of Evangelicalism draws its name from evangelion. It is the origin of the word " gospel". There is simply no justifiable argument for linking " evangelion" to this disambig page. It should link to what it is: Good news (Christianity). Everything else is drawn from that meaning. Serendi pod ous 14:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
there is no article that directly called "Evangelion" unless you refer to the Rebuild of Evangelion names, and even then the name isn't known as just "Evangelion". the NGE articles just misuse it as a way to shorten the name, but without any citation. i can understand a disambiguation page for "Neon Genesis Evangelion". Bread Ninja ( talk) 22:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Is there an attempt to hide the fact that other Evangelions were considered by Wikipedia by creating a new disambiguation page, instead of moving this one? Seems like an attempt to cover up the fact that Wikipedia had previous uses, considering the move function was not used, but a new page was written instead. Serendipodous who created the new dab page, then nominated the page history here for deletion. That seems wrong.
65.93.13.210 (
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03:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Let's look at the relevant guideline Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Is_there_a_primary_topic?. Why shouldn't we make this disambiguation page redirect to either NGE TV or NGE franchise article? The section points to 3 useful tools; let's see what they say:
All three suggest we should make this page redirect to the anime and add a hatnote to the 2 religious articles.
There is one possible exception - whether we ought to consider 2 articles which aren't named 'Evangelion' to be 'vital articles' that ought to usurp the name. However, neither the Good News nor Gospel Book article is listed in Wikipedia:Vital articles, and Gospel Book is explicitly rated as low-importance by its wikiproject; Good News is rated high-importance (but like Gospel Book, is just start-class), but on the other hand, NGE TV is also rated high-importance by its wikiproject, so that factor doesn't argue either way. -- Gwern (contribs) 16:25 19 January 2011 (GMT)
let's put it simple. you're logic is "Neon genesis is the most well known series therefore, we should put evangelion simply because it's well known" but you're not trying to point out if NGE anime is most well known as Evangelion. that's why i think it should be in the main franchise, because so many articles with the name evangelion. otherwise we might as well keep the disambiguation page i believe. Bread Ninja ( talk) 16:53, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I can't believe this, I needed to check out something about Evangelion and I got to a goddamn desambiguation page! This page must not exist. This is simply trolling. This is simply preposterous. Bass-Kuroi ( talk) 14:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
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This page ought to be redirected to Neon Genesis Evangelion (I wish I knew how) rather than disambiguated. PhoenixSeraph 23:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
As an anonymous user, it seems I can't follow the process to nominate this article for deletion. However, if I could, I would, for this reason:
Wikipedia is not a dictionary. This article is a dictionary definition of the word "evangelion", and as such, doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Furthermore, having it in Wikipedia is problematic because many readers will be looking for an article called "Evangelion" and expecting to find Neon Genesis Evangelion. The word is very seldom used except in the context of that television series. For most readers who ask Wikipedia about "evangelion", the current Evangelion article is the wrong answer to the question; so it shouldn't be the default.
The more appropriate structure, instead of an article with the dictionary definition under Evangelion and a pointer there to Neon Genesis Evangelion, would be a redirect from Evangelion to Neon Genesis Evangelion and a pointer there to the definition, which could be put in Wiktionary or included as a section in the Neon Genesis Evangelion article. I note that the present Evangelion article apparently originated as a section of the Neon Genesis Evangelion article - so maybe what I'm suggesting would be better described as a "merge" instead of a "deletion" anyway. 129.97.79.144 15:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. J'onn J'onzz 13:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This page has been
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Wiktionary. The article has content that is useful at Wiktionary. Therefore the article can be found at either here or here ( logs 1 logs 2.) Note: This means that the article has been copied to the Wiktionary Transwiki namespace for evaluation and formatting. It does not mean that the article is in the Wiktionary main namespace, or that it has been removed from Wikipedia's. Furthermore, the Wiktionarians might delete the article from Wiktionary if they do not find it to be appropriate for the Wiktionary. Removing this tag will usually trigger CopyToWiktionaryBot to re-transwiki the entry. This article should have been removed from Category:Copy to Wiktionary and should not be re-added there. |
-- CopyToWiktionaryBot 19:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Up to 2008, at least, the anime term Evangelion has had no overlap with other Wikipedia entires, and no overlap with words in English, despite the fact that the word clearly has European roots. You can check the lack of entries at a dictionary website: evangelium, evangelion. It is only known because of the anime. In 2009, the only overlap that exists now is the album that's expected to be released in late 2009. Now, is the convenience of redirecting Evangelion to Neon Genesis Evangelion worth giving the album publicity by putting a disambig header link at the Neon Genesis Evangelion page? Hard to tell. — Tokek ( talk) 03:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I can't believe that there is even discussion in giving a 20-year-old anime parity with 2000 years of religious evolution. Any book on theology will cite evangelion in its proper context. Hell, the entire denomination of Evangelicalism draws its name from evangelion. It is the origin of the word " gospel". There is simply no justifiable argument for linking " evangelion" to this disambig page. It should link to what it is: Good news (Christianity). Everything else is drawn from that meaning. Serendi pod ous 14:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
there is no article that directly called "Evangelion" unless you refer to the Rebuild of Evangelion names, and even then the name isn't known as just "Evangelion". the NGE articles just misuse it as a way to shorten the name, but without any citation. i can understand a disambiguation page for "Neon Genesis Evangelion". Bread Ninja ( talk) 22:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Is there an attempt to hide the fact that other Evangelions were considered by Wikipedia by creating a new disambiguation page, instead of moving this one? Seems like an attempt to cover up the fact that Wikipedia had previous uses, considering the move function was not used, but a new page was written instead. Serendipodous who created the new dab page, then nominated the page history here for deletion. That seems wrong.
65.93.13.210 (
talk)
03:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Let's look at the relevant guideline Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Is_there_a_primary_topic?. Why shouldn't we make this disambiguation page redirect to either NGE TV or NGE franchise article? The section points to 3 useful tools; let's see what they say:
All three suggest we should make this page redirect to the anime and add a hatnote to the 2 religious articles.
There is one possible exception - whether we ought to consider 2 articles which aren't named 'Evangelion' to be 'vital articles' that ought to usurp the name. However, neither the Good News nor Gospel Book article is listed in Wikipedia:Vital articles, and Gospel Book is explicitly rated as low-importance by its wikiproject; Good News is rated high-importance (but like Gospel Book, is just start-class), but on the other hand, NGE TV is also rated high-importance by its wikiproject, so that factor doesn't argue either way. -- Gwern (contribs) 16:25 19 January 2011 (GMT)
let's put it simple. you're logic is "Neon genesis is the most well known series therefore, we should put evangelion simply because it's well known" but you're not trying to point out if NGE anime is most well known as Evangelion. that's why i think it should be in the main franchise, because so many articles with the name evangelion. otherwise we might as well keep the disambiguation page i believe. Bread Ninja ( talk) 16:53, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I can't believe this, I needed to check out something about Evangelion and I got to a goddamn desambiguation page! This page must not exist. This is simply trolling. This is simply preposterous. Bass-Kuroi ( talk) 14:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)