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OK, note to self - stands at 93 words on Jan 22, before exapnding for crack at DYK. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The writing in this article is very bad. The summary paragraph is a mish-mash of statements strung in sequence without logical connection or context. (Note that mushrooms do not have symptoms; mushroom poisining has symptoms.) Consider also this sentence: "More recently still, it has been called by its current name of E. sinuatum." This sentence says nothing and is a tautology. Of course it will be called by its current name more recently than any older names. Or consider this setnce which leads off a section: "Appearing as a medium to large mushroom, this bears a cap usually 6-15 cm wide (2½-6 in), occasionally reaching 25 cm (10 in)." The sentence uses "this" as the leading identifier. It needs an antecedent, particularly since it has a participial clause dependent upon it for context.
The article needs a throrough rewrite before it can even be considered for GA status. This does not consider some of the missing information. For example, the mushrrom is found in North America and Europe... OK, but does that include both Mexico and Alaska? Greece and Norway? It seems unlikely that a mushrrom species would be that widely distributed and not occur on other continents. The article needs more precision in the information it provides. The taxonomy section is also hard to follow because of the many names provided in such a short space. This could be helped by a rewrite, and by utilizing the synonyms= feature of the {{ Taxobox}} template. -- EncycloPetey ( talk) 03:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of February 14, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:
- I ditched agaric as it is a tricker term now anyway given that some gilled fungi are unrelated etc. - so I left it at gilled fungi and linked the gills to the illustrations.cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 19:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC) - tried to jig the last bit too a bit. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 19:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- no problemo - done.cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 19:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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Future improvements could include the use of more images to illustrate the differences between this species and the ones it is mistaken for. More detail of the effects of poisoning and the treatment could also be added. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations.— Million_Moments ( talk) 20:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Yields (search terms "Entoloma sinuatum") Casliber ( talk · contribs) 14:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
1. Title: Trace element levels of mushroom species from East Black Sea region of Turkey Author(s): Tuzen M, Sesli E, Soylak M Source: FOOD CONTROL Volume: 18 Issue: 7 Pages: 806-810 Published: JUL 2007 Times Cited: 21
2. Title: Trace metal contents of higher fungi from Zigana Highland in Turkey Author(s): Sesli E Source: ASIAN JOURNAL OF CHEMISTRY Volume: 19 Issue: 1 Pages: 636-640 Published: JAN-FEB 2007 Times Cited: 5
3. Title: Mercury in mushrooms and soil of the Tarnobrzeska Plain, south-eastern Poland Author(s): Falandysz J Source: JOURNAL OF ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AND HEALTH PART A-TOXIC/HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES & ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING Volume: 37 Issue: 3 Pages: 343-352 Published: 2002 Times Cited: 30
(search terms "Entoloma lividum")
1. Title: ARSENOBETAINE AND OTHER ARSENIC SPECIES IN MUSHROOMS Author(s): BYRNE AR, SLEJKOVEC Z, STIJVE T, et al. Source: APPLIED ORGANOMETALLIC CHEMISTRY Volume: 9 Issue: 4 Pages: 305-313 Published: JUN 1995 Times Cited: 68
2. Title: Regarding the sequela which can leave intoxication due to Entoloma lividum. Author(s): Azoulay L Source: COMPTES RENDUS DES SEANCES DE LA SOCIETE DE BIOLOGIE ET DE SES FILIALES Volume: 89 Pages: 33-34 Published: 1923 Times Cited: 0
NB: Nil results with "Rhodophyllus sinuatus" Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
(1) Aesthetically I actually refer "Smith J" over "Smith, J.", but the latter looks less odd when placed next to "Smith, John" - which I aim for if possible. (2) Had not thought about spaces - my initial thinking is that the period makes a big enough space (3) agreed, will do (4) yes, I like linking if possible consistently. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 21:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm posting here rather than at the FAC since it seems unnecessary to go into details of copyediting there. I'll post a link at the FAC to this section.
I am unclear about the "Despite" sentence, as I said at the FAC; but I now think I understand everything up to that point. I am aware I am probably mangling the specialized meaning of some terms such as "describe", but here's how I would rewrite the first few sentences to convey what I now think they mean:
"The fungus now known as Entoloma sinuatum has had a complicated taxonomic history. The French naturalist Jean Baptiste Bulliard named it Agaricus lividus in his 1788 Champignon de la France. Bulliard did not formally describe it but provided notes that were sufficient to make it clear he was discussing E. sinuatum, although it later became apparent that the illustration accompanying his text actually depicted Pluteus cervinus. Meanwhile, Christian Persoon independently described E. sinuatum under the name Agaricus sinuatus in 1801. German mycologist Paul Kummer, following Persoon's name, moved it to Entoloma in 1871, resulting in the current binomal name; and one year later Lucien Quelet, following Bulliard instead, similarly moved the fungus to Entoloma, resulting in the name Entoloma lividum."
I hope this makes it clearer what I'm trying to get at; for the lay reader the paragraph was very dense, and I hope this is a little easier to navigate. Mike Christie ( talk – library) 03:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay - this is how Reduilh describes it - Bulliard illustrates and names a mushroom Agaricus lividus, along with some notes, which point to it describing a species of Pluteus. Quelet comes along and writes up a new description of Entoloma lividum, but using the name as a reclassification of Bulliard's name, yet ascribes it to what we now know as E. sinuatum. Many if not most authorities, guidebooks etc. follow suit. Meanwhile Persoon (legitimately) describes Agaricus sinuatus which turns out to be the first true description, and Kummer (and some others) follow this name. Bith names appear in print (alongside Rhodophyllus sinuatus, to make things more confusing) Noordeloos points out the error of Bulliard's description, leaving E. sinuatum as the name by precedence. Reduilh (unsuccessfully) proposes the official Conserving of E. lividum. I'll rejig the para now.... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 12:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
[undent] I got the romagnesi article, [1]. It basically and briefly argues there is definite ground to treat E. lividum Quél. and E. sinuatum (Bull. ex Pers.:Fr.) P.Kumm. as separate species, and that's it, and not that helpful since he argues from latin descriptions of both species without saying where they're from. Nordeloos is also given (in Redeuilh, 1995) as having come to a similar conclusion (Persoonia 11:159-74, 1981 and 12(4):457-8, 1985, the latter is also the protologue of E. eulividum), whatever Noordeloos' arguments were, it would appear he had changed his mind by the time he got to his Fungi Europaei monograph. However, I do believe it could be helpful if anybody who has access to it could look up what exactly he says as Redeuilh (1999) calls him "the only monographer to have queried the usage" and presumably he discusses his reasons for reversing his E. eulividum (which is only justified if E. sinuatum is not a synonym).
As a side note, Bulliard's "Agaric sinué" is VERY different in illustration from his A. lividus. Circéus ( talk) 21:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
( edit conflict) Nice. I like it. It is sequential and explanatory. Nothing leaps out as copyeditable. "saga" is definitely the right word. Even though it is a theoretical combination, I have never seen Rhodophyllus lividus used as the primary name, but seen it written as a synonym. The other three are all through my old fungus books. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Didier Dufresne, 1999, "La vengeance de l'entolome livide" Sasata ( talk) 19:19, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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OK, note to self - stands at 93 words on Jan 22, before exapnding for crack at DYK. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 13:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The writing in this article is very bad. The summary paragraph is a mish-mash of statements strung in sequence without logical connection or context. (Note that mushrooms do not have symptoms; mushroom poisining has symptoms.) Consider also this sentence: "More recently still, it has been called by its current name of E. sinuatum." This sentence says nothing and is a tautology. Of course it will be called by its current name more recently than any older names. Or consider this setnce which leads off a section: "Appearing as a medium to large mushroom, this bears a cap usually 6-15 cm wide (2½-6 in), occasionally reaching 25 cm (10 in)." The sentence uses "this" as the leading identifier. It needs an antecedent, particularly since it has a participial clause dependent upon it for context.
The article needs a throrough rewrite before it can even be considered for GA status. This does not consider some of the missing information. For example, the mushrrom is found in North America and Europe... OK, but does that include both Mexico and Alaska? Greece and Norway? It seems unlikely that a mushrrom species would be that widely distributed and not occur on other continents. The article needs more precision in the information it provides. The taxonomy section is also hard to follow because of the many names provided in such a short space. This could be helped by a rewrite, and by utilizing the synonyms= feature of the {{ Taxobox}} template. -- EncycloPetey ( talk) 03:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of February 14, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:
- I ditched agaric as it is a tricker term now anyway given that some gilled fungi are unrelated etc. - so I left it at gilled fungi and linked the gills to the illustrations.cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 19:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC) - tried to jig the last bit too a bit. cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 19:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- no problemo - done.cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 19:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be
reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far.
Million_Moments (
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16:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of February 14, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:
Future improvements could include the use of more images to illustrate the differences between this species and the ones it is mistaken for. More detail of the effects of poisoning and the treatment could also be added. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations.— Million_Moments ( talk) 20:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Yields (search terms "Entoloma sinuatum") Casliber ( talk · contribs) 14:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
1. Title: Trace element levels of mushroom species from East Black Sea region of Turkey Author(s): Tuzen M, Sesli E, Soylak M Source: FOOD CONTROL Volume: 18 Issue: 7 Pages: 806-810 Published: JUL 2007 Times Cited: 21
2. Title: Trace metal contents of higher fungi from Zigana Highland in Turkey Author(s): Sesli E Source: ASIAN JOURNAL OF CHEMISTRY Volume: 19 Issue: 1 Pages: 636-640 Published: JAN-FEB 2007 Times Cited: 5
3. Title: Mercury in mushrooms and soil of the Tarnobrzeska Plain, south-eastern Poland Author(s): Falandysz J Source: JOURNAL OF ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AND HEALTH PART A-TOXIC/HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES & ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING Volume: 37 Issue: 3 Pages: 343-352 Published: 2002 Times Cited: 30
(search terms "Entoloma lividum")
1. Title: ARSENOBETAINE AND OTHER ARSENIC SPECIES IN MUSHROOMS Author(s): BYRNE AR, SLEJKOVEC Z, STIJVE T, et al. Source: APPLIED ORGANOMETALLIC CHEMISTRY Volume: 9 Issue: 4 Pages: 305-313 Published: JUN 1995 Times Cited: 68
2. Title: Regarding the sequela which can leave intoxication due to Entoloma lividum. Author(s): Azoulay L Source: COMPTES RENDUS DES SEANCES DE LA SOCIETE DE BIOLOGIE ET DE SES FILIALES Volume: 89 Pages: 33-34 Published: 1923 Times Cited: 0
NB: Nil results with "Rhodophyllus sinuatus" Casliber ( talk · contribs) 00:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
(1) Aesthetically I actually refer "Smith J" over "Smith, J.", but the latter looks less odd when placed next to "Smith, John" - which I aim for if possible. (2) Had not thought about spaces - my initial thinking is that the period makes a big enough space (3) agreed, will do (4) yes, I like linking if possible consistently. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 21:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm posting here rather than at the FAC since it seems unnecessary to go into details of copyediting there. I'll post a link at the FAC to this section.
I am unclear about the "Despite" sentence, as I said at the FAC; but I now think I understand everything up to that point. I am aware I am probably mangling the specialized meaning of some terms such as "describe", but here's how I would rewrite the first few sentences to convey what I now think they mean:
"The fungus now known as Entoloma sinuatum has had a complicated taxonomic history. The French naturalist Jean Baptiste Bulliard named it Agaricus lividus in his 1788 Champignon de la France. Bulliard did not formally describe it but provided notes that were sufficient to make it clear he was discussing E. sinuatum, although it later became apparent that the illustration accompanying his text actually depicted Pluteus cervinus. Meanwhile, Christian Persoon independently described E. sinuatum under the name Agaricus sinuatus in 1801. German mycologist Paul Kummer, following Persoon's name, moved it to Entoloma in 1871, resulting in the current binomal name; and one year later Lucien Quelet, following Bulliard instead, similarly moved the fungus to Entoloma, resulting in the name Entoloma lividum."
I hope this makes it clearer what I'm trying to get at; for the lay reader the paragraph was very dense, and I hope this is a little easier to navigate. Mike Christie ( talk – library) 03:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay - this is how Reduilh describes it - Bulliard illustrates and names a mushroom Agaricus lividus, along with some notes, which point to it describing a species of Pluteus. Quelet comes along and writes up a new description of Entoloma lividum, but using the name as a reclassification of Bulliard's name, yet ascribes it to what we now know as E. sinuatum. Many if not most authorities, guidebooks etc. follow suit. Meanwhile Persoon (legitimately) describes Agaricus sinuatus which turns out to be the first true description, and Kummer (and some others) follow this name. Bith names appear in print (alongside Rhodophyllus sinuatus, to make things more confusing) Noordeloos points out the error of Bulliard's description, leaving E. sinuatum as the name by precedence. Reduilh (unsuccessfully) proposes the official Conserving of E. lividum. I'll rejig the para now.... Casliber ( talk · contribs) 12:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
[undent] I got the romagnesi article, [1]. It basically and briefly argues there is definite ground to treat E. lividum Quél. and E. sinuatum (Bull. ex Pers.:Fr.) P.Kumm. as separate species, and that's it, and not that helpful since he argues from latin descriptions of both species without saying where they're from. Nordeloos is also given (in Redeuilh, 1995) as having come to a similar conclusion (Persoonia 11:159-74, 1981 and 12(4):457-8, 1985, the latter is also the protologue of E. eulividum), whatever Noordeloos' arguments were, it would appear he had changed his mind by the time he got to his Fungi Europaei monograph. However, I do believe it could be helpful if anybody who has access to it could look up what exactly he says as Redeuilh (1999) calls him "the only monographer to have queried the usage" and presumably he discusses his reasons for reversing his E. eulividum (which is only justified if E. sinuatum is not a synonym).
As a side note, Bulliard's "Agaric sinué" is VERY different in illustration from his A. lividus. Circéus ( talk) 21:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
( edit conflict) Nice. I like it. It is sequential and explanatory. Nothing leaps out as copyeditable. "saga" is definitely the right word. Even though it is a theoretical combination, I have never seen Rhodophyllus lividus used as the primary name, but seen it written as a synonym. The other three are all through my old fungus books. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Didier Dufresne, 1999, "La vengeance de l'entolome livide" Sasata ( talk) 19:19, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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