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English sources don't specify things such as: name and year of the documentary, name and exact date of the state award. Also, I wonder if Spravedlivaya Pomoshch would be notable and should be at lest redlinked? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I want to thank User:AveTory for drawing attention to the NPOV issues here. It is important to note that Glinka was a supporter of the Putin regime, although it is clear she has been later used by its propaganda. It's good we removed the propaganda note about her allegedly saying 'there have been no Russian troops in Ukraine'. While I cannot find English sources right now, I found an article in a mainsteam, reliable Polish newspaper ( [1]) which notes a number of facts. First, that this statement resulted in a controversy, as it was twisted by the propaganda: her statement that (mind I am retranslating a translation here...) "I have personally not seen any Russian troops there, but those are just my own observations" has been twisted to "Regardless of what people like, I can confirm based on my regular visits to the region that there are no Russian troops there". It seems this was discussed in media, she was criticized, requested and got a correction. Further, the article notes she supported anti-Putin opposition in early 2010s, speaking publicly at public gatherings, and she entered some organizations called in Polish 'Liga Wyborców' (couldn't find English name), which resulted in the government sending financial controls to the Fair Aid and freezing their financial assets for a while, preventing them from receiving donations. Later, when she started being active in the Ukrainian civil war, it seems that the government decided to work with her and promote her as a Russian hero. We definitely need more sources on this, but given the Russian propaganda these days, we need to be careful to ensure neutrality, and that this is not propaganda-washed to make her some Putin supporter (as there was clearly an attempt to do so by misquoting her on the Russian forces in Ukraine, a topic of little relevance to this article anyway). PS. I will ping User:My very best wishes and User:Volunteer Marek, who I believe have more experience with the neutrality in this context, and may be able to find sources I missed. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:57, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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Metro2fsb ( talk) 05:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
I suggest this page be redirected to Elizabeth Glinka the English version. Agree disagree? Metro2fsb ( talk) 04:06, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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English sources don't specify things such as: name and year of the documentary, name and exact date of the state award. Also, I wonder if Spravedlivaya Pomoshch would be notable and should be at lest redlinked? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I want to thank User:AveTory for drawing attention to the NPOV issues here. It is important to note that Glinka was a supporter of the Putin regime, although it is clear she has been later used by its propaganda. It's good we removed the propaganda note about her allegedly saying 'there have been no Russian troops in Ukraine'. While I cannot find English sources right now, I found an article in a mainsteam, reliable Polish newspaper ( [1]) which notes a number of facts. First, that this statement resulted in a controversy, as it was twisted by the propaganda: her statement that (mind I am retranslating a translation here...) "I have personally not seen any Russian troops there, but those are just my own observations" has been twisted to "Regardless of what people like, I can confirm based on my regular visits to the region that there are no Russian troops there". It seems this was discussed in media, she was criticized, requested and got a correction. Further, the article notes she supported anti-Putin opposition in early 2010s, speaking publicly at public gatherings, and she entered some organizations called in Polish 'Liga Wyborców' (couldn't find English name), which resulted in the government sending financial controls to the Fair Aid and freezing their financial assets for a while, preventing them from receiving donations. Later, when she started being active in the Ukrainian civil war, it seems that the government decided to work with her and promote her as a Russian hero. We definitely need more sources on this, but given the Russian propaganda these days, we need to be careful to ensure neutrality, and that this is not propaganda-washed to make her some Putin supporter (as there was clearly an attempt to do so by misquoting her on the Russian forces in Ukraine, a topic of little relevance to this article anyway). PS. I will ping User:My very best wishes and User:Volunteer Marek, who I believe have more experience with the neutrality in this context, and may be able to find sources I missed. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:57, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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Metro2fsb ( talk) 05:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
I suggest this page be redirected to Elizabeth Glinka the English version. Agree disagree? Metro2fsb ( talk) 04:06, 10 January 2023 (UTC)