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Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 16:56, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
The December issue is available here. Delivered by MeegsC ( talk) 09:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Please let me know if this is not the place to ask this question. I am asking here because it is specialized to our subject area, not a general Wikipedia/editing question. I have also been looking around the useful information at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life to see if there's a style guide or similar that might spell this out, but haven't found that yet.
To narrow it down, I am going to use Cystofilobasidium macerans as a specific example.
The question is:
When naming the authority for who established the name of a given fungi species, if there is a history of the species being established under one phylogeny, then moved in order, genus and family, then moved in genus again, the name and date that should be listed as the authority in the Taxoboxes is:
I assumed it would be the first option, that the moment the organism has a specific name, that is the moment it is established and the person and date should come from that publication.
However, when looking at IndexFungorum and MycoBank for Cystofilobasidium macerans, both seem to list "Samp. 2009", despite, in IndexFungorum's case, noting that it has an older synonym. What's up with that? Is it somehow a mistake? Or related to the 2011 folding in of teleomorphs and anamorphs? A product of me misreading these sources?
A follow up question is:
When trying to identify who should be cited, is it considered original research to observe who is the last author on the paper establishing a genus or species (etc) ourselves? Or should we wait until IndexFungorum or MycoBank or a similar source have themselves identified which individual name should be used as the authority? My working assumption is yes, we should wait until it is stated. And if we find those sources appear to be wrong, we should alert those repositories with the evidence we think we have and remedy it that way.
As you might suspect, my example isn't arbitrary. I am working on a draft for Cystofilobasidium macerans and ran into these questions while trying to figure out who to list, and how to format it. MariahKRogers ( talk) 09:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
The January issue of the lichen task force newsletter is available here. Delivered by MeegsC ( talk) 03:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Let me know if this is the wrong place for this topic, new to wikipedia, but ongoing fungi and iNat enthusiast.
I am most interested in identification of fungi and have been adding descriptions, distinguishing features, and similar species since that is what helps me the most when I am learning a new fungus. I have just started adding, so far I've added brief excerpts on Amanita Brunnescens, Hypoxylon fragiforme, Rhizomarasmius pyrrhocephalus, Peroneutypa scoparia, Diatrype virescens, Rosellinia subiculata, Stereum lobatum, and Trametes gibbosa. I did these specifically because I have been collecting ID information and more on many different species on a google sheet as I have been learning them, and realized I could store that info for the public here on Wikipedia.
I am reaching out on this talk page because I know that I will eventually fizzle out on this, so I want to make it more fun / social by finding others with a similar goal in mind. A small task force to go through these articles would be cool. I am based in NorthEast US so I have been doing species I am familiar with in that area, but would love to learn from people in different areas.
Some loose themes I try to keep in mind while writing to keep things consistent:
- Explain uncommon words with link and parentheses if possible. Makes it easier for newcomers. Mycological word barf can easily dissuade otherwise eager individuals.
- Including distinguishing features and similar species, so that a reader can actually identify the fungus.
- General consolidation of information. One of my biggest frustrations in learning mycology is how hard it is to find simple information, especially for fungi with not much literature. I might find a description on one blog, pictures on another, microscopy on a research paper, and similar species on another blog. One place, Wikipedia!
Let me know if this makes sense and if you are interested in targeting genera / certain articles. Thank you.
Emrosie ( talk) 19:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Medicinal fungi#Requested move 31 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
The April issue of the lichen task force newsletter is available here. Delivered by MeegsC ( talk) 21:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
WikiProject Fungi page. |
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Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12Auto-archiving period: 90 days |
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This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 5 sections are present. |
Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 16:56, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
The December issue is available here. Delivered by MeegsC ( talk) 09:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello! Please let me know if this is not the place to ask this question. I am asking here because it is specialized to our subject area, not a general Wikipedia/editing question. I have also been looking around the useful information at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life to see if there's a style guide or similar that might spell this out, but haven't found that yet.
To narrow it down, I am going to use Cystofilobasidium macerans as a specific example.
The question is:
When naming the authority for who established the name of a given fungi species, if there is a history of the species being established under one phylogeny, then moved in order, genus and family, then moved in genus again, the name and date that should be listed as the authority in the Taxoboxes is:
I assumed it would be the first option, that the moment the organism has a specific name, that is the moment it is established and the person and date should come from that publication.
However, when looking at IndexFungorum and MycoBank for Cystofilobasidium macerans, both seem to list "Samp. 2009", despite, in IndexFungorum's case, noting that it has an older synonym. What's up with that? Is it somehow a mistake? Or related to the 2011 folding in of teleomorphs and anamorphs? A product of me misreading these sources?
A follow up question is:
When trying to identify who should be cited, is it considered original research to observe who is the last author on the paper establishing a genus or species (etc) ourselves? Or should we wait until IndexFungorum or MycoBank or a similar source have themselves identified which individual name should be used as the authority? My working assumption is yes, we should wait until it is stated. And if we find those sources appear to be wrong, we should alert those repositories with the evidence we think we have and remedy it that way.
As you might suspect, my example isn't arbitrary. I am working on a draft for Cystofilobasidium macerans and ran into these questions while trying to figure out who to list, and how to format it. MariahKRogers ( talk) 09:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
The January issue of the lichen task force newsletter is available here. Delivered by MeegsC ( talk) 03:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Let me know if this is the wrong place for this topic, new to wikipedia, but ongoing fungi and iNat enthusiast.
I am most interested in identification of fungi and have been adding descriptions, distinguishing features, and similar species since that is what helps me the most when I am learning a new fungus. I have just started adding, so far I've added brief excerpts on Amanita Brunnescens, Hypoxylon fragiforme, Rhizomarasmius pyrrhocephalus, Peroneutypa scoparia, Diatrype virescens, Rosellinia subiculata, Stereum lobatum, and Trametes gibbosa. I did these specifically because I have been collecting ID information and more on many different species on a google sheet as I have been learning them, and realized I could store that info for the public here on Wikipedia.
I am reaching out on this talk page because I know that I will eventually fizzle out on this, so I want to make it more fun / social by finding others with a similar goal in mind. A small task force to go through these articles would be cool. I am based in NorthEast US so I have been doing species I am familiar with in that area, but would love to learn from people in different areas.
Some loose themes I try to keep in mind while writing to keep things consistent:
- Explain uncommon words with link and parentheses if possible. Makes it easier for newcomers. Mycological word barf can easily dissuade otherwise eager individuals.
- Including distinguishing features and similar species, so that a reader can actually identify the fungus.
- General consolidation of information. One of my biggest frustrations in learning mycology is how hard it is to find simple information, especially for fungi with not much literature. I might find a description on one blog, pictures on another, microscopy on a research paper, and similar species on another blog. One place, Wikipedia!
Let me know if this makes sense and if you are interested in targeting genera / certain articles. Thank you.
Emrosie ( talk) 19:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Medicinal fungi#Requested move 31 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 18:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
The April issue of the lichen task force newsletter is available here. Delivered by MeegsC ( talk) 21:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)