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Does anyone have the TIME / DURATION between when the call was made to police and when the bomb/bombs detonated? Not that it mitigates or changes anything but maybe this example might illustrate where why I'm asking. A call placed minutes before vs. a call placed an hour, or two hours, or a day before the bomb(s) exploded speaks to intentions and the thought process of E. Rudolph. (EDIT: Found this on Richard Jewell's Page "He discovered the bag and alerted Georgia Bureau of Investigation officers. This discovery was nine minutes before Rudolph called 9-1-1 to deliver a warning. Jewell and other security guards began clearing the immediate area so that a bomb squad could investigate the suspicious package. The bomb exploded 13 minutes later, killing Alice Hawthorne and injuring over one hundred others. A cameraman also died of a heart attack while running to cover the incident." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.90.238.145 ( talk) 20:13, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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I find the formulation "Christian terrorist" to be NPOV and I refute the analogy to calling Charles Manson a "psychopathic mass murderer". Groupthink's argument is sophistic. Groupthink is concealing the fact that the single word "Christian" itself has a multitude of connotations. Groupthink is also disregarding (possibly in part out of genuine ignorance) some facts of semantics (the science of meaning): (1) a phrase (a conjunction of two or more words) may possibly have multiple meanings; (2) any one meaning of a phrase is not necessarily *compositional* (simply the compound of the meanings of the phrase's constitutents); (3) the term "meaning" encompasses *denotations* and *connotations*. Connotations are associations contingent and relatively unstable in space or time; they are "extra meanings". These associations can be held by an individual, a demographic subgroup, or by society at large. In this case, the meaning "person who has committed terrorist acts and is also a Christian" is only one meaning of the phrase "Christian terrorist" -- and not necessarily the one that would first come to mind. In contrast, the phrase "psychopathic mass murderer" either has only a single narrowly defined meaning or a narrow range of meaning, with probably no connotations at the subcultural or society wide level. The most natural interpretation of "Christian terrorist" is "terrorist whose terrorism is motivated by their Christian beliefs". "Christian terrorist" is NOT analogous to, say, "French terrorist", which does not (except in the mind of very few persons) *connote* "terrorist whose terrorist acts were motivated by their life experience of being French". At a morphosyntactic level, the '-ist' in "French terrorist" has (usually) logical scope only over the word 'terror', but the '-ist' in "Christian terrorist" usually has logical scope of the phrase "Christian terror".
Now, I am not claiming the impossibility of a terrorist being motivated by Christian beliefs, the impossibility that "Christian terror" in some time and place there has existed (or could come into existence); not at all. There are at least two objections: (1) "Christianity" is not a *narrowly* defined set of beliefs; (2) people often are motivated by misunderstandings. To elaborate. Christianity is a vast range of rival sets of doctrines. It is true they all have a common core, I think it is inflammatory and false to claim that the core Christian beliefs alone are enough to have motivated Rudolph to commit his specific acts. By definition, all Christians share certain beliefs, but only a few would commit the bombings he committed. So to allude to his religious motivations, "Christian" is not specific enough, plus the question of whether Rudolph understands the Christian subtenets he justifies himself by is a major one. Hurmata ( talk) 23:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I hate to say it, but the "hicks" who edit the Random House and American Heritage dictionaries disagree with you: [1]. :-P Groupthink ( talk) 13:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)There is no such word as "syntactics".
Groupthink, thanks for the cogent, well-reasoned post; it merits a thoughtful reply. Here’s why referring to ERR as a “Christian terrorist is wrong.
Hope that makes my position clearer. IronDuke 16:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
We should not believe that Groupthink means to characterize Rudolph as someone who is both a terrorist and a Christian. The reason not to believe this is that the vast majority of the population of Europe and its offspring nations (USA, Canada, Australia, Latin America) -- 2/3 to 3/4 -- is Christian. (In the USA, only 3% are ethnic Jews, some of whom are atheists, and only about 1% are Muslim. Some Americans are agnostics of Christian family background, and some are atheist.) The vast majority of American architects are Christian architects, the vast majority of American plumbers are Christian plumbers. To call Rudolph a Christian terrorist *in this sense* would be stupid and not notable. So users like Groupthink are just playing a game, wanting to insinutate one thing yet claiming to want to report something different. In a *second* sense, of Christian as a *demographic* group, there are no Christian terrorists in America. In the Lebanese civil war, you did have Muslim terrorists and Christian terrorists. In Northern Ireland you did have Protestant terrorists and Catholic terrorists -- again, sociopolitically, not ideologically. Men in one group in Northern Ireland weren't killing people in the other group justifying themselves by Bible verses and Christian sectarian dogma. In a *third* sense, that there might be terrorists in America who commit terrorism out of Christian belief, Rudolph is one of 17 or so such people out of about 300 million American Christians, so it would be POV to call him a Christian terrorist in *that* sense, plus it is plain that Christian terrorism in an *ideological* sense doesn't even exist in America. In this regard, note that statistically, nearly all the victims of people like Rudolph would be Christians, per my first point. So for *that* reason it wouldn't make sense to call Rudolph an *ideologically* C.T. Hurmata ( talk) 05:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't see the point. They were deemed sufficient for several years - and then evidently Wikiality took over and the term was removed. This sort of thing diminishes Wikipedia. 72.94.69.45 ( talk) 18:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there a source for the April 13, 2005 statement listed on this article? The quote on the Centennial Olympic Park bombing page is considerably different than the version listed on this page. The full quote according to that article is "In the summer of 1996, the world converged upon Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection and auspices of the regime in Washington millions of people came to celebrate the ideals of global socialism. Multinational corporations spent billions of dollars, and Washington organized an army of security to protect these best of all games. Even though the conception and purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is to promote the values of global socialism, as perfectly expressed in the song Imagine by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 Games even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these despicable ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27 was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the Games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested."
However the quote in this article paraphrases this without giving an indication portions of the text have been removed. Should these edits be indicated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrProsser ( talk • contribs) 01:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Stating that Rudolph "is a terrorist" in the first sentence, and that the FBI "considers him a terrorist" in the next sentence is a bit contradictory, I think. Girlwithgreeneyes ( talk) 17:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Eric Rudolph. Favonian ( talk) 00:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Eric Robert Rudolph → Eric Rudolph – WP:UCN: It appears to me that he is most commonly referred to as "Eric Rudolph". I get around 10 times as many g-hits from "Eric Rudolph" as compared to "Eric Robert Rudolph". Eric Rudolph already redirects here, so there is no disambiguation issue that the middle name is dealing with. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
What is the point of the last section of this article? It seems to be very out of place and strongly under an agenda of denying prisoner's rights to write letters. It really has no place in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCEE:CD90:6CF3:7FFB:9B65:4AFE ( talk) 18:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
John Walsh considers him a "psychopath"? Of what relevance is this? John Walsh is a media personality and anti-crime activist, but he has no professional or academic qualifications to diagnose/profile someone with psychopathy. It should be deleted-- it's just a random famous person's personal opinion, doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.87.129 ( talk) 22:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
The final paragraph of the "Motivations" section is out of place, in its current form. It describes the article subject's opinion of evangelists and his opinion of reading the Bible vs Nietzsche:
In a letter to his mother from prison, Rudolph has written, "Many good people continue to send me money and books. Most of them have, of course, an agenda; mostly born-again Christians looking to save my soul. I suppose the assumption is made that because I'm in here I must be a 'sinner' in need of salvation, and they would be glad to sell me a ticket to heaven, hawking this salvation like peanuts at a ballgame. I do appreciate their charity, but I could really do without the condescension. They have been so nice I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible."
Perhaps someone was so taken with the quote they thought it had to be included somewhere (wikiquotes works). What does this have to do with his motivations? Is it trying to say that he isn't particularly Christian, so those religious motives shouldn't be imputed to his attacks? Well that is quite a leap from saying he prefers Nietzsche. And in any event, such an argument needs to be made explicit (and shouldn't of course be original research). I think just a long random quote from one of his letters with no prefatory remarks stands to be edited. Snarfblaat ( talk) 00:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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Hello @ Acroterion: - what's with the revert of the inclusion of the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in the introduction? That's his only action that has its own article, and the one bombing specifically cited in nearly every published source about Rudolph, while the other bombings are not always cited. In the lead, emphasis is to be "given to material [that] should reflect its relative importance to the subject" ( MOS:LEADREL). Thanks Infoman99 ( talk) 02:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Just watched the series manhunt and it's based on a book and it definitely nixed that he was anti-abortion as the abortion clinic bombings were set up to kill first responders which it did. he took up the anti-abortion so as to gain help. it didn't really make a case that he was anti-gay either but again trying to kill first responders. in the motivation section there is a lot said but it seems to slant that he was a christian fundamentalist and white supremacist which does not appear to be true. thoughts? SailedtheSeas ( talk) 06:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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There are no less than six reliable sources in the Motivations section which definitively peg Rudolph as a Christian terrorist. I'm sorry, but to pretend otherwise is to bury ones head in the sand. There is nothing nuanced or complicated here, and if you disagree, I would kindly request that you apply your own standards to Osama bin Laden and remove all references to Islamic terrorism from his article in turn. Groupthink ( talk) 00:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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Does anyone have the TIME / DURATION between when the call was made to police and when the bomb/bombs detonated? Not that it mitigates or changes anything but maybe this example might illustrate where why I'm asking. A call placed minutes before vs. a call placed an hour, or two hours, or a day before the bomb(s) exploded speaks to intentions and the thought process of E. Rudolph. (EDIT: Found this on Richard Jewell's Page "He discovered the bag and alerted Georgia Bureau of Investigation officers. This discovery was nine minutes before Rudolph called 9-1-1 to deliver a warning. Jewell and other security guards began clearing the immediate area so that a bomb squad could investigate the suspicious package. The bomb exploded 13 minutes later, killing Alice Hawthorne and injuring over one hundred others. A cameraman also died of a heart attack while running to cover the incident." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.90.238.145 ( talk) 20:13, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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I find the formulation "Christian terrorist" to be NPOV and I refute the analogy to calling Charles Manson a "psychopathic mass murderer". Groupthink's argument is sophistic. Groupthink is concealing the fact that the single word "Christian" itself has a multitude of connotations. Groupthink is also disregarding (possibly in part out of genuine ignorance) some facts of semantics (the science of meaning): (1) a phrase (a conjunction of two or more words) may possibly have multiple meanings; (2) any one meaning of a phrase is not necessarily *compositional* (simply the compound of the meanings of the phrase's constitutents); (3) the term "meaning" encompasses *denotations* and *connotations*. Connotations are associations contingent and relatively unstable in space or time; they are "extra meanings". These associations can be held by an individual, a demographic subgroup, or by society at large. In this case, the meaning "person who has committed terrorist acts and is also a Christian" is only one meaning of the phrase "Christian terrorist" -- and not necessarily the one that would first come to mind. In contrast, the phrase "psychopathic mass murderer" either has only a single narrowly defined meaning or a narrow range of meaning, with probably no connotations at the subcultural or society wide level. The most natural interpretation of "Christian terrorist" is "terrorist whose terrorism is motivated by their Christian beliefs". "Christian terrorist" is NOT analogous to, say, "French terrorist", which does not (except in the mind of very few persons) *connote* "terrorist whose terrorist acts were motivated by their life experience of being French". At a morphosyntactic level, the '-ist' in "French terrorist" has (usually) logical scope only over the word 'terror', but the '-ist' in "Christian terrorist" usually has logical scope of the phrase "Christian terror".
Now, I am not claiming the impossibility of a terrorist being motivated by Christian beliefs, the impossibility that "Christian terror" in some time and place there has existed (or could come into existence); not at all. There are at least two objections: (1) "Christianity" is not a *narrowly* defined set of beliefs; (2) people often are motivated by misunderstandings. To elaborate. Christianity is a vast range of rival sets of doctrines. It is true they all have a common core, I think it is inflammatory and false to claim that the core Christian beliefs alone are enough to have motivated Rudolph to commit his specific acts. By definition, all Christians share certain beliefs, but only a few would commit the bombings he committed. So to allude to his religious motivations, "Christian" is not specific enough, plus the question of whether Rudolph understands the Christian subtenets he justifies himself by is a major one. Hurmata ( talk) 23:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I hate to say it, but the "hicks" who edit the Random House and American Heritage dictionaries disagree with you: [1]. :-P Groupthink ( talk) 13:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC)There is no such word as "syntactics".
Groupthink, thanks for the cogent, well-reasoned post; it merits a thoughtful reply. Here’s why referring to ERR as a “Christian terrorist is wrong.
Hope that makes my position clearer. IronDuke 16:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
We should not believe that Groupthink means to characterize Rudolph as someone who is both a terrorist and a Christian. The reason not to believe this is that the vast majority of the population of Europe and its offspring nations (USA, Canada, Australia, Latin America) -- 2/3 to 3/4 -- is Christian. (In the USA, only 3% are ethnic Jews, some of whom are atheists, and only about 1% are Muslim. Some Americans are agnostics of Christian family background, and some are atheist.) The vast majority of American architects are Christian architects, the vast majority of American plumbers are Christian plumbers. To call Rudolph a Christian terrorist *in this sense* would be stupid and not notable. So users like Groupthink are just playing a game, wanting to insinutate one thing yet claiming to want to report something different. In a *second* sense, of Christian as a *demographic* group, there are no Christian terrorists in America. In the Lebanese civil war, you did have Muslim terrorists and Christian terrorists. In Northern Ireland you did have Protestant terrorists and Catholic terrorists -- again, sociopolitically, not ideologically. Men in one group in Northern Ireland weren't killing people in the other group justifying themselves by Bible verses and Christian sectarian dogma. In a *third* sense, that there might be terrorists in America who commit terrorism out of Christian belief, Rudolph is one of 17 or so such people out of about 300 million American Christians, so it would be POV to call him a Christian terrorist in *that* sense, plus it is plain that Christian terrorism in an *ideological* sense doesn't even exist in America. In this regard, note that statistically, nearly all the victims of people like Rudolph would be Christians, per my first point. So for *that* reason it wouldn't make sense to call Rudolph an *ideologically* C.T. Hurmata ( talk) 05:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't see the point. They were deemed sufficient for several years - and then evidently Wikiality took over and the term was removed. This sort of thing diminishes Wikipedia. 72.94.69.45 ( talk) 18:47, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there a source for the April 13, 2005 statement listed on this article? The quote on the Centennial Olympic Park bombing page is considerably different than the version listed on this page. The full quote according to that article is "In the summer of 1996, the world converged upon Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection and auspices of the regime in Washington millions of people came to celebrate the ideals of global socialism. Multinational corporations spent billions of dollars, and Washington organized an army of security to protect these best of all games. Even though the conception and purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is to promote the values of global socialism, as perfectly expressed in the song Imagine by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 Games even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these despicable ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27 was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the Games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested."
However the quote in this article paraphrases this without giving an indication portions of the text have been removed. Should these edits be indicated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrProsser ( talk • contribs) 01:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Stating that Rudolph "is a terrorist" in the first sentence, and that the FBI "considers him a terrorist" in the next sentence is a bit contradictory, I think. Girlwithgreeneyes ( talk) 17:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Eric Rudolph. Favonian ( talk) 00:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Eric Robert Rudolph → Eric Rudolph – WP:UCN: It appears to me that he is most commonly referred to as "Eric Rudolph". I get around 10 times as many g-hits from "Eric Rudolph" as compared to "Eric Robert Rudolph". Eric Rudolph already redirects here, so there is no disambiguation issue that the middle name is dealing with. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:54, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
What is the point of the last section of this article? It seems to be very out of place and strongly under an agenda of denying prisoner's rights to write letters. It really has no place in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCEE:CD90:6CF3:7FFB:9B65:4AFE ( talk) 18:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
John Walsh considers him a "psychopath"? Of what relevance is this? John Walsh is a media personality and anti-crime activist, but he has no professional or academic qualifications to diagnose/profile someone with psychopathy. It should be deleted-- it's just a random famous person's personal opinion, doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.87.129 ( talk) 22:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
The final paragraph of the "Motivations" section is out of place, in its current form. It describes the article subject's opinion of evangelists and his opinion of reading the Bible vs Nietzsche:
In a letter to his mother from prison, Rudolph has written, "Many good people continue to send me money and books. Most of them have, of course, an agenda; mostly born-again Christians looking to save my soul. I suppose the assumption is made that because I'm in here I must be a 'sinner' in need of salvation, and they would be glad to sell me a ticket to heaven, hawking this salvation like peanuts at a ballgame. I do appreciate their charity, but I could really do without the condescension. They have been so nice I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible."
Perhaps someone was so taken with the quote they thought it had to be included somewhere (wikiquotes works). What does this have to do with his motivations? Is it trying to say that he isn't particularly Christian, so those religious motives shouldn't be imputed to his attacks? Well that is quite a leap from saying he prefers Nietzsche. And in any event, such an argument needs to be made explicit (and shouldn't of course be original research). I think just a long random quote from one of his letters with no prefatory remarks stands to be edited. Snarfblaat ( talk) 00:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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Hello @ Acroterion: - what's with the revert of the inclusion of the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in the introduction? That's his only action that has its own article, and the one bombing specifically cited in nearly every published source about Rudolph, while the other bombings are not always cited. In the lead, emphasis is to be "given to material [that] should reflect its relative importance to the subject" ( MOS:LEADREL). Thanks Infoman99 ( talk) 02:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Just watched the series manhunt and it's based on a book and it definitely nixed that he was anti-abortion as the abortion clinic bombings were set up to kill first responders which it did. he took up the anti-abortion so as to gain help. it didn't really make a case that he was anti-gay either but again trying to kill first responders. in the motivation section there is a lot said but it seems to slant that he was a christian fundamentalist and white supremacist which does not appear to be true. thoughts? SailedtheSeas ( talk) 06:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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There are no less than six reliable sources in the Motivations section which definitively peg Rudolph as a Christian terrorist. I'm sorry, but to pretend otherwise is to bury ones head in the sand. There is nothing nuanced or complicated here, and if you disagree, I would kindly request that you apply your own standards to Osama bin Laden and remove all references to Islamic terrorism from his article in turn. Groupthink ( talk) 00:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)