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I'll give the PlayStation enthusiast being unrealistic, but the statement was "Ellie (and Joel) are considered newer PlayStation mascots - whether that is by the consumers or the critics should not matter because it is all about the reception - how these characters are received, and that's the information that WatchMojo delivers with its votes. TLOU being a new IP (and critically acclaimed), and PlayStation exclusive, gives defining a defining characteristic symbolically to the protagonists of these characters, and it shows with WatchMojo, and probably elsewhere. Osh33m ( talk) 04:55, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
WP only uses what sources of quality have presented as fact. Unless stated by a reliable, secondary source, the "fact" is original research and not worth mentioning in the article. Can't put it any simpler. – czar 21:21, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Should we point out that she's never revealed her surname? Ranze ( talk) 03:12, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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Assuming this website is considered a reliable source, there is an interview with Ashley Johnson, talking about her experience voicing the character in the new game. Blake ( Talk· Edits) 17:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Rhain: I saw the Eurogamer source too, but I don't think it's conclusive.
Druckmann told IGN: "We decided to modify Ellie's model to better reflect Ashley's personality, and also resemble a slightly younger teen more fitting to the story." So Druckmann said it was to reflect Johnson's personality, not her appearance.
Straley said: "We went a little bit younger, and we think that we got a little bit more Ashley inside of there."
I think the Straley quote is open to interpretation, especially in light of Druckmann's statement. Maybe Straley meant appearance, but he might have meant personality. To me, the wording "inside of there" is more consistent with personality.
In either case, as the source is open to interpretation I don't think it's sufficient grounds to plainly state that they changed Ellie to look more like Johnson. Popcornfud ( talk) 13:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't we avoid repetition in Character design section? −αΣn=1NDi[n][Σj∈C{i}Fji[n − 1]+Fexti[(n^−1)] 22:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
The image of the various Ellie concept art pieces doesn't display properly for me, it's cut off. Anyone else? Popcornfud ( talk) 11:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
In December, Neil Druckmann tweeted that "Ellie's last name is a homage to Ken & Roberta Williams", referring to the surname that was first—and, to date, only—mentioned in the Japanese manual of the original game. The surname remains non-canon, as it is never used in the games, and Druckmann has previously said as much—it remains a name that was only used in early development, and the only thing Druckmann's tweet reveals is where this in-development name originates.
However, there have been several attempts to include the surname based on the tweet, so I wanted to start a discussion here, as pedantic as it may be. Should the surname be added? I'd love to hear your thoughts. – Rhain ☔ 06:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
The wiki says Ellie's surname as "Williams", and gives this tweet from Neil Druckmann as their source. After a bit of Googling, I found several posts on the wiki and Reddit that alleges Ellie's surname was listed in a Japanese game manual. However, I can't find if this game manual actually exists. Should we just leave the name as-is, or should we cite the tweet for her last name? Thanks, VORTEX 3427 ( Talk!) 06:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove the MASSIVE spoiler from the opening paragraph about Joel's death. All I googled was how old is Ellie and that BS came up automatically. 240B:251:D340:CE00:281C:1B87:8135:5771 ( talk) 10:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! It seems that ND have confirmed her (previously scrapped) surname, and it is indeed Williams.
It’s from the TLOU Pt. 2 remaster for PS5, and I can’t quite add that in yet. If anyone’s available, please add it, thanks! Nicole. Oh, she's elegantly clandestine... ✨ 01:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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I'll give the PlayStation enthusiast being unrealistic, but the statement was "Ellie (and Joel) are considered newer PlayStation mascots - whether that is by the consumers or the critics should not matter because it is all about the reception - how these characters are received, and that's the information that WatchMojo delivers with its votes. TLOU being a new IP (and critically acclaimed), and PlayStation exclusive, gives defining a defining characteristic symbolically to the protagonists of these characters, and it shows with WatchMojo, and probably elsewhere. Osh33m ( talk) 04:55, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
WP only uses what sources of quality have presented as fact. Unless stated by a reliable, secondary source, the "fact" is original research and not worth mentioning in the article. Can't put it any simpler. – czar 21:21, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Should we point out that she's never revealed her surname? Ranze ( talk) 03:12, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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Assuming this website is considered a reliable source, there is an interview with Ashley Johnson, talking about her experience voicing the character in the new game. Blake ( Talk· Edits) 17:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Rhain: I saw the Eurogamer source too, but I don't think it's conclusive.
Druckmann told IGN: "We decided to modify Ellie's model to better reflect Ashley's personality, and also resemble a slightly younger teen more fitting to the story." So Druckmann said it was to reflect Johnson's personality, not her appearance.
Straley said: "We went a little bit younger, and we think that we got a little bit more Ashley inside of there."
I think the Straley quote is open to interpretation, especially in light of Druckmann's statement. Maybe Straley meant appearance, but he might have meant personality. To me, the wording "inside of there" is more consistent with personality.
In either case, as the source is open to interpretation I don't think it's sufficient grounds to plainly state that they changed Ellie to look more like Johnson. Popcornfud ( talk) 13:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't we avoid repetition in Character design section? −αΣn=1NDi[n][Σj∈C{i}Fji[n − 1]+Fexti[(n^−1)] 22:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
The image of the various Ellie concept art pieces doesn't display properly for me, it's cut off. Anyone else? Popcornfud ( talk) 11:52, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
In December, Neil Druckmann tweeted that "Ellie's last name is a homage to Ken & Roberta Williams", referring to the surname that was first—and, to date, only—mentioned in the Japanese manual of the original game. The surname remains non-canon, as it is never used in the games, and Druckmann has previously said as much—it remains a name that was only used in early development, and the only thing Druckmann's tweet reveals is where this in-development name originates.
However, there have been several attempts to include the surname based on the tweet, so I wanted to start a discussion here, as pedantic as it may be. Should the surname be added? I'd love to hear your thoughts. – Rhain ☔ 06:36, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
The wiki says Ellie's surname as "Williams", and gives this tweet from Neil Druckmann as their source. After a bit of Googling, I found several posts on the wiki and Reddit that alleges Ellie's surname was listed in a Japanese game manual. However, I can't find if this game manual actually exists. Should we just leave the name as-is, or should we cite the tweet for her last name? Thanks, VORTEX 3427 ( Talk!) 06:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove the MASSIVE spoiler from the opening paragraph about Joel's death. All I googled was how old is Ellie and that BS came up automatically. 240B:251:D340:CE00:281C:1B87:8135:5771 ( talk) 10:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi! It seems that ND have confirmed her (previously scrapped) surname, and it is indeed Williams.
It’s from the TLOU Pt. 2 remaster for PS5, and I can’t quite add that in yet. If anyone’s available, please add it, thanks! Nicole. Oh, she's elegantly clandestine... ✨ 01:27, 15 December 2023 (UTC)