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The entry currently says "seventh-tallest building in New York City, the ninth-tallest completed skyscraper in the United States, the 54th-tallest in the world, and the sixth-tallest freestanding structure in the Americas." There is no way this can be the 6th-tallest freestanding structure in all the Americas if it also only the 7th-tallest in just NY and the ninth-tallest in the US. All skyscrapers are freestanding structures SFAIK. I think this just means that the freestanding structure list has quite a lot of new skyscrapers missing from it. Maybe the best thing to do is just remove that mention, although of course one could spend a lot of time updating and merging the lists so that they actually make sense, then update the entry with the correct ranking. Wookey ( talk) 23:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
The competing claims in the intro that the empire state building is the 6th-tallest freestanding structure in the western hemisphere, but also the 7th-tallest building in new york city is logically inconsistent. The other buildings in New York City alone are themselves also freestanding structures in the western hemisphere, right? 68.197.183.151 ( talk) 02:12, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
I've already changed the statement that "the drawings were done in two weeks" to something more realistic. Nobody, least of all in 1928, designs and engineers a house in two weeks, much less a 103-story building. I think an initial concept came out in two weeks, and from what I see from an unciteable-but-probably-correct blog, the seventeenth variation was taken for development in October 1928. Shreve, Lab & Harmon were contracted on September 9. There is no doubt that it was fast-tracked, but we need to stay away from confident assertions that design was completed on two weeks - that would result in unbuildable drawings, or just plain disaster. Construction didn't start until March 1930, and the site wasn't even fully assembled until November 1929. Design took about a year. I'm looking for definite sources that don't repeat what WP says. Acroterion (talk) 04:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Navigating from the introduction to the 'Zeppelin' page, I noticed that the section under 'spire' in the 'Architecture' article mentions rather ambiguously mentions "docking", and only later in the paragraph refers to "airships"
Thus, for clarity, in the first paragraph of the Architecture > Spire > Above the 102nd floor section, I would suggest inserting this sentence copied directly from the introduction to the article on Zeppelins after the first sentence; "... above the 86th floor."
"The spire of the Empire State Building was originally designed to serve as a mooring mast for zeppelins and other airships, although it was found that high winds made that impossible and the plan was abandoned.[5]", as well as its corresponding footnote. Revloren ( talk) 17:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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The entry currently says "seventh-tallest building in New York City, the ninth-tallest completed skyscraper in the United States, the 54th-tallest in the world, and the sixth-tallest freestanding structure in the Americas." There is no way this can be the 6th-tallest freestanding structure in all the Americas if it also only the 7th-tallest in just NY and the ninth-tallest in the US. All skyscrapers are freestanding structures SFAIK. I think this just means that the freestanding structure list has quite a lot of new skyscrapers missing from it. Maybe the best thing to do is just remove that mention, although of course one could spend a lot of time updating and merging the lists so that they actually make sense, then update the entry with the correct ranking. Wookey ( talk) 23:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
The competing claims in the intro that the empire state building is the 6th-tallest freestanding structure in the western hemisphere, but also the 7th-tallest building in new york city is logically inconsistent. The other buildings in New York City alone are themselves also freestanding structures in the western hemisphere, right? 68.197.183.151 ( talk) 02:12, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
I've already changed the statement that "the drawings were done in two weeks" to something more realistic. Nobody, least of all in 1928, designs and engineers a house in two weeks, much less a 103-story building. I think an initial concept came out in two weeks, and from what I see from an unciteable-but-probably-correct blog, the seventeenth variation was taken for development in October 1928. Shreve, Lab & Harmon were contracted on September 9. There is no doubt that it was fast-tracked, but we need to stay away from confident assertions that design was completed on two weeks - that would result in unbuildable drawings, or just plain disaster. Construction didn't start until March 1930, and the site wasn't even fully assembled until November 1929. Design took about a year. I'm looking for definite sources that don't repeat what WP says. Acroterion (talk) 04:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Navigating from the introduction to the 'Zeppelin' page, I noticed that the section under 'spire' in the 'Architecture' article mentions rather ambiguously mentions "docking", and only later in the paragraph refers to "airships"
Thus, for clarity, in the first paragraph of the Architecture > Spire > Above the 102nd floor section, I would suggest inserting this sentence copied directly from the introduction to the article on Zeppelins after the first sentence; "... above the 86th floor."
"The spire of the Empire State Building was originally designed to serve as a mooring mast for zeppelins and other airships, although it was found that high winds made that impossible and the plan was abandoned.[5]", as well as its corresponding footnote. Revloren ( talk) 17:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)