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I made a bold edit to split up the Reign section into standalone sections and @ Peter Ormond reverted my edit, telling me to discuss it on the talk page so here I am. Queen Victoria's reign is split up into multiple sections without including a section for reign while Elizabeth's has her own dedicated section describing her reign despite reigning longer than any previous British monarch. I think it makes sense to split up her reign into multiple sections so that we highlight different sections of her reign. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:42, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Why does this keep happening? Charles doesn't need to be linked in the lead twice. 92.30.72.123 ( talk) 15:17, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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Maybe add the “more citations needed” template? The first citation comes after a lot of information, although citations are frequent for the rest of the article. GenZenny ( talk) 20:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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Elizabeth 2nd was 96 when she died not 15 as stated in her page 94.1.208.21 ( talk) 10:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Was she really? So much for locking the page from vandalism. 2A02:C7C:C030:7400:9011:C08A:A3E1:8226 ( talk) 11:11, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
She was queen regnant of 32 sovereign states during her lifetime, 15 [of them] at the time of her death.Chaheel Riens ( talk) 14:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
I have changed it to read "Philip Mountbatten", since this was has name before marriage...this style matches how other royal spouses are listed in infoboxes. It could also read "Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark", but it should not read "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh", for the same reason that George VI's infobox calls his wife "Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon", not "Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother". DieOuTransvaal ( talk) 08:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
In the infobox, the Queen of the UK link redirects to royal consorts. It should redirect to monarchs. Can someone please fix this? GamerKlim9716 ( talk) 15:06, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
We'll have to keep an eye on the IP, who initially changed the re-direct to the wrong page. My sense is the IP-in-question, was a tad confused. GoodDay ( talk) 19:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone else find that "(list)" part of the infobox strange? It does not look visually appealing to me. What if List of sovereign states headed by Elizabeth II was linked to "other", like shown below:
Elizabeth II/Archive 47 | |
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Queen of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms | |
Reign | 6 February 1952 – 8 September 2022 |
Coronation | 2 June 1953 |
Predecessor | George VI |
Successor | Charles III |
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There is a comma that is not needed.
Change: "During the Platinum Jubilee celebrations, Elizabeth was largely confined to balcony appearances, and missed the National Service of Thanksgiving."
To: "During the Platinum Jubilee celebrations, Elizabeth was largely confined to balcony appearances and missed the National Service of Thanksgiving." Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
As an ordinary member of the public, the photo is terrible. Please change to a photo from when she was in her nineties or eighties (how she is currently remembered) or to the coronation photo (which is the best historical one). The one chosen is just not very good at all. 86.150.46.183 ( talk) 18:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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https://www.bolnews.com/royal-family/2022/11/real-cause-of-queen-elizabeths-death-exposed/ Queen had cancer! I am a Green Bee ( talk) 12:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Until reliable sources tells us anything further? it's "old age" GoodDay ( talk) 06:07, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
I would like.an interesting fact.to be added that the Queen was the first monarch to.die in Scotland for 480 years. JOEYTHEVIMSANTEPOET ( talk) 16:33, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. JOEYTHEVIMSANTEPOET ( talk) 12:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Should we include her religion in the infobox? Consensus is to include it for her father George VI and her son Charles III. Векочел ( talk) 19:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
It should be 'Anglican' or 'Church of England' rather than Protestant. Protestant is very broad & Anglicanism isn't really Protestant it's more of its own thing being the middle-way between Catholicism & Protestantism. TheFriendlyFas2 ( talk) 06:42, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I think the religion section should be listed as " Protestantism ( Anglican) איתן קרסנטי ( talk) 13:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Is the photo currently in use taken in 1958 or 1959 (? The photo in the article is from 1958 But the file information says the photo is from 1959 Is this an article error
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Done - went ahead and changed it to 1959. If anyone wants to revert, I won't argue about it.
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May we have some input at this RFC. -- GoodDay ( talk) 20:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
For her son Charles, it is noted in the infobox that he is head of the Church of England and a member of the Church of Scotland. It appears the Queen worshipped in much the same way as King Charles. Векочел ( talk) 19:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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2607:FEA8:41DF:BF00:78D6:867A:1C96:FE40 ( talk) 01:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Can you please change the name from elizabeth ii to queen elizabeth ii
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If a statement is found in every major biography of Elizabeth II and all those sources agree on the statement, should that content be included or excluded from her wikipedia biography? DrKay ( talk) 08:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Why a 63-year-old photograph of Elizabeth II? Surely a more up-to-date photo, by which most of the world would recognise her anyway, would be more appropriate? Vabadus91 ( talk) 01:31, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
I think the full name should be included in the lead. At the moment it seems strange that her surname is missing. The death certificate shows the full name to be "Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor", so this would be a reliable source. It appears in many articles: [4] [5] Titus Gold ( talk) 14:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
That should say convenience, not conscience Timothy N-F ( talk) 01:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Not only do a century of official documentation (e.g. her birth, marriage, and death certificates) and a myriad of academic publications (e.g. the biography by Robert Lacey cited in this article) name her Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor but also the family's official website explicitly says their surname is Windsor. Yet here you will commonly find an army of editors performing all sorts of mental acrobatics to dispute that. It is bewildering, yet also amusing. Surtsicna ( talk) 13:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
[7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18]
I never heard the late Queen refer to herself as Elizabeth Windsor. The British monarchy website is a bit suspect because it seems to contradict itself. (It says both that only those who don't have the style "royal highness" and princely title use the surname Mountbatten-Windsor and that the Queen's children--all of whom have the royal highness style and princely title--have the surname Mountbatten-Windsor.) The multiple links above are to some sites and/or sources that might give Elizabeth the surname Windsor because of popular misconception.
I think the most clear-cut source available is the 1960 proclamation, which was accepted by Wikipedia editors as a source confirming King Charles III is still of the House of Windsor. It states, "I [Elizabeth II] and My Children shall continue to be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor [emphasis mine]." What other answer can there be to "what's her family name?" than "Windsor"?
I should add, though, that none of the above is an argument claiming Elizabeth's surname is worth including in the lede. -- ₪ MIESIANIACAL 08:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Dronebogus: is correct, this entire certificate discussion 'should be' (per WP:STICK) closed & hatted. It's just a continuing attempt to use 'Windsor' as a surname, in this & (possibly) other bios. GoodDay ( talk) 14:44, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
@ DrKay: you say in your latest edit (per talk). I see no consensus here for your addition. GoodDay ( talk) 15:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
FWIW - Here's the RFC result-in-question. GoodDay ( talk) 09:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
If a statement is found in every major biography of a subject and all those sources agree on the statement, should that content be included or excluded from a wikipedia biography? DrKay ( talk) 15:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
This is the edit-in-dispute, which I reverted. GoodDay ( talk) 16:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
mounting an unreasonable campaign against verifiable and undeniable content, and not the fault of the opening party.That's a fairly inane allegation over an innocuous family name RfC. Nemov ( talk) 13:29, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Seems like an attempt at formulating a new principle, policy or guideline, which is not appropriate to discuss on the talk page of an individual article.. Responding to the immediate question, I cannot see what useful info is conveyed by asserting a 'family name', which has no public role or use at all iro this person, therefore Exclude. Pincrete ( talk) 14:23, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
In the event that this RfC is not subject to a procedural close, I would advocate for the status quo to be retained (pending any future discussion). Graham ( talk) 06:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm in agreement with many editors. This RFC needs to be shut down. GoodDay ( talk) 17:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, Just wanted to ask for opinions, should we keep the recording on the page? It's dated June 2014, the article is almost double in size from then, and the recording does not contain some important details, like her death, latest jubilees, etc.
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Beneath media depictions in paintings media please kindly add. With my thanks
Elizabeth was portrayed in a variety of media by many notable artists, including painters Pietro Annigoni, Peter Blake, Chinwe Chukwuogo-Roy, Terence Cuneo, Lucian Freud, Rolf Harris, Damien Hirst, Juliet Pannett and Tai-Shan Schierenberg.[318][319] Richiebloomberg ( talk) 21:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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an extraordinary reason behind the death (such as murder or assassination) which would require further details(like a link), we shouldn't link "died". It's MOS:OVERLINK anyway as the term is commonly understood. ‑‑ Neveselbert ( talk · contribs · email) 22:50, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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the article about queen Elizabeth indicate that when she became queen in 1952 following her father's death, she became queen of seven countries included Pakistan. I request to change it because pakistan was a free country in 1952. 2604:3D09:417F:51E0:1051:252A:85E2:D226 ( talk) 17:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
could we please change the names of the "Prince of Wales and Duke of Cambridge" as it could confuse readers. Suggestion of using either Prince Charles (later King Charles) and Prince Willam? 185.113.82.254 ( talk) 16:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
What on earth do you mean by this? What citation style? 195.20.17.82 ( talk) 17:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
DrKay what's up here? The article citation formatting is an inconsistent mess. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:34, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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The following note(s) should be added somewhere concerning the length of HM's reign:
Elizabeth was Queen of many other states, but other than these four, her reign was shorter. Lengths listed below are for Elizabeth as monarch of an independent country or dominion; except for Jamaica, none would entitle her to a place on this list. The following states were British dominions at the start of Queen Elizabeth II's reign in 1952, but became independent as republics during her reign:
The following states were not sovereign at the start of Queen Elizabeth II's reign in 1952, but became sovereign and later became republics during her reign:
The following states were not sovereign at the start of Queen Elizabeth II's reign in 1952, but became sovereign during her reign and retained her as Queen:
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I have begun working on a re-recording of this article under the Spoken Wikipedia project per the request made on this talk page. ZNQriGo0GUGMAibZXgBV ( talk) 03:12, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
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Recommend MOVE: {{Spoken Wikipedia|En-Elizabeth II-article-20230422.ogg|date=22 April 2023}}
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Recommend this for a better user experience. This is the only template that surfaces on mobile to allow the user to listen to the article, and "External links" does not seem like the correct placement for this feature. ZNQriGo0GUGMAibZXgBV ( talk) 15:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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Queen Elizabeth was known as Queen Elizabeth the 1st in Scotland not Queen Elizabeth the 2nd like in England & Wales.
I believe the title or opening summary should be edited to reflect this as she was not Queen Elizabeth II in Scotland but Queen Elizabeth I. 2A01:4B00:8405:E900:BCE2:F895:68A2:2624 ( talk) 12:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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PLEASE CHANGE TO BE INCLUDED IN PLATINUM JUBILEE SECTION: On 14 May 2023, the Queen posthumously won a BAFTA 'Most Memorable Moment Award' as part of her role in 'Paddington meets The Queen from the Platinum Jubilee: Party At The Palace!' via a public vote. [1] Heloeheod34 ( talk) 13:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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Wouldn't it be interesting to clarify, even as a footnote, that Elizabeth II's was the longest reign in history in the sense that she reigned effectively throughout her whole reign, whilst Louis XIV ascended the throne when he was merely 4 and therefore reigned under a regency - with no effective powers - until he reached adulthood? I see no mention to that anywhere, and I do think it is important to leave it clear. See sources: https://www.tatler.com/article/why-the-queen-is-technically-the-worlds-longest-reigning-monarch - "the Queen is unquestionably the longest actively reigning monarch in the world". https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10913553/Queen-worlds-longest-actively-reigning-monarch-royal-expert-claims.html https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09371a.htm "Louis XIV was declared to have reached the age of majority on 7 September 1651. On the death of Mazarin, in March 1661, Louis assumed personal control of the reins of government". 85.152.246.66 ( talk) 10:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
See Louis XIV’s article with reference to “the Sun King”. Should the introduction include “Elizabeth II… also known as Elizabeth the Faithful”?
There are many sources which reference her under this title.
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I just need to put a bit more information to her death 173.11.12.17 ( talk) 07:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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Include the date of death in section "until her death in 2022" not just the year 172.197.189.59 ( talk) 13:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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I think it is incorrect to say "Great Britian" in relation to approval ratings as the term "Briton" is this style refers to anyone residing in the UK and not just GB Jord656 ( talk) 20:48, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, the ambiguous term 'Britain' is commonly used instead of 'the United Kingdom', but that doesn't make it okay in the context of this article, which is supposed to be encyclopaedic and not mimic a sloppy journalistic style, especially where there are sensibilities related to the terminology used. You just need to compare the ' Britain' and ' United Kingdom' articles to see why.
The former is a disambiguation page because 'Britain' is also commonly used in lieu of ' Great Britain' (just three of the United Kingdom's four nations) and ' British Isles' (the islands which contain both the United Kingdom and Ireland, as well as entities which are part of neither).
Why would we choose to be sloppy with our language by referring to the United Kingdom as 'Britain' when we could use the correct terminologies of "United Kingdom"" or its normal abbreviation of "UK". Compare this with articles related to, say, the United States. They rarely use the similarly sloppy term 'America' when they mean the 'United States' or 'US'.
I think that the use of 'Britain' in this context is, at best, ignorant, and verging on the disrspectfull of the United Kingdom and its four constituent nations, and that each incidence of it in the article should be replaced with the appropriate correct and precise term. Thoughts? -- DeFacto ( talk). 12:47, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
explicitly related to Britain only? Which section? Which sentence? Does it apply to all 14, or so, uses of the word in the article? And what is your definition of Britain in this case? -- DeFacto ( talk). 16:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
(aka Great Britain) is made up of England, Scotland and Wales; the United Kingdom also includes Northern Ireland- thus saying that it is synonymous with "Great Britain" and not with the UK.
The terms Britain and Great Britain are, as we said above, synonymous geographical terms referring to the largest of the islands in the British Isles. But Britain and Great Britain are also used to refer to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland aka the United Kingdom aka the UK.
Great Britain, therefore, is a geographic term referring to the island also known simply as Britain. It’s also a political term for the part of the United Kingdom made up of England, Scotland, and Wales (including the outlying islands that they administer, such as the Isle of Wight). United Kingdom, on the other hand, is purely a political term: it’s the independent country that encompasses all of Great Britain and the region now called Northern Ireland.
In September 1939,.Britainthe UK entered the Second World War
... at a time when.Britainthe UK was at war
... because.Britainthe UK had not yet completely recovered from the devastation of the war
In the UK post-warBritain...
In November 1956,Britainthe UK and France invaded Egypt...
More than 20 countries gained independence fromBritainthe UK as part of...
AsBritain'sthe UK's ties to its former empire weakened...
@ Tim O'Doherty, the other islands you mention are, unlike Northern Ireland, included in the term "Britain" when it is used as a synonym of the political entity "Great Britain" as in the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
This all shows how confusing and ambiguous the term "Britain" is, and how much better sticking with "UK" would be, or the apprpriate unambiguous name for any sub-sovereign-state region being discussed. -- DeFacto ( talk). 09:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
it means United Kingdom which is its standard meaning through WP? -- DeFacto ( talk). 14:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
The article claims Queen Elizabeth II "trained and worked as a driver". She certainly trained for three weeks as a mechanic. Is there any evidence that she worked as a driver or mechanic? The pictures and film of her driving a Red Cross truck were taken in March 1945 during her training course. Perhaps people have assumed this as evidence that she worked as a driver?
According to Robert Lacey p. 137 (in either Robert Lacey, Royal: Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II; Robert Lacey, The Queen: A Life in Brief) referred to in an answer to [25], on a three-week Vehicle Maintenance Course at Aldershot, ending 16 April 1945, Princess Elizabeth learned how to service and maintain army vehicles.
Lacey refers to the diary of another woman on the course, Corporal Eileen Heron: "She [Princess Elizabeth] told Eileen Heron that she was hoping to join ATS headquarters later that summer as a junior officer, where she would have worked in an office with young women on transport organisation."
"Less than a month after her course ended came VE day - 8 May 1945. There was ATS work aplenty in the months of demobilisation that followed, but George VI wanted his daughter back home on royal duties. He did not see her future as working in an office, even a military office, alongside other women, and Princess Elizabeth bowed to his wish." 2A02:6B6B:4B8:0:76BC:86EB:6CBD:C2C8 ( talk) 08:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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Please change the primary photograph of the late Queen Elizabeth II from the current one to the one shown by the BBC on the day of the announcement of her death or the one released on the eve of her funeral. Thank you. John Clementine ( talk) 16:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
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I made a bold edit to split up the Reign section into standalone sections and @ Peter Ormond reverted my edit, telling me to discuss it on the talk page so here I am. Queen Victoria's reign is split up into multiple sections without including a section for reign while Elizabeth's has her own dedicated section describing her reign despite reigning longer than any previous British monarch. I think it makes sense to split up her reign into multiple sections so that we highlight different sections of her reign. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:42, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
Why does this keep happening? Charles doesn't need to be linked in the lead twice. 92.30.72.123 ( talk) 15:17, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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Maybe add the “more citations needed” template? The first citation comes after a lot of information, although citations are frequent for the rest of the article. GenZenny ( talk) 20:02, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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Elizabeth 2nd was 96 when she died not 15 as stated in her page 94.1.208.21 ( talk) 10:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Was she really? So much for locking the page from vandalism. 2A02:C7C:C030:7400:9011:C08A:A3E1:8226 ( talk) 11:11, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
She was queen regnant of 32 sovereign states during her lifetime, 15 [of them] at the time of her death.Chaheel Riens ( talk) 14:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
I have changed it to read "Philip Mountbatten", since this was has name before marriage...this style matches how other royal spouses are listed in infoboxes. It could also read "Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark", but it should not read "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh", for the same reason that George VI's infobox calls his wife "Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon", not "Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother". DieOuTransvaal ( talk) 08:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
In the infobox, the Queen of the UK link redirects to royal consorts. It should redirect to monarchs. Can someone please fix this? GamerKlim9716 ( talk) 15:06, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
We'll have to keep an eye on the IP, who initially changed the re-direct to the wrong page. My sense is the IP-in-question, was a tad confused. GoodDay ( talk) 19:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone else find that "(list)" part of the infobox strange? It does not look visually appealing to me. What if List of sovereign states headed by Elizabeth II was linked to "other", like shown below:
Elizabeth II/Archive 47 | |
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Head of the Commonwealth | |
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Queen of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms | |
Reign | 6 February 1952 – 8 September 2022 |
Coronation | 2 June 1953 |
Predecessor | George VI |
Successor | Charles III |
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There is a comma that is not needed.
Change: "During the Platinum Jubilee celebrations, Elizabeth was largely confined to balcony appearances, and missed the National Service of Thanksgiving."
To: "During the Platinum Jubilee celebrations, Elizabeth was largely confined to balcony appearances and missed the National Service of Thanksgiving." Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
As an ordinary member of the public, the photo is terrible. Please change to a photo from when she was in her nineties or eighties (how she is currently remembered) or to the coronation photo (which is the best historical one). The one chosen is just not very good at all. 86.150.46.183 ( talk) 18:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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https://www.bolnews.com/royal-family/2022/11/real-cause-of-queen-elizabeths-death-exposed/ Queen had cancer! I am a Green Bee ( talk) 12:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Until reliable sources tells us anything further? it's "old age" GoodDay ( talk) 06:07, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
I would like.an interesting fact.to be added that the Queen was the first monarch to.die in Scotland for 480 years. JOEYTHEVIMSANTEPOET ( talk) 16:33, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. JOEYTHEVIMSANTEPOET ( talk) 12:59, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
Should we include her religion in the infobox? Consensus is to include it for her father George VI and her son Charles III. Векочел ( talk) 19:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
It should be 'Anglican' or 'Church of England' rather than Protestant. Protestant is very broad & Anglicanism isn't really Protestant it's more of its own thing being the middle-way between Catholicism & Protestantism. TheFriendlyFas2 ( talk) 06:42, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
I think the religion section should be listed as " Protestantism ( Anglican) איתן קרסנטי ( talk) 13:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Is the photo currently in use taken in 1958 or 1959 (? The photo in the article is from 1958 But the file information says the photo is from 1959 Is this an article error
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Done - went ahead and changed it to 1959. If anyone wants to revert, I won't argue about it.
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May we have some input at this RFC. -- GoodDay ( talk) 20:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
For her son Charles, it is noted in the infobox that he is head of the Church of England and a member of the Church of Scotland. It appears the Queen worshipped in much the same way as King Charles. Векочел ( talk) 19:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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Can you please change the name from elizabeth ii to queen elizabeth ii
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If a statement is found in every major biography of Elizabeth II and all those sources agree on the statement, should that content be included or excluded from her wikipedia biography? DrKay ( talk) 08:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Why a 63-year-old photograph of Elizabeth II? Surely a more up-to-date photo, by which most of the world would recognise her anyway, would be more appropriate? Vabadus91 ( talk) 01:31, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
I think the full name should be included in the lead. At the moment it seems strange that her surname is missing. The death certificate shows the full name to be "Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor", so this would be a reliable source. It appears in many articles: [4] [5] Titus Gold ( talk) 14:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
That should say convenience, not conscience Timothy N-F ( talk) 01:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Not only do a century of official documentation (e.g. her birth, marriage, and death certificates) and a myriad of academic publications (e.g. the biography by Robert Lacey cited in this article) name her Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor but also the family's official website explicitly says their surname is Windsor. Yet here you will commonly find an army of editors performing all sorts of mental acrobatics to dispute that. It is bewildering, yet also amusing. Surtsicna ( talk) 13:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
[7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18]
I never heard the late Queen refer to herself as Elizabeth Windsor. The British monarchy website is a bit suspect because it seems to contradict itself. (It says both that only those who don't have the style "royal highness" and princely title use the surname Mountbatten-Windsor and that the Queen's children--all of whom have the royal highness style and princely title--have the surname Mountbatten-Windsor.) The multiple links above are to some sites and/or sources that might give Elizabeth the surname Windsor because of popular misconception.
I think the most clear-cut source available is the 1960 proclamation, which was accepted by Wikipedia editors as a source confirming King Charles III is still of the House of Windsor. It states, "I [Elizabeth II] and My Children shall continue to be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor [emphasis mine]." What other answer can there be to "what's her family name?" than "Windsor"?
I should add, though, that none of the above is an argument claiming Elizabeth's surname is worth including in the lede. -- ₪ MIESIANIACAL 08:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Dronebogus: is correct, this entire certificate discussion 'should be' (per WP:STICK) closed & hatted. It's just a continuing attempt to use 'Windsor' as a surname, in this & (possibly) other bios. GoodDay ( talk) 14:44, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
@ DrKay: you say in your latest edit (per talk). I see no consensus here for your addition. GoodDay ( talk) 15:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
FWIW - Here's the RFC result-in-question. GoodDay ( talk) 09:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
If a statement is found in every major biography of a subject and all those sources agree on the statement, should that content be included or excluded from a wikipedia biography? DrKay ( talk) 15:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
This is the edit-in-dispute, which I reverted. GoodDay ( talk) 16:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
mounting an unreasonable campaign against verifiable and undeniable content, and not the fault of the opening party.That's a fairly inane allegation over an innocuous family name RfC. Nemov ( talk) 13:29, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Seems like an attempt at formulating a new principle, policy or guideline, which is not appropriate to discuss on the talk page of an individual article.. Responding to the immediate question, I cannot see what useful info is conveyed by asserting a 'family name', which has no public role or use at all iro this person, therefore Exclude. Pincrete ( talk) 14:23, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
In the event that this RfC is not subject to a procedural close, I would advocate for the status quo to be retained (pending any future discussion). Graham ( talk) 06:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm in agreement with many editors. This RFC needs to be shut down. GoodDay ( talk) 17:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi all, Just wanted to ask for opinions, should we keep the recording on the page? It's dated June 2014, the article is almost double in size from then, and the recording does not contain some important details, like her death, latest jubilees, etc.
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Beneath media depictions in paintings media please kindly add. With my thanks
Elizabeth was portrayed in a variety of media by many notable artists, including painters Pietro Annigoni, Peter Blake, Chinwe Chukwuogo-Roy, Terence Cuneo, Lucian Freud, Rolf Harris, Damien Hirst, Juliet Pannett and Tai-Shan Schierenberg.[318][319] Richiebloomberg ( talk) 21:00, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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an extraordinary reason behind the death (such as murder or assassination) which would require further details(like a link), we shouldn't link "died". It's MOS:OVERLINK anyway as the term is commonly understood. ‑‑ Neveselbert ( talk · contribs · email) 22:50, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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the article about queen Elizabeth indicate that when she became queen in 1952 following her father's death, she became queen of seven countries included Pakistan. I request to change it because pakistan was a free country in 1952. 2604:3D09:417F:51E0:1051:252A:85E2:D226 ( talk) 17:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
could we please change the names of the "Prince of Wales and Duke of Cambridge" as it could confuse readers. Suggestion of using either Prince Charles (later King Charles) and Prince Willam? 185.113.82.254 ( talk) 16:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
What on earth do you mean by this? What citation style? 195.20.17.82 ( talk) 17:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
DrKay what's up here? The article citation formatting is an inconsistent mess. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:34, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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The following note(s) should be added somewhere concerning the length of HM's reign:
Elizabeth was Queen of many other states, but other than these four, her reign was shorter. Lengths listed below are for Elizabeth as monarch of an independent country or dominion; except for Jamaica, none would entitle her to a place on this list. The following states were British dominions at the start of Queen Elizabeth II's reign in 1952, but became independent as republics during her reign:
The following states were not sovereign at the start of Queen Elizabeth II's reign in 1952, but became sovereign and later became republics during her reign:
The following states were not sovereign at the start of Queen Elizabeth II's reign in 1952, but became sovereign during her reign and retained her as Queen:
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I have begun working on a re-recording of this article under the Spoken Wikipedia project per the request made on this talk page. ZNQriGo0GUGMAibZXgBV ( talk) 03:12, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
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Recommend MOVE: {{Spoken Wikipedia|En-Elizabeth II-article-20230422.ogg|date=22 April 2023}}
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Recommend this for a better user experience. This is the only template that surfaces on mobile to allow the user to listen to the article, and "External links" does not seem like the correct placement for this feature. ZNQriGo0GUGMAibZXgBV ( talk) 15:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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Queen Elizabeth was known as Queen Elizabeth the 1st in Scotland not Queen Elizabeth the 2nd like in England & Wales.
I believe the title or opening summary should be edited to reflect this as she was not Queen Elizabeth II in Scotland but Queen Elizabeth I. 2A01:4B00:8405:E900:BCE2:F895:68A2:2624 ( talk) 12:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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PLEASE CHANGE TO BE INCLUDED IN PLATINUM JUBILEE SECTION: On 14 May 2023, the Queen posthumously won a BAFTA 'Most Memorable Moment Award' as part of her role in 'Paddington meets The Queen from the Platinum Jubilee: Party At The Palace!' via a public vote. [1] Heloeheod34 ( talk) 13:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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Wouldn't it be interesting to clarify, even as a footnote, that Elizabeth II's was the longest reign in history in the sense that she reigned effectively throughout her whole reign, whilst Louis XIV ascended the throne when he was merely 4 and therefore reigned under a regency - with no effective powers - until he reached adulthood? I see no mention to that anywhere, and I do think it is important to leave it clear. See sources: https://www.tatler.com/article/why-the-queen-is-technically-the-worlds-longest-reigning-monarch - "the Queen is unquestionably the longest actively reigning monarch in the world". https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10913553/Queen-worlds-longest-actively-reigning-monarch-royal-expert-claims.html https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09371a.htm "Louis XIV was declared to have reached the age of majority on 7 September 1651. On the death of Mazarin, in March 1661, Louis assumed personal control of the reins of government". 85.152.246.66 ( talk) 10:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
See Louis XIV’s article with reference to “the Sun King”. Should the introduction include “Elizabeth II… also known as Elizabeth the Faithful”?
There are many sources which reference her under this title.
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I just need to put a bit more information to her death 173.11.12.17 ( talk) 07:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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Include the date of death in section "until her death in 2022" not just the year 172.197.189.59 ( talk) 13:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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I think it is incorrect to say "Great Britian" in relation to approval ratings as the term "Briton" is this style refers to anyone residing in the UK and not just GB Jord656 ( talk) 20:48, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Yes, the ambiguous term 'Britain' is commonly used instead of 'the United Kingdom', but that doesn't make it okay in the context of this article, which is supposed to be encyclopaedic and not mimic a sloppy journalistic style, especially where there are sensibilities related to the terminology used. You just need to compare the ' Britain' and ' United Kingdom' articles to see why.
The former is a disambiguation page because 'Britain' is also commonly used in lieu of ' Great Britain' (just three of the United Kingdom's four nations) and ' British Isles' (the islands which contain both the United Kingdom and Ireland, as well as entities which are part of neither).
Why would we choose to be sloppy with our language by referring to the United Kingdom as 'Britain' when we could use the correct terminologies of "United Kingdom"" or its normal abbreviation of "UK". Compare this with articles related to, say, the United States. They rarely use the similarly sloppy term 'America' when they mean the 'United States' or 'US'.
I think that the use of 'Britain' in this context is, at best, ignorant, and verging on the disrspectfull of the United Kingdom and its four constituent nations, and that each incidence of it in the article should be replaced with the appropriate correct and precise term. Thoughts? -- DeFacto ( talk). 12:47, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
explicitly related to Britain only? Which section? Which sentence? Does it apply to all 14, or so, uses of the word in the article? And what is your definition of Britain in this case? -- DeFacto ( talk). 16:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
(aka Great Britain) is made up of England, Scotland and Wales; the United Kingdom also includes Northern Ireland- thus saying that it is synonymous with "Great Britain" and not with the UK.
The terms Britain and Great Britain are, as we said above, synonymous geographical terms referring to the largest of the islands in the British Isles. But Britain and Great Britain are also used to refer to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland aka the United Kingdom aka the UK.
Great Britain, therefore, is a geographic term referring to the island also known simply as Britain. It’s also a political term for the part of the United Kingdom made up of England, Scotland, and Wales (including the outlying islands that they administer, such as the Isle of Wight). United Kingdom, on the other hand, is purely a political term: it’s the independent country that encompasses all of Great Britain and the region now called Northern Ireland.
In September 1939,.Britainthe UK entered the Second World War
... at a time when.Britainthe UK was at war
... because.Britainthe UK had not yet completely recovered from the devastation of the war
In the UK post-warBritain...
In November 1956,Britainthe UK and France invaded Egypt...
More than 20 countries gained independence fromBritainthe UK as part of...
AsBritain'sthe UK's ties to its former empire weakened...
@ Tim O'Doherty, the other islands you mention are, unlike Northern Ireland, included in the term "Britain" when it is used as a synonym of the political entity "Great Britain" as in the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
This all shows how confusing and ambiguous the term "Britain" is, and how much better sticking with "UK" would be, or the apprpriate unambiguous name for any sub-sovereign-state region being discussed. -- DeFacto ( talk). 09:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
it means United Kingdom which is its standard meaning through WP? -- DeFacto ( talk). 14:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
The article claims Queen Elizabeth II "trained and worked as a driver". She certainly trained for three weeks as a mechanic. Is there any evidence that she worked as a driver or mechanic? The pictures and film of her driving a Red Cross truck were taken in March 1945 during her training course. Perhaps people have assumed this as evidence that she worked as a driver?
According to Robert Lacey p. 137 (in either Robert Lacey, Royal: Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II; Robert Lacey, The Queen: A Life in Brief) referred to in an answer to [25], on a three-week Vehicle Maintenance Course at Aldershot, ending 16 April 1945, Princess Elizabeth learned how to service and maintain army vehicles.
Lacey refers to the diary of another woman on the course, Corporal Eileen Heron: "She [Princess Elizabeth] told Eileen Heron that she was hoping to join ATS headquarters later that summer as a junior officer, where she would have worked in an office with young women on transport organisation."
"Less than a month after her course ended came VE day - 8 May 1945. There was ATS work aplenty in the months of demobilisation that followed, but George VI wanted his daughter back home on royal duties. He did not see her future as working in an office, even a military office, alongside other women, and Princess Elizabeth bowed to his wish." 2A02:6B6B:4B8:0:76BC:86EB:6CBD:C2C8 ( talk) 08:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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Please change the primary photograph of the late Queen Elizabeth II from the current one to the one shown by the BBC on the day of the announcement of her death or the one released on the eve of her funeral. Thank you. John Clementine ( talk) 16:20, 30 July 2023 (UTC)