This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 25 | ← | Archive 29 | Archive 30 | Archive 31 | Archive 32 | Archive 33 | Archive 34 |
This article does not address one major issue, which is the reason for his self destruction. I am sure there are sources out there that could provide an explanation regarding the reasons for his excessive prescription drug use. - Mistercontributer ( talk) 17:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
The main reason for Presley's substance abuse was addiction. He claimed he could quit any time, but in reality that is something every addict claims. The longer he took these drugs the more he required to get the hit he was seeking. Some argue that Presley was on a path of self destruction, but I have always disagreed with that opinion. Presley loved his life, loved his family, loved his fans and career. The substance abuse affected the way he portrayed himself on stage and privately, but I don't believe he was purposely aiming for self destruction. I think he was just another addict who thought he was indestructible and could handle what he was taking. "Death? It won't happen to me!". As Pstoller points out above, finding factual evidence would be almost impossible as the only person who really knows is no longer here to discuss it. ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 09:58, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change "Elvis Aaron Presley" to "Elvis Aron Presley" evidence for this request can be seen by this YouTube video at the one minuet mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2sUZ16hpmU&list=PL4708288DABCA70F3 As seen in this documentary of Elvis if you skip to one minuet into the video they explain that Elvis changed the spelling of his middle name to one "A" rather than 2 so that his name was closer to his twins name Garon who sadly past away.
Thank you, Kind Regards Robert Holmes 80.0.73.29 ( talk) 20:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change a plain-text Elvis (early in the article) to a link to the article Elvis (name) i.e. Elvis > Elvis
Regards, 203.6.146.5 ( talk) 03:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I wish to add a small contribution about his attraction to minors and how he had sleepovers with them, touched them inappropriately, dated several teens along with Priscilla, even gave her amphetamines so she'd stay awake and have relations with other girls while he watched . Other users take down this information once posted, even with references, and I do not understand why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XMitsuomiX ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
In the 3rd-5th paragraphs of the Sam Philipps and Sun Records section the year is not specified.-- Trouveur de faits ( talk) 14:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I notice that the Wikipedia article states that the most likely cause of death was combined drug intoxication, however after viewing a television program ( http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dead-famous-dna/4od#3671953) in which a study was done into Elvis' DNA, it was shown that he had a variation within his genes which causes several conditions such as obesity. After doing some research into one of the conditions, it was most likely that he died from what is known as 'Heart Muscle Disease'.
I strongly recommend that someone further investigates this, and if need be, amends the page. Morganjp ( talk) 16:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Elvis Presley is not "the is the best-selling solo artist in the history of recorded music,[5][6][7][8] with **estimated** album sales of around 600 million units worldwide" Do the math on it!
Also, the sources used are pages from various books where the authors got THIER sources from??? I thought wiki was stringent about these kinds of things??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.74.28 ( talk) 03:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Elvis' record label is now with Sony since RCA has sold its contract and releases to SONY/BMG. All re-releases, new releases and the unreleased material ("Follow That Dream" records) are being released through Sony as it become an official release as of 2010 when Elvis RCA contract was expired. 65.26.91.175 ( talk) 16:15, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Does the fact that a handful of nutcases and attention-seekers have spent decades perpetuating the utter nonsense that Elvis is alive really belong in this featured article? It seems to violate WP:FRINGE, WP:UNDUE, etc. Joefromrandb ( talk) 05:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Looking for information but no sources / links for claim in Discography section of number one hits in many other countries? Anyone help out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.91.6 ( talk) 14:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Elvis Presley's Jewish Roots Highlighted on his 35th ... www.algemeiner.com › Arts and Culture › Music Aug 16, 2012 - According to Talmudic law, whereby one is considered a Jew by matrilineal descent, then Elvis Aron Presley is indeed a member of the tribe by ... Was Elvis Presley Jewish? - Aish.com www.aish.com/j/f/48945606.html Apr 14, 2007 - In 1998, The Wall Street Journal published an article titled, "All Shook Up in the Holy Land" exposing Elvis Presley's unlikely Jewish lineage. Jewish Elvis - Elvis Presley News www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html Jewish Elvis, Elvis Presley Jewish Heritage, Elvis Jewish Ancestry, Presley Family Tree. By Ken Levine: Was Elvis Jewish? kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/07/was-elvis-jewish.html by Ken Levine - in 335 Google+ circles Jul 17, 2013 - There's a book called SCHMELVIS: IN SEARCH OF ELVIS PRESLEY'S JEWISH ROOTS by Jonathan Goldstein & Max Wallace. But unlike ... Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe - The Jewish Museum in ... www.amuseum.org/jahf/nomination/elvis_article.html Thus Elvis Presley was Jewish the old fashioned way – through maternal descent, while Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth Taylor and Sammy Davis Junior all ... Images for elvis presley was jewishReport images
More images for elvis presley was jewish Yes, Elvis Was Jewish - Debbie Schlussel www.debbieschlussel.com/.../yes-elvis-was-jewish-on-the-35th-anniversa... Aug 16, 2012 - All mothers in Elvis Presley's birth line run uninterrupted from the Jewish grandmother, Ms. Tacket, and then through all of his descending ... [PDF] Elvis was Jewish! - Jewish American Society for Historic ... www.jewish-american-society-for-historic-preservation.org/.../Elvis_was... 1. Elvis was Jewish! You have got to be kidding? Publicity photo Jailhouse Rock -1957. My wife and I are Elvis Presley fans. She says, there is something about ... Elvis Presley Family History : 1669-1935 - Elvis Australia www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_family_history.shtml Nov 26, 2011 - Elvis Presley Elvis Presley 1800-1935 Family History. ... It was unusual to find a Jewish settler in Mississippi during this time. All accounts point ... There you go, see he was Jewish, at least Jewish on his Mother's side which in and accorind to Jewish law means that he was halachically Jewish. Thank-you. :) ( 120.149.122.57 ( talk) 08:27, 24 June 2014 (UTC))
Information on this is incomplete and does both sides a disservice. My edits remedied this to a degree and should be re-established. I know Wikipedia doesn't have a reputation for being neutral, tends to reflect orthodox fanaticism, and its pillar of neutrality and dispute resolution process are pretty much jokes, but it should be neutral.-- Trouveur de faits ( talk) 10:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
As far as I could find, information on Magnum Opus Enterprises does not say whether or not it is a self-publishing company. Such companies are not necessarily unreliable sources. Also, if you exclude it on these grounds then you have to also exclude the Patrick Lacy reference as Author House is a self-publishing company. And there should be separate sections for alternative theories or a separate section for alternative theories in general. The "Questions over cause of death" section is certainly not balanced and includes only 1 viewpoint--typical, shameful, and unacceptable Wikipedia practice. Even the information on the accidental OD theory by Thompson and Cole was deleted-- Trouveur de faits ( talk) 13:39, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
'That afternoon, Ginger Alden discovered him unresponsive on his bathroom floor...'
An editor just added this text today, sourced to "Alan Hanson" who has self-published one book on Elvis and who runs a Elvis history blog. Should this be considered a reliable source? There is an accompanying link to a USA Today article which appears to be written by a journalist who was googling for Elvis content and came up with Hanson's blog. I'm concerned this is degrading the sourcing of the article. -- Laser brain (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Whether or not Elvis committed suicide is neither here nor there. The fact is that DAvid Stanley, his stepbrother said that it was suicide. I know this kind of information won't be included because you're a bunch of jackasses.-- Trouveur de faits ( talk) 10:57, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Elvis Presley has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
birth_place =
Tupelo, Mississippi, U.S.
birth_place =
Longtown aka East Tupelo, Mississippi, U.S.
173.14.90.209 ( talk) 23:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I came here to read about Presley's declining health and death, and was surprised to see that the article doesn't even state what killed him (ie, the official doctor's ruling). I think it was a heart attack, and probably most people know/assume this, but surely the article should say it outright? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.193.29 ( talk) 19:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Elvis Presley has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I would like to add an external link to the elvis presley page. www.msg1972.com Susan2447 ( talk) 14:56, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I assume the AfDM is an April Fool's joke, but can we delete it without going through a bureaucratic process? Pstoller ( talk) 07:45, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it can be confidently asserted what his ancestry was. He certainly doesn't look like he had predominantly European ancestry. It is false to assume the official birth, death, and marriage records are correct, particularly in an era when illegitimacy and racism were burning issues, and when the family involved was poor and uneducated.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 03:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
You have misconstrued my comment.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:35, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I am quite surprised that there isn't a section on conspiracy theories regarding his death. I am not suggesting any of them are true, but theories relating to his death would have to be some of the most notable conspiracy theories in American popular culture, along with JFK and Monroe. Did there used to be a section which was later deleted? Simgrant ( talk) 03:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
1) I don't understand for the life of me why on the front page here, "Piano" is missing from the list of instruments Elvis played, as it is clearly documented throughout his career that he played piano on a number of his records, including being documented in the highly acclaimed and credible book on his recording career "Elvis Presley: A Life in Music - The Complete Recording Sessions" by Ernst Jorgensen. He is also on film playing the piano live in concert. Why is that instrument not listed here for EP?
2) It has also been documented in quite a number of books on EP, many which I've read, including the aforementioned book "The Complete Recording Sessions," that Elvis arranged and produced the large majority of his RCA non-movie soundtrack records. Steve Sholes was listed as producer (that's just how they did it then) of his 1950s to early '60s stuff, and sometimes with Chet Atkins, but it's been stated repeatedly by the studio engineers who worked with Elvis, and Elvis' own musicians themselves that very early into starting at RCA in '56, now away from the relaxed comfort of Sun Records and Sam Philips' guiding hand, Elvis realized quickly that he was getting virtually no help at all in the studio from Sholes, (who was just an A&R man) nor Atkins, and Elvis called up Sam Philips kinda nervous and asked him for some advice. Philips told Elvis that he (Elvis) knew what he wanted and that he had worked with him (Philips) long enough and had learned enough to take control himself, which by all accounts from people there in the studio with him, was exactly what Elvis did. Later on when Elvis hired Felton Jarvis as his "producer," Jarvis was there to take care of business, but he basically did exactly what Elvis wanted, from instruments, to back-up singers, to song arrangements - everything. It's talked about in the book I've mentioned, it's discussed in the big booklet that comes with the 1950s "King of Rock and Roll" box set, and it's discussed in several other books - right from the guys there with Elvis in the studio. Elvis was his own arranger and producer for much of his non-movie stuff. The '69 Memphis sessions were produced by Chips Moman, but even there Elvis had disagreements with him at times, but mostly let Moman have his way since he had agreed to that at the beginning. Elvis' gospel albums actually say "Arranged by Elvis Presley." This is even touched on in a YouTube video I watched recently, titled "AMS Lecture Series: Albin Zak -- Elvis Presley's "Hound Dog"." The professor of musicology in the video is giving a lecture and discusses this for a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame event. Should Elvis not be listed as an Arranger/Producer, even if only for his own music? He deserves that credit, I might add. Elvis was an extraordinary song interpreter, he could take something previously done and make it into something else completely different - and aside from his voice, his own arranging/producing skills are precisely what allowed him to do this so brilliantly throughout his career.
3) Elvis was also known throughout his lifetime as being extremely generous and giving. Having grown up in abject poverty, he was particularly sensitive and caring about people who were struggling, once he had millions. He gave countless donations to not only many charities, and not only family and friends, but to strangers on the street that looked like they were in need. He bought cars for strangers, he paid their hospital bills, there are countless examples of Elvis' huge generosity - and Elvis did it because he wanted to, not because he wanted good press. He said himself "Money is just paper if it isn't used to help somebody." Maybe it's here and I missed it, but shouldn't this be here on his page as well?
I'm not just throwing this stuff out there willy nilly - these are facts, and they should be documented in any comprehensive encyclopedia entry on Elvis Presley. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrioticHippie ( talk • contribs) 13 April 2015 09:09 (UTC)
Alright, maybe "Philanthropy" is the wrong word here, fair enough. I won't argue the point. But Presley's massive generosity is known to anyone on the planet who knows a lick about him and his life, and it should've been in his page long ago. As for the rest, I'll try to make it brief, as with all due respect, I'm thinking it's pointless. I don't believe George Harrison was or is "primarily known" as a "sitar" player, and Elvis played piano live and in the studio far more than George ever played sitar, but sure enough "sitar" is there for George - as is John Lennon apparently "primarily known" as a "harmonica" player, despite using it on basically a handful of early Beatle tracks before it disappeared. Other examples are endless, but again, I won't argue the point. As for producer or arranger credits, everything I said earlier aside, Presley is clearly credited as "arranger" on his Gospel albums. But I get the feeling it doesn't matter. ( PatrioticHippie ( talk) 06:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC) )
I'm not concerned about his piano playing being discussed on his front page here, all I wanted to know is why "piano" is not listed in the infobox thingy under "Instruments" he played, as, I'll say it again, he played it; not regularly, but on occasion throughout his career, including live on film, and this fact is for just one of many sources, included in the book I've listed here previously, "Elvis Presley: The Complete Recording Sessions" by Ernst Jorgensen. Nothing "vague" about it, and I assure you it is a very-well thought out and painstakingly done, reliable, verifiable, and highly professional and beautiful hunk of publication, by a man who has complete RCA/BMG/EPE cooperation on anything Elvis, and first hand official access to Elvis' master RCA session tapes and studio recording log books. Short of sending you a copy of Jorgensen's book, or copies of other sources, I guess there isn't much I can do. At any rate, I wasn't aware prior that the artist has to be "known for" playing the particular instrument. Nothing "difficult" about it, that part simply makes no sense to me. Elvis' arranging activities are also discussed in the book, and as I said earlier, his gospel albums "clearly" list him as "Arranger" right on the album back covers. But I can't send copies of the albums and the book.
What qualifies as "verifiable" etc, that part I guess I find "vague" and obviously subjective, and I guess I simply don't understand the strictness of standards as to why he must be "known for" playing it, as he obviously to anyone who knows his career certainly played it enough to be simply listed as an instrument he played. It's not like he played it three or four times in 1956, and never again. Moreover, since originally writing this entry here, I've noticed under the "Instruments" box in Mick Jagger's article that it says he plays "guitar and piano" - and so by the apparent standards of this website which I've been given, Mick Jagger is "primarily known for" playing guitar and piano. In some other universe maybe, but not this one.
Also, again, Presley's huge generosity has been massively documented from the time he became famous, and it isn't even mentioned here. A very well-known and documented trait of the man. Are there no "reliable sources" for this either? Why not say there are no reliable sources that John Lennon wore glasses? No mention of EP's generosity alone is incredibly ridiculous, even without "Piano" not even being listed in the "Instruments" he played box. In fact, there doesn't seem to be much here at all about his extremely well-documented personal life regarding his hobbies and things he was known for - "huge generosity, his huge love of cars and collecting them, his airplanes, Karate, football, other things." Nope, it's just the smut - "drugs and his demise, his divorce, women, racial garbage etc..." A whole lot about the drugs. This website has been here too long now for someone like Elvis Presley's article to be so void of clear and obvious facts about the man to anyone who knows about him, other than plenty of the smutty parts. Anyone coming in here will certainly get plenty about that stuff, and if they don't know much about Elvis Presley in general, they'll at least take the smut away from their reading experience.
I'm not sure what the agenda is exactly in regard to Presley's article here, but it's curious to me. I know this page has been very well locked down through the years, and I've even tried to make small edits about small but well-documented facts, only to be deleted and brushed off with the "reliable, verifiable sources" stuff. After all of the various versions of this EP article, and all of the edits posted in, and taken back out, I simply cannot grasp how EP's hugely famous generosity is not in here after all these years, nor a simple acknowledgement, based on fact, of "Piano" being included in his "Instruments" box. No, he wasn't Elton John or Jerry Lee Lewis, but he played the instrument through his career more than enough to be credited for it in such a simple manner. I just don't get it. Thanks for the feedback. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 10:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Pstoller and --Laser brain: As for Elvis playing "piano," when I have enough time, I'll try and collect some page numbers, quotes, info and whatnot from the book I mentioned, and other sources - and I'm sure the video of him playing "Unchained Melody" live is on YouTube. These things are the only "links" I'm capable of providing. I'm assuming you guys know about Elvis Presley, since you're apparently in charge of his article, so I'm still a bit curious about why I need to supply this on this particular point, but if that's the policy, so be it. Again, all I requested was "piano" be put into his "Instruments" infobox, not that his piano playing in particular needs to be discussed in the article.
His producing/arranging of his own recordings, (non-movie stuff) I can dig up some of the same things as for piano. It would seem relevant in the article of a musical artist, especially since he's never gotten credit for it officially, except on his gospel albums - and I'm thinking that was probably because his gospel work was so close to his heart. Years ago, I always just assumed that Steve Sholes "produced" Elvis' earlier RCA stuff, since he was listed as Producer - but his producing duties as far as the music have since been documented in multiple sources as basically bringing in demos he thought Elvis might like, supplying any additional musicians or back-up vocalists etc that Elvis requested in particular, and sitting up in the control booth with a cup of coffee and watching the clock, while Elvis ran things down in the studio and the actual making of the records with complete final say. Later on, Felton Jarvis, who did apply himself more than Sholes in the actual "producing" effort in the studio, still mainly did the same things as Sholes above, and did exactly what Elvis wanted him to, with Elvis having the final say on the tracks and everything involved. Just something about Elvis' actual role in the Producing/Arranging process would be fair. As I said, I'll dig up some stuff on this - pages and quotes, etc, soon as I can. I would never just take something from a "fan site." LOL I understand the unreliability of that.
As to the rest, to follow on what you've said, Pstoller, it would be great to include a section on his "generosity," as Elvis' was/is legendary, and it should be pointed out in his Wiki article. Hopefully you can get that going at some point.
As far as his hobbies, same thing, I guess. His particular hobbies, he is well known for them. His planes, his Cadillacs and other cars, karate, whatever else. He loved his automobiles and he loved planes too - they are part of the Graceland tour, as some of his various automobiles are. A "Hobbies" section with all of this included would be a great and worthy addition to his article. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 05:34, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Pstoller: OK, I understand the point completely now. I guess my point ultimately was simply - Unfortunately, while "we" know Elvis played the piano, anyone coming in here who does not know a lot about him, and wants to know if he ever did, will leave here believing he did not, as unfortunately many people these days simply think "Wikipedia" anytime they think they would like to know something. I wish the standards for the rest of the articles here for musical artists were as strict as Elvis' article gets. Jerry Lee Lewis is apparently "known for" playing "guitar," and Buddy Holly is apparently known for playing not only piano, but the violin and the banjo, no less. Never seen any of that from either of them in my lifetime, but hot damn, good for Buddy and Jerry Lee. Well, at least "guitar" managed to squeak into Elvis' page, He actually had strings in his and everything. I don't agree with your standards in this case, but I do grasp the point you're making and what you're telling me. I don't mean any ill will towards you, but this annoys the hell outta me to the point where I'm just going to forget Elvis Presley has an article here. Again, it's too bad these stringent standards are not applied across the board here at Wiki, but I do appreciate and thank you for your feedback, as well as you saving me the time of doing what I said was going to in my previous entry. I guess there's no need. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 14:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Some sources:
Wasn't 'In The Ghetto' a major hit for Elvis in 1969? I see no mention of it. Of course, the article is already very long but I remember this as a major change of tone for Elvis at least on AM radio Seki1949 ( talk) 07:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
One aspect of Elvis Presley's career that sets him apart from virtually all of his 1950s contemporaries is that unlike Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, Johnny Cash, Chuck Berry, Bill Haley, Little Richard and others is that while all these individuals rerecorded their greatest hits, often multiple times, as their careers went on, Elvis rarely did. There was a technical requirement to rerecord Blue Suede Shoes for GI Blues, and he was convinced to rerecord Love Letters by the song's writer who felt the arrangement could be improved upon, and for the 1968 TV Special he redid A Little Less Conversation along with several other tracks for the show. But otherwise he never released an album of remakes. Of course, it could be argued that his numerous live albums served the same purpose, but I think it's worth noting anyway. 68.146.52.234 ( talk) 16:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
The article erroneously states that the number of annual visitors makes Graceland the second most-visited house in the country after the White House. However, the Biltmore Estate page says that Biltmore House receives almost 1 million per year, which well exceeds the totals for Graceland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CF:4402:9680:C8F2:2E07:1450:2D45 ( talk) 18:28, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
There are a number of things that need clarification in this section.
The article states he was Scottish and German. Based on the discussions and sources I’ve seen, his surname is possibly of Scottish or German origin, but it is uncertain which of those it is. In one of the archives, I saw two possible family trees, one leading back to Scotland, and the other back to Germany. Is it true we don’t know which is correct? If so, stating he was “Scottish and German” seems too strong an assertion. If this ancestor was German, it would be his only known German ancestor, but since we don’t know, placing him in the “American people of German descent” category is questionable.
Claiming a person born in 1935 to be of French Norman descent seems odd as well, since the Normans were an ancient ethnic group that existed around the 11th century! Ethnically, they were Scandinavian, and not what one would consider in recent years as “French,” so the “American people of French descent” tag for Elvis should go.
Quite a large percentage of people with ancestors from the UK have “Norman French” ancestors, so this isn’t novel nor all that significant. In essence, “Norman French” has become synonymous with “English.” Tidewater 2014 ( talk) 17:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Both the authenticity and relevance of this photo have been questioned. Best to discuss and reach consensus. As for its authenticity, the source seems reliable. The photo was found here in the Library of Congress, and there's nothing to indicate that the photographer, Carol M. Highsmith, was misleading in her description of the location. I suppose the question is whether the photo is relevant? Magnolia677 ( talk) 22:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Elvis was born in East Tupelo, Mississippi, not Tupelo -- they were miles apart. At the time of his birth, these were two separate municipalities with their own mayors etc.. In fact, Elvis' grandfather Jesse's brother, Noah Presley, was elected mayor of East Tupelo on January 7th, 1936. Bubonicnate ( talk) 10:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Elvis Presley's cause of death was pronounced as "Cardiac Arrhythmia" which is defined as "an irregular and ineffective heart beat". Over use of drugs is what lead to this arrhythmia but the proper medical way to pronounce a death is not by "drug overdose" but by "drug endured cardiac arrhythmia". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbymariemcguire ( talk • contribs) 21:49, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Since this thread seems to be a mish-mash of all things Elvis related then I suggest that the link to Elvis.com should be taken down, since that site is defunct (it redirects to a shopping website). I don't know what the he** the guys and girls at Authentic Brands at taking down the website of the world's first superstar and the world's first bad boy of rock. Probably the only major name in entertainment that doesn't have his own website! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.208.181.44 ( talk) 13:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a paragraph in the article about "numerous alleged sightings of Presley" since his death. This is an encyclopedia, not a soapbox for silly conspiracy theorists. I suggest it be removed. Magnolia677 ( talk) 04:39, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
You have a wrong picture in the article Julie Parrish. It's a picture of Marianna Hill from Paradise, Hawaiian Style. You have made a mistake because the two girls were in this Elvis movie. Please, can you remove this wrong image in the Parrish article. Thank you. -- Danielvis08 ( talk) 15:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Elvis-nixon.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on December 21, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-12-21. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 23:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
{{ POTD/2015-12-21}}
Need some assistance from editors following articles:-
Prior extensive discussion can be also found at this Enforcement report and Reliable sources noticeboard, but right now on the article talk pages, it is only between me and other editor. Excelse ( talk) 11:13, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Media & Entertainment
20 Stocks to Buy NOW NOV 6, 2015 @ 01:00 PM 28,175 VIEWS Elvis Presley's 'If I Can Dream' Scores Chart Record With Number 1 Album
More to the point, he is the biggest-selling solo artist of all time, according to Sony , with more than a billion records sold worldwide.
forbes article. please change that elvis has indeed sold over a billion records. thank you. 104.226.209.42 ( talk) 17:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
On this page, the description of the mug shot contains inaccuracies one would not expect from a FA:
As a pretty long term wikipedia editor, including being more involved with this article for some time, I've seen too many articles become collections of near trivia including numerous photographs, lists, etc... I DO appreciate the effort someone put into finding and posting that photo, but I also support Pstoller's suggested edit of removing it from the article. Steve Pastor ( talk) 18:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
The section "Lost in Hollywood" seems a bit rushed compared to the other sections of the biographical part: it decribes a lot of years in a short space, and in my view does not cover all the major events. Elements worth adding:
As for the "Genres" section, other evidence of his interest in folk are found in the 1971 sessions that yielded "Early Mornin' Rain" and "For Lovin' Me". He then also recorded Kris Kristofferson's "Help Me Make It Through the Night" and informally, he ran through a verse of Dylan's "I Shall Be Released" (first released on the "Walk A Mile In My Shoes" box set). Live in 1970 he performed Tony Joe White's "Polk Salad Annie", "Walk A Mile in my Shoes" by Joe South, and "Proud Mary" by Creedence Clearwater Revival. Together, this string shows that Elvis was aware of contemporary 1970s singer-songwriter rock music to an extent that may be worth covering in the article.
One or more of Elvis' friends, I think Marty Lacker, said that, like many people, Elvis admired Dylan as a songwriter but did not like his voice. With all of this data, I wonder why Elvis's attitude to the Beatles is covered and his assessment of Bob Dylan is ignored. MackyBeth ( talk) 17:20, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
The section "Since 1977", second paragraph, is in need of updating, as it does not mention EP's 2015 induction into the R&B Music Hall of Fame. In this wikilink he is mentioned next to the entry for Macy Gray, with notes to sources. MackyBeth ( talk) 17:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Since the year began I am upgrading the Dutch (D) Wikipedia article with material from this American (A) and the German (G) Wikipedia EP article, and am now up to the change from Sun to RCA. Translating entails close-reading the source, and I noticed some details about the American article which I think may be worth the consideration of the editors here. You may or may not want to change this:
Tomorrow the mainpage of the Dutch Wikipedia will feature a still from Jailhouse Rock and a DYK... that as a twelve-year old, EP brought his guitar to school on a daily basis?
Have a good anniversary! MackyBeth ( talk) 12:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
While working the sources into the Dutch EP article, I noticed an error in two sources. These sources are labeled Rose 2006 and Rose et al. 2010, but in the listed sources the titles are located under the "R" of Rose, just above Roy, but are called Lacey, Rose (et al.). Googled the name and the author is Lacey Rose, so the notes to "Rose" are correct, but the entry in the Sources needs correcting, since they are listed to Lacey, which is her first name. MackyBeth ( talk) 16:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
The section "Since 1977" focuses on commercial successes but neglects the change in music formats. In the 2000s it is no longer an achievement for a re-release to reach number 1, since the overall sales have dropped considerably. On the other hand, the development of EP's reputation as a serious artist deserves coverage. The 1990s saw the three boxed sets covering the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, as well as a double CD with the gospel recordings. This is the first time his total body of music was presented in a coherent way, within the context of the original sessions rather than on patchwork collections. Later the same decade, in 1998, Ernst Jorgensen published his book that describes all of the Recording Sessions. I think this is only the second example of such enterprise, the first being Mark Lewisohn's 1988 book on the Beatles sessions. Some of this must be relevant enough to mention? MackyBeth ( talk) 20:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
It is very unlikely that Elvis made Sgt in a 2-yr hitch. There is a lot of misinformation online about EP: I've read pfc, I've read "discharged in 1964" (incorrect!), etc. A source for this discharge rank (other than a blog) would be an excellent addition to this article. Rags ( talk) 09:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
The section features a quotation by scholar Lindsay Waters, including this fragment: "His voice can not be measured in octaves, but in decibels." Unless a singer's range is limited to less than one octave (which is not the case here), I find it strange to read that a singer's voice can not be measured in octaves. Am I the only one? Usually an internet search for somebody's vocal range turns up the wanted information in a few seconds, for example here For female vocalists. MackyBeth ( talk) 13:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
That part of the larger quote doesn't work very well. If it said the true measure of Presley's voice is not in octaves, or something similar, it might be worthwhile. I agree that the article is not improved by containing that sentence. Steve Pastor ( talk) 23:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
It's still noticeable that this article devotes so little space to the most important side of Elvis' music career: gospel music. To anyone who grew up in the 50s and 60s, it was so apparent that Elvis lived for gospel music. Elvis followed, travelled with, sang with, and supported gospel quartets (The Stamps, The Imperials, The Statesmen, The Jordanaires) and they were a constant presence on stage with him. After every concert, Elvis wound down by jamming the night away with gospel groups. To Elvis, rock and roll was just a sideline that made money. The gospel side of Elvis is the story of Elvis giving away his fortune to poor and needy people, paying their medical expenses, helping their families. Watching the various biographical videos (e.g. He Touched Me) of Elvis reveals the depth of the gospel side of the man. But this article pays very little attention to this side of Elvis - and it's the most interesting part of his story. Santamoly ( talk) 05:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The Sources includes the 1999 new edition of a book by Dave Marsh originally published in 1989. This book is quoted only once, note 272. I plan to use this book to cite examples of vocal style, but I do have the original 1989 edition. For this reason, I had to change the listed edition and I think I am allowed to, as it is only cited once now, and I plan to use it more than once as a source. Does anybody know what is new in the 1999 edition? My 1989 edition runs to 717 pages, the 1999 Da Capo edition has 762 pages, yet the quotation in note 272 apears on the same page in my edition. That can only happen if nothing has changed to the introductory material, and if Da Capo used the 1989 type, which seems a tad unlikely to me. MackyBeth ( talk) 18:53, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
In the section "Racial issues," paragraph two, a rumor is described of an apparently racist remark EP would have made in 1957, but it is entirely unclear what the source of the infamous "shine my shoes"-quote is--I mean, not the original 1957 source of the rumor itself, but the source of its description in this Wikipedia article. The first note after the quotation, numbered 347, is to an online essay/column from the "Atlanta Music Blog" discussing the matter. First of all, this source does not offer the full quotation, and in slightly different words at that, and second, it does not specify where the writer of the essay has the phrase from. Now that's what I call a poor source. So where did the Wikipedia editor of this part found the full quotation? My best guess is Guralnick 1994, but there is no mention of Guralnick there. MackyBeth ( talk) 21:26, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
According to Guaralnick, as reported by PARADE in 1996, Robinson wrote about this in the Aug. 1, 1957 issue of "Jet." Is that the source you found, or should I try ILLIAD to see if anyone has it? Steve Pastor ( talk) 22:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 25 | ← | Archive 29 | Archive 30 | Archive 31 | Archive 32 | Archive 33 | Archive 34 |
This article does not address one major issue, which is the reason for his self destruction. I am sure there are sources out there that could provide an explanation regarding the reasons for his excessive prescription drug use. - Mistercontributer ( talk) 17:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
The main reason for Presley's substance abuse was addiction. He claimed he could quit any time, but in reality that is something every addict claims. The longer he took these drugs the more he required to get the hit he was seeking. Some argue that Presley was on a path of self destruction, but I have always disagreed with that opinion. Presley loved his life, loved his family, loved his fans and career. The substance abuse affected the way he portrayed himself on stage and privately, but I don't believe he was purposely aiming for self destruction. I think he was just another addict who thought he was indestructible and could handle what he was taking. "Death? It won't happen to me!". As Pstoller points out above, finding factual evidence would be almost impossible as the only person who really knows is no longer here to discuss it. ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 09:58, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change "Elvis Aaron Presley" to "Elvis Aron Presley" evidence for this request can be seen by this YouTube video at the one minuet mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2sUZ16hpmU&list=PL4708288DABCA70F3 As seen in this documentary of Elvis if you skip to one minuet into the video they explain that Elvis changed the spelling of his middle name to one "A" rather than 2 so that his name was closer to his twins name Garon who sadly past away.
Thank you, Kind Regards Robert Holmes 80.0.73.29 ( talk) 20:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change a plain-text Elvis (early in the article) to a link to the article Elvis (name) i.e. Elvis > Elvis
Regards, 203.6.146.5 ( talk) 03:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I wish to add a small contribution about his attraction to minors and how he had sleepovers with them, touched them inappropriately, dated several teens along with Priscilla, even gave her amphetamines so she'd stay awake and have relations with other girls while he watched . Other users take down this information once posted, even with references, and I do not understand why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XMitsuomiX ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
In the 3rd-5th paragraphs of the Sam Philipps and Sun Records section the year is not specified.-- Trouveur de faits ( talk) 14:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I notice that the Wikipedia article states that the most likely cause of death was combined drug intoxication, however after viewing a television program ( http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dead-famous-dna/4od#3671953) in which a study was done into Elvis' DNA, it was shown that he had a variation within his genes which causes several conditions such as obesity. After doing some research into one of the conditions, it was most likely that he died from what is known as 'Heart Muscle Disease'.
I strongly recommend that someone further investigates this, and if need be, amends the page. Morganjp ( talk) 16:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Elvis Presley is not "the is the best-selling solo artist in the history of recorded music,[5][6][7][8] with **estimated** album sales of around 600 million units worldwide" Do the math on it!
Also, the sources used are pages from various books where the authors got THIER sources from??? I thought wiki was stringent about these kinds of things??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.74.28 ( talk) 03:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Elvis' record label is now with Sony since RCA has sold its contract and releases to SONY/BMG. All re-releases, new releases and the unreleased material ("Follow That Dream" records) are being released through Sony as it become an official release as of 2010 when Elvis RCA contract was expired. 65.26.91.175 ( talk) 16:15, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Does the fact that a handful of nutcases and attention-seekers have spent decades perpetuating the utter nonsense that Elvis is alive really belong in this featured article? It seems to violate WP:FRINGE, WP:UNDUE, etc. Joefromrandb ( talk) 05:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Looking for information but no sources / links for claim in Discography section of number one hits in many other countries? Anyone help out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.91.6 ( talk) 14:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Elvis Presley's Jewish Roots Highlighted on his 35th ... www.algemeiner.com › Arts and Culture › Music Aug 16, 2012 - According to Talmudic law, whereby one is considered a Jew by matrilineal descent, then Elvis Aron Presley is indeed a member of the tribe by ... Was Elvis Presley Jewish? - Aish.com www.aish.com/j/f/48945606.html Apr 14, 2007 - In 1998, The Wall Street Journal published an article titled, "All Shook Up in the Holy Land" exposing Elvis Presley's unlikely Jewish lineage. Jewish Elvis - Elvis Presley News www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html Jewish Elvis, Elvis Presley Jewish Heritage, Elvis Jewish Ancestry, Presley Family Tree. By Ken Levine: Was Elvis Jewish? kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/07/was-elvis-jewish.html by Ken Levine - in 335 Google+ circles Jul 17, 2013 - There's a book called SCHMELVIS: IN SEARCH OF ELVIS PRESLEY'S JEWISH ROOTS by Jonathan Goldstein & Max Wallace. But unlike ... Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe - The Jewish Museum in ... www.amuseum.org/jahf/nomination/elvis_article.html Thus Elvis Presley was Jewish the old fashioned way – through maternal descent, while Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth Taylor and Sammy Davis Junior all ... Images for elvis presley was jewishReport images
More images for elvis presley was jewish Yes, Elvis Was Jewish - Debbie Schlussel www.debbieschlussel.com/.../yes-elvis-was-jewish-on-the-35th-anniversa... Aug 16, 2012 - All mothers in Elvis Presley's birth line run uninterrupted from the Jewish grandmother, Ms. Tacket, and then through all of his descending ... [PDF] Elvis was Jewish! - Jewish American Society for Historic ... www.jewish-american-society-for-historic-preservation.org/.../Elvis_was... 1. Elvis was Jewish! You have got to be kidding? Publicity photo Jailhouse Rock -1957. My wife and I are Elvis Presley fans. She says, there is something about ... Elvis Presley Family History : 1669-1935 - Elvis Australia www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_family_history.shtml Nov 26, 2011 - Elvis Presley Elvis Presley 1800-1935 Family History. ... It was unusual to find a Jewish settler in Mississippi during this time. All accounts point ... There you go, see he was Jewish, at least Jewish on his Mother's side which in and accorind to Jewish law means that he was halachically Jewish. Thank-you. :) ( 120.149.122.57 ( talk) 08:27, 24 June 2014 (UTC))
Information on this is incomplete and does both sides a disservice. My edits remedied this to a degree and should be re-established. I know Wikipedia doesn't have a reputation for being neutral, tends to reflect orthodox fanaticism, and its pillar of neutrality and dispute resolution process are pretty much jokes, but it should be neutral.-- Trouveur de faits ( talk) 10:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
As far as I could find, information on Magnum Opus Enterprises does not say whether or not it is a self-publishing company. Such companies are not necessarily unreliable sources. Also, if you exclude it on these grounds then you have to also exclude the Patrick Lacy reference as Author House is a self-publishing company. And there should be separate sections for alternative theories or a separate section for alternative theories in general. The "Questions over cause of death" section is certainly not balanced and includes only 1 viewpoint--typical, shameful, and unacceptable Wikipedia practice. Even the information on the accidental OD theory by Thompson and Cole was deleted-- Trouveur de faits ( talk) 13:39, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
'That afternoon, Ginger Alden discovered him unresponsive on his bathroom floor...'
An editor just added this text today, sourced to "Alan Hanson" who has self-published one book on Elvis and who runs a Elvis history blog. Should this be considered a reliable source? There is an accompanying link to a USA Today article which appears to be written by a journalist who was googling for Elvis content and came up with Hanson's blog. I'm concerned this is degrading the sourcing of the article. -- Laser brain (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Whether or not Elvis committed suicide is neither here nor there. The fact is that DAvid Stanley, his stepbrother said that it was suicide. I know this kind of information won't be included because you're a bunch of jackasses.-- Trouveur de faits ( talk) 10:57, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Elvis Presley has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
birth_place =
Tupelo, Mississippi, U.S.
birth_place =
Longtown aka East Tupelo, Mississippi, U.S.
173.14.90.209 ( talk) 23:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I came here to read about Presley's declining health and death, and was surprised to see that the article doesn't even state what killed him (ie, the official doctor's ruling). I think it was a heart attack, and probably most people know/assume this, but surely the article should say it outright? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.193.29 ( talk) 19:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Elvis Presley has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I would like to add an external link to the elvis presley page. www.msg1972.com Susan2447 ( talk) 14:56, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I assume the AfDM is an April Fool's joke, but can we delete it without going through a bureaucratic process? Pstoller ( talk) 07:45, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it can be confidently asserted what his ancestry was. He certainly doesn't look like he had predominantly European ancestry. It is false to assume the official birth, death, and marriage records are correct, particularly in an era when illegitimacy and racism were burning issues, and when the family involved was poor and uneducated.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 03:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
You have misconstrued my comment.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:35, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I am quite surprised that there isn't a section on conspiracy theories regarding his death. I am not suggesting any of them are true, but theories relating to his death would have to be some of the most notable conspiracy theories in American popular culture, along with JFK and Monroe. Did there used to be a section which was later deleted? Simgrant ( talk) 03:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
1) I don't understand for the life of me why on the front page here, "Piano" is missing from the list of instruments Elvis played, as it is clearly documented throughout his career that he played piano on a number of his records, including being documented in the highly acclaimed and credible book on his recording career "Elvis Presley: A Life in Music - The Complete Recording Sessions" by Ernst Jorgensen. He is also on film playing the piano live in concert. Why is that instrument not listed here for EP?
2) It has also been documented in quite a number of books on EP, many which I've read, including the aforementioned book "The Complete Recording Sessions," that Elvis arranged and produced the large majority of his RCA non-movie soundtrack records. Steve Sholes was listed as producer (that's just how they did it then) of his 1950s to early '60s stuff, and sometimes with Chet Atkins, but it's been stated repeatedly by the studio engineers who worked with Elvis, and Elvis' own musicians themselves that very early into starting at RCA in '56, now away from the relaxed comfort of Sun Records and Sam Philips' guiding hand, Elvis realized quickly that he was getting virtually no help at all in the studio from Sholes, (who was just an A&R man) nor Atkins, and Elvis called up Sam Philips kinda nervous and asked him for some advice. Philips told Elvis that he (Elvis) knew what he wanted and that he had worked with him (Philips) long enough and had learned enough to take control himself, which by all accounts from people there in the studio with him, was exactly what Elvis did. Later on when Elvis hired Felton Jarvis as his "producer," Jarvis was there to take care of business, but he basically did exactly what Elvis wanted, from instruments, to back-up singers, to song arrangements - everything. It's talked about in the book I've mentioned, it's discussed in the big booklet that comes with the 1950s "King of Rock and Roll" box set, and it's discussed in several other books - right from the guys there with Elvis in the studio. Elvis was his own arranger and producer for much of his non-movie stuff. The '69 Memphis sessions were produced by Chips Moman, but even there Elvis had disagreements with him at times, but mostly let Moman have his way since he had agreed to that at the beginning. Elvis' gospel albums actually say "Arranged by Elvis Presley." This is even touched on in a YouTube video I watched recently, titled "AMS Lecture Series: Albin Zak -- Elvis Presley's "Hound Dog"." The professor of musicology in the video is giving a lecture and discusses this for a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame event. Should Elvis not be listed as an Arranger/Producer, even if only for his own music? He deserves that credit, I might add. Elvis was an extraordinary song interpreter, he could take something previously done and make it into something else completely different - and aside from his voice, his own arranging/producing skills are precisely what allowed him to do this so brilliantly throughout his career.
3) Elvis was also known throughout his lifetime as being extremely generous and giving. Having grown up in abject poverty, he was particularly sensitive and caring about people who were struggling, once he had millions. He gave countless donations to not only many charities, and not only family and friends, but to strangers on the street that looked like they were in need. He bought cars for strangers, he paid their hospital bills, there are countless examples of Elvis' huge generosity - and Elvis did it because he wanted to, not because he wanted good press. He said himself "Money is just paper if it isn't used to help somebody." Maybe it's here and I missed it, but shouldn't this be here on his page as well?
I'm not just throwing this stuff out there willy nilly - these are facts, and they should be documented in any comprehensive encyclopedia entry on Elvis Presley. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrioticHippie ( talk • contribs) 13 April 2015 09:09 (UTC)
Alright, maybe "Philanthropy" is the wrong word here, fair enough. I won't argue the point. But Presley's massive generosity is known to anyone on the planet who knows a lick about him and his life, and it should've been in his page long ago. As for the rest, I'll try to make it brief, as with all due respect, I'm thinking it's pointless. I don't believe George Harrison was or is "primarily known" as a "sitar" player, and Elvis played piano live and in the studio far more than George ever played sitar, but sure enough "sitar" is there for George - as is John Lennon apparently "primarily known" as a "harmonica" player, despite using it on basically a handful of early Beatle tracks before it disappeared. Other examples are endless, but again, I won't argue the point. As for producer or arranger credits, everything I said earlier aside, Presley is clearly credited as "arranger" on his Gospel albums. But I get the feeling it doesn't matter. ( PatrioticHippie ( talk) 06:53, 19 June 2015 (UTC) )
I'm not concerned about his piano playing being discussed on his front page here, all I wanted to know is why "piano" is not listed in the infobox thingy under "Instruments" he played, as, I'll say it again, he played it; not regularly, but on occasion throughout his career, including live on film, and this fact is for just one of many sources, included in the book I've listed here previously, "Elvis Presley: The Complete Recording Sessions" by Ernst Jorgensen. Nothing "vague" about it, and I assure you it is a very-well thought out and painstakingly done, reliable, verifiable, and highly professional and beautiful hunk of publication, by a man who has complete RCA/BMG/EPE cooperation on anything Elvis, and first hand official access to Elvis' master RCA session tapes and studio recording log books. Short of sending you a copy of Jorgensen's book, or copies of other sources, I guess there isn't much I can do. At any rate, I wasn't aware prior that the artist has to be "known for" playing the particular instrument. Nothing "difficult" about it, that part simply makes no sense to me. Elvis' arranging activities are also discussed in the book, and as I said earlier, his gospel albums "clearly" list him as "Arranger" right on the album back covers. But I can't send copies of the albums and the book.
What qualifies as "verifiable" etc, that part I guess I find "vague" and obviously subjective, and I guess I simply don't understand the strictness of standards as to why he must be "known for" playing it, as he obviously to anyone who knows his career certainly played it enough to be simply listed as an instrument he played. It's not like he played it three or four times in 1956, and never again. Moreover, since originally writing this entry here, I've noticed under the "Instruments" box in Mick Jagger's article that it says he plays "guitar and piano" - and so by the apparent standards of this website which I've been given, Mick Jagger is "primarily known for" playing guitar and piano. In some other universe maybe, but not this one.
Also, again, Presley's huge generosity has been massively documented from the time he became famous, and it isn't even mentioned here. A very well-known and documented trait of the man. Are there no "reliable sources" for this either? Why not say there are no reliable sources that John Lennon wore glasses? No mention of EP's generosity alone is incredibly ridiculous, even without "Piano" not even being listed in the "Instruments" he played box. In fact, there doesn't seem to be much here at all about his extremely well-documented personal life regarding his hobbies and things he was known for - "huge generosity, his huge love of cars and collecting them, his airplanes, Karate, football, other things." Nope, it's just the smut - "drugs and his demise, his divorce, women, racial garbage etc..." A whole lot about the drugs. This website has been here too long now for someone like Elvis Presley's article to be so void of clear and obvious facts about the man to anyone who knows about him, other than plenty of the smutty parts. Anyone coming in here will certainly get plenty about that stuff, and if they don't know much about Elvis Presley in general, they'll at least take the smut away from their reading experience.
I'm not sure what the agenda is exactly in regard to Presley's article here, but it's curious to me. I know this page has been very well locked down through the years, and I've even tried to make small edits about small but well-documented facts, only to be deleted and brushed off with the "reliable, verifiable sources" stuff. After all of the various versions of this EP article, and all of the edits posted in, and taken back out, I simply cannot grasp how EP's hugely famous generosity is not in here after all these years, nor a simple acknowledgement, based on fact, of "Piano" being included in his "Instruments" box. No, he wasn't Elton John or Jerry Lee Lewis, but he played the instrument through his career more than enough to be credited for it in such a simple manner. I just don't get it. Thanks for the feedback. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 10:12, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Pstoller and --Laser brain: As for Elvis playing "piano," when I have enough time, I'll try and collect some page numbers, quotes, info and whatnot from the book I mentioned, and other sources - and I'm sure the video of him playing "Unchained Melody" live is on YouTube. These things are the only "links" I'm capable of providing. I'm assuming you guys know about Elvis Presley, since you're apparently in charge of his article, so I'm still a bit curious about why I need to supply this on this particular point, but if that's the policy, so be it. Again, all I requested was "piano" be put into his "Instruments" infobox, not that his piano playing in particular needs to be discussed in the article.
His producing/arranging of his own recordings, (non-movie stuff) I can dig up some of the same things as for piano. It would seem relevant in the article of a musical artist, especially since he's never gotten credit for it officially, except on his gospel albums - and I'm thinking that was probably because his gospel work was so close to his heart. Years ago, I always just assumed that Steve Sholes "produced" Elvis' earlier RCA stuff, since he was listed as Producer - but his producing duties as far as the music have since been documented in multiple sources as basically bringing in demos he thought Elvis might like, supplying any additional musicians or back-up vocalists etc that Elvis requested in particular, and sitting up in the control booth with a cup of coffee and watching the clock, while Elvis ran things down in the studio and the actual making of the records with complete final say. Later on, Felton Jarvis, who did apply himself more than Sholes in the actual "producing" effort in the studio, still mainly did the same things as Sholes above, and did exactly what Elvis wanted him to, with Elvis having the final say on the tracks and everything involved. Just something about Elvis' actual role in the Producing/Arranging process would be fair. As I said, I'll dig up some stuff on this - pages and quotes, etc, soon as I can. I would never just take something from a "fan site." LOL I understand the unreliability of that.
As to the rest, to follow on what you've said, Pstoller, it would be great to include a section on his "generosity," as Elvis' was/is legendary, and it should be pointed out in his Wiki article. Hopefully you can get that going at some point.
As far as his hobbies, same thing, I guess. His particular hobbies, he is well known for them. His planes, his Cadillacs and other cars, karate, whatever else. He loved his automobiles and he loved planes too - they are part of the Graceland tour, as some of his various automobiles are. A "Hobbies" section with all of this included would be a great and worthy addition to his article. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 05:34, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Pstoller: OK, I understand the point completely now. I guess my point ultimately was simply - Unfortunately, while "we" know Elvis played the piano, anyone coming in here who does not know a lot about him, and wants to know if he ever did, will leave here believing he did not, as unfortunately many people these days simply think "Wikipedia" anytime they think they would like to know something. I wish the standards for the rest of the articles here for musical artists were as strict as Elvis' article gets. Jerry Lee Lewis is apparently "known for" playing "guitar," and Buddy Holly is apparently known for playing not only piano, but the violin and the banjo, no less. Never seen any of that from either of them in my lifetime, but hot damn, good for Buddy and Jerry Lee. Well, at least "guitar" managed to squeak into Elvis' page, He actually had strings in his and everything. I don't agree with your standards in this case, but I do grasp the point you're making and what you're telling me. I don't mean any ill will towards you, but this annoys the hell outta me to the point where I'm just going to forget Elvis Presley has an article here. Again, it's too bad these stringent standards are not applied across the board here at Wiki, but I do appreciate and thank you for your feedback, as well as you saving me the time of doing what I said was going to in my previous entry. I guess there's no need. PatrioticHippie ( talk) 14:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Some sources:
Wasn't 'In The Ghetto' a major hit for Elvis in 1969? I see no mention of it. Of course, the article is already very long but I remember this as a major change of tone for Elvis at least on AM radio Seki1949 ( talk) 07:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
One aspect of Elvis Presley's career that sets him apart from virtually all of his 1950s contemporaries is that unlike Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, Johnny Cash, Chuck Berry, Bill Haley, Little Richard and others is that while all these individuals rerecorded their greatest hits, often multiple times, as their careers went on, Elvis rarely did. There was a technical requirement to rerecord Blue Suede Shoes for GI Blues, and he was convinced to rerecord Love Letters by the song's writer who felt the arrangement could be improved upon, and for the 1968 TV Special he redid A Little Less Conversation along with several other tracks for the show. But otherwise he never released an album of remakes. Of course, it could be argued that his numerous live albums served the same purpose, but I think it's worth noting anyway. 68.146.52.234 ( talk) 16:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
The article erroneously states that the number of annual visitors makes Graceland the second most-visited house in the country after the White House. However, the Biltmore Estate page says that Biltmore House receives almost 1 million per year, which well exceeds the totals for Graceland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CF:4402:9680:C8F2:2E07:1450:2D45 ( talk) 18:28, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
There are a number of things that need clarification in this section.
The article states he was Scottish and German. Based on the discussions and sources I’ve seen, his surname is possibly of Scottish or German origin, but it is uncertain which of those it is. In one of the archives, I saw two possible family trees, one leading back to Scotland, and the other back to Germany. Is it true we don’t know which is correct? If so, stating he was “Scottish and German” seems too strong an assertion. If this ancestor was German, it would be his only known German ancestor, but since we don’t know, placing him in the “American people of German descent” category is questionable.
Claiming a person born in 1935 to be of French Norman descent seems odd as well, since the Normans were an ancient ethnic group that existed around the 11th century! Ethnically, they were Scandinavian, and not what one would consider in recent years as “French,” so the “American people of French descent” tag for Elvis should go.
Quite a large percentage of people with ancestors from the UK have “Norman French” ancestors, so this isn’t novel nor all that significant. In essence, “Norman French” has become synonymous with “English.” Tidewater 2014 ( talk) 17:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Both the authenticity and relevance of this photo have been questioned. Best to discuss and reach consensus. As for its authenticity, the source seems reliable. The photo was found here in the Library of Congress, and there's nothing to indicate that the photographer, Carol M. Highsmith, was misleading in her description of the location. I suppose the question is whether the photo is relevant? Magnolia677 ( talk) 22:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Elvis was born in East Tupelo, Mississippi, not Tupelo -- they were miles apart. At the time of his birth, these were two separate municipalities with their own mayors etc.. In fact, Elvis' grandfather Jesse's brother, Noah Presley, was elected mayor of East Tupelo on January 7th, 1936. Bubonicnate ( talk) 10:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Elvis Presley's cause of death was pronounced as "Cardiac Arrhythmia" which is defined as "an irregular and ineffective heart beat". Over use of drugs is what lead to this arrhythmia but the proper medical way to pronounce a death is not by "drug overdose" but by "drug endured cardiac arrhythmia". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbymariemcguire ( talk • contribs) 21:49, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Since this thread seems to be a mish-mash of all things Elvis related then I suggest that the link to Elvis.com should be taken down, since that site is defunct (it redirects to a shopping website). I don't know what the he** the guys and girls at Authentic Brands at taking down the website of the world's first superstar and the world's first bad boy of rock. Probably the only major name in entertainment that doesn't have his own website! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.208.181.44 ( talk) 13:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
There is a paragraph in the article about "numerous alleged sightings of Presley" since his death. This is an encyclopedia, not a soapbox for silly conspiracy theorists. I suggest it be removed. Magnolia677 ( talk) 04:39, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
You have a wrong picture in the article Julie Parrish. It's a picture of Marianna Hill from Paradise, Hawaiian Style. You have made a mistake because the two girls were in this Elvis movie. Please, can you remove this wrong image in the Parrish article. Thank you. -- Danielvis08 ( talk) 15:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Elvis-nixon.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on December 21, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-12-21. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 23:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
{{ POTD/2015-12-21}}
Need some assistance from editors following articles:-
Prior extensive discussion can be also found at this Enforcement report and Reliable sources noticeboard, but right now on the article talk pages, it is only between me and other editor. Excelse ( talk) 11:13, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Media & Entertainment
20 Stocks to Buy NOW NOV 6, 2015 @ 01:00 PM 28,175 VIEWS Elvis Presley's 'If I Can Dream' Scores Chart Record With Number 1 Album
More to the point, he is the biggest-selling solo artist of all time, according to Sony , with more than a billion records sold worldwide.
forbes article. please change that elvis has indeed sold over a billion records. thank you. 104.226.209.42 ( talk) 17:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
On this page, the description of the mug shot contains inaccuracies one would not expect from a FA:
As a pretty long term wikipedia editor, including being more involved with this article for some time, I've seen too many articles become collections of near trivia including numerous photographs, lists, etc... I DO appreciate the effort someone put into finding and posting that photo, but I also support Pstoller's suggested edit of removing it from the article. Steve Pastor ( talk) 18:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
The section "Lost in Hollywood" seems a bit rushed compared to the other sections of the biographical part: it decribes a lot of years in a short space, and in my view does not cover all the major events. Elements worth adding:
As for the "Genres" section, other evidence of his interest in folk are found in the 1971 sessions that yielded "Early Mornin' Rain" and "For Lovin' Me". He then also recorded Kris Kristofferson's "Help Me Make It Through the Night" and informally, he ran through a verse of Dylan's "I Shall Be Released" (first released on the "Walk A Mile In My Shoes" box set). Live in 1970 he performed Tony Joe White's "Polk Salad Annie", "Walk A Mile in my Shoes" by Joe South, and "Proud Mary" by Creedence Clearwater Revival. Together, this string shows that Elvis was aware of contemporary 1970s singer-songwriter rock music to an extent that may be worth covering in the article.
One or more of Elvis' friends, I think Marty Lacker, said that, like many people, Elvis admired Dylan as a songwriter but did not like his voice. With all of this data, I wonder why Elvis's attitude to the Beatles is covered and his assessment of Bob Dylan is ignored. MackyBeth ( talk) 17:20, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
The section "Since 1977", second paragraph, is in need of updating, as it does not mention EP's 2015 induction into the R&B Music Hall of Fame. In this wikilink he is mentioned next to the entry for Macy Gray, with notes to sources. MackyBeth ( talk) 17:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Since the year began I am upgrading the Dutch (D) Wikipedia article with material from this American (A) and the German (G) Wikipedia EP article, and am now up to the change from Sun to RCA. Translating entails close-reading the source, and I noticed some details about the American article which I think may be worth the consideration of the editors here. You may or may not want to change this:
Tomorrow the mainpage of the Dutch Wikipedia will feature a still from Jailhouse Rock and a DYK... that as a twelve-year old, EP brought his guitar to school on a daily basis?
Have a good anniversary! MackyBeth ( talk) 12:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
While working the sources into the Dutch EP article, I noticed an error in two sources. These sources are labeled Rose 2006 and Rose et al. 2010, but in the listed sources the titles are located under the "R" of Rose, just above Roy, but are called Lacey, Rose (et al.). Googled the name and the author is Lacey Rose, so the notes to "Rose" are correct, but the entry in the Sources needs correcting, since they are listed to Lacey, which is her first name. MackyBeth ( talk) 16:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
The section "Since 1977" focuses on commercial successes but neglects the change in music formats. In the 2000s it is no longer an achievement for a re-release to reach number 1, since the overall sales have dropped considerably. On the other hand, the development of EP's reputation as a serious artist deserves coverage. The 1990s saw the three boxed sets covering the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, as well as a double CD with the gospel recordings. This is the first time his total body of music was presented in a coherent way, within the context of the original sessions rather than on patchwork collections. Later the same decade, in 1998, Ernst Jorgensen published his book that describes all of the Recording Sessions. I think this is only the second example of such enterprise, the first being Mark Lewisohn's 1988 book on the Beatles sessions. Some of this must be relevant enough to mention? MackyBeth ( talk) 20:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
It is very unlikely that Elvis made Sgt in a 2-yr hitch. There is a lot of misinformation online about EP: I've read pfc, I've read "discharged in 1964" (incorrect!), etc. A source for this discharge rank (other than a blog) would be an excellent addition to this article. Rags ( talk) 09:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
The section features a quotation by scholar Lindsay Waters, including this fragment: "His voice can not be measured in octaves, but in decibels." Unless a singer's range is limited to less than one octave (which is not the case here), I find it strange to read that a singer's voice can not be measured in octaves. Am I the only one? Usually an internet search for somebody's vocal range turns up the wanted information in a few seconds, for example here For female vocalists. MackyBeth ( talk) 13:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
That part of the larger quote doesn't work very well. If it said the true measure of Presley's voice is not in octaves, or something similar, it might be worthwhile. I agree that the article is not improved by containing that sentence. Steve Pastor ( talk) 23:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
It's still noticeable that this article devotes so little space to the most important side of Elvis' music career: gospel music. To anyone who grew up in the 50s and 60s, it was so apparent that Elvis lived for gospel music. Elvis followed, travelled with, sang with, and supported gospel quartets (The Stamps, The Imperials, The Statesmen, The Jordanaires) and they were a constant presence on stage with him. After every concert, Elvis wound down by jamming the night away with gospel groups. To Elvis, rock and roll was just a sideline that made money. The gospel side of Elvis is the story of Elvis giving away his fortune to poor and needy people, paying their medical expenses, helping their families. Watching the various biographical videos (e.g. He Touched Me) of Elvis reveals the depth of the gospel side of the man. But this article pays very little attention to this side of Elvis - and it's the most interesting part of his story. Santamoly ( talk) 05:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The Sources includes the 1999 new edition of a book by Dave Marsh originally published in 1989. This book is quoted only once, note 272. I plan to use this book to cite examples of vocal style, but I do have the original 1989 edition. For this reason, I had to change the listed edition and I think I am allowed to, as it is only cited once now, and I plan to use it more than once as a source. Does anybody know what is new in the 1999 edition? My 1989 edition runs to 717 pages, the 1999 Da Capo edition has 762 pages, yet the quotation in note 272 apears on the same page in my edition. That can only happen if nothing has changed to the introductory material, and if Da Capo used the 1989 type, which seems a tad unlikely to me. MackyBeth ( talk) 18:53, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
In the section "Racial issues," paragraph two, a rumor is described of an apparently racist remark EP would have made in 1957, but it is entirely unclear what the source of the infamous "shine my shoes"-quote is--I mean, not the original 1957 source of the rumor itself, but the source of its description in this Wikipedia article. The first note after the quotation, numbered 347, is to an online essay/column from the "Atlanta Music Blog" discussing the matter. First of all, this source does not offer the full quotation, and in slightly different words at that, and second, it does not specify where the writer of the essay has the phrase from. Now that's what I call a poor source. So where did the Wikipedia editor of this part found the full quotation? My best guess is Guralnick 1994, but there is no mention of Guralnick there. MackyBeth ( talk) 21:26, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
According to Guaralnick, as reported by PARADE in 1996, Robinson wrote about this in the Aug. 1, 1957 issue of "Jet." Is that the source you found, or should I try ILLIAD to see if anyone has it? Steve Pastor ( talk) 22:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)