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This page needs extending by somebody who knows what the heck it's talking about...
yeah eli is a good spy he gave israel all the informations about syrian missile force . so in 1967 they lost
Good idea. I rewrote it completely. Here is the previous text:
Leaving the POV problem aside, Cohen had nothing to do with Eichmann. -- zero 10:06, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)
If you would like information, written by Eli's brother Maurice (who was a fellow agent), READ here. Please stop arbitrarily reverting information that is quite accurate. I am re-adding the information about the trees during the Six Days War and his alias's rank before being uncovered. -- Stoopideggs2 15:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I just removed this:
"On the eve of the Six Day War, two Syrian fighter jet flew towards Tel-Aviv with intent to heavily bomb the largely populated city. Israeli intelligence radiod the Syrian fighters, a message stating their real names and the names of their children. The threatened them saying that if they dropped their bombs, undercover agents would kill their families. The pilots then proceeded to drop their bombs on the sea, radio back to Syrian headquarters that the mission was a success and leave Israeli airspace."
For a start two fighters would not consistute heavy bombardment of a city the size of Tel-Aviv. Even if Israel could identify the planes in flight the claimed Israeli response is improbable. Syrian fighters entering Israeli airspace would have been shot down or forced back through force of arms. Robert Brockway 07:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Amoruso 22:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or has this page completely changed? A couple weeks ago when I read it it must have been five times longer. Maybe I am thinking about a different article?
-Liore 22:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I added this article to WikiProject Egypt because Cohen spent his young life in Egypt and qualifies as an Egyptian-Israeli. Our goal is to cultivate articles relating to Egypt, so please discuss his removal here if you still think he doesn't qualify.
-- Yitzhak1995 04:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
'Although the story may be apocryphal many claim that Cohen suggested that eucalyptus trees should be planted around Syrian military bunkers and mortars on the Golan Heights that were targeting Israel.'
who claims exactly?
fairy tails like this have no place in an encyclopedia Rm uk 01:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
You don't think that the Syrians would have removed the trees knowing they were the gift of an Israeli spy and as such had an obvious purpose? The story is apocryphal and has zero credibility. Aldiboront ( talk) 18:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Cohen was executed in martyr's square, damascus on the orders of his good friend Hafez al-Assad. He was a victim of political weakness on the part of the Alawite syrian ruling class, and a pawn in an espionage operation. Israel can ensure the return of Gilad Shalit by further increasing the price of Jewish blood, and ceasing to trade live criminals for dead soldiers. If Gilad Shalit is not released, Gaza will have some problems. 216.171.96.18 ( talk) 14:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I think Eli Cohen was a great guy and an important subject. But the "Achievements" section I deleted doesn't belong here. It was full of weasel-worded POV and unsourced speculation. What external references there were are totally unacceptable. A reference must be verifiable by the reader. "In Arabic" makes verification impossible by at least 90% of English-speaking readers. The article is fine without the opinionating, and there's a nice list for further reading. Unless the article (not polemic) can be expanded with verifiable secondary sources, let's leave it at that. J M Rice ( talk) 13:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I emphasize THIS WAS FROM 2008.
WP:STICK seriously applies here
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What was he legally sentenced for: treachery or espionage? As a Syrian citizen or as an Israeli citizen? СЛУЖБА ( talk) 01:42, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
There's some 1960s-ish bad writing here that's lip-smacking, hackneyed and non-encyclopaedic in tone ('dazzling beauties', 'the spicier part of a spy's life'). This material is quoted from a poorly written online encyclopaedia, and it doesn't merit direct quotation. The segments of the quotation that are themselves enclosed in quotation marks aren't blessed with a primary source on the page from which they're copied.
This part needs to be rewritten, with proper sources given.
Notreallydavid ( talk) 04:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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Where is wrtiien "In 1965, Nadia, sent a letter to Hafez al-Assad...", maybe would have been to Amin al-Hafiz instead? Or in 1975? A source is needed. Regards, DPdH ( talk)
I don't see how AbuKhalil's speculation that he didn't have seventeen lovers belongs here. She just assumes that he's lying without offering any evidence. It's just hacky nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukeatomic ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
ABu Khalil s article is not a reliable source of historical fact. Stop edit warring this back in over the objections of at least 3 editors and seek consensus in this page, instead. Here come the Suns ( talk)
The rules are quite clear, "Edits by unregistered users and editors with less than 500 edits or 30 days tenure may be reverted without regarding the one revert rule." That someone wants to count the "uncountables", tells us more about them, than anything else, Huldra ( talk) 22:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should As'ad AbuKhalil writings about Eli Cohen be included in the article, or not? RfC relisted by Cunard ( talk) at 02:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC). RfC relisted by Cunard ( talk) at 23:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC). Huldra ( talk) 21:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- As should be clear from my prior comments, I agree that it should not be included. It is a biased, illogical article, not at all based on fact. The author's fixation on anti-Israel conspiracies tells us everything we need to know. The author's suggestion that the conventional knowledge of Cohen's exploits cannot be trusted because it could only have come from Cohen or Mossad smacks of classic anti-semitism. It doesn't belong here. Lukeatomic ( talk) 06:34, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
In Frederick Forsythe's 1972 book "The Odessa File" there is a passage that sounds a lot like part of the life of Eli Cohen. On page 21 of the book it discusses an Israeli agent who was the top agent in Egypt. He was captured in 1965 after a raid discovered a radio transmitter in his house. Dwnoone1 ( talk) 15:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
In the burial section can someone change:
Monthir Maosily was al-Assad's bureau chief, and he said in August 2008 that the Syrians had buried him three times to stop the remains from being brought back to Israel via a special operation
to:
Monthir Maosily, the former bureau chief of Hafez Al-Assad, claimed in August 2008 that the Syrians had buried him three times to stop the remains from being brought back to Israel via a special operation
Julia Domna Ba'al ( talk) 13:58, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
The information about Eli Cohen's suggestion to plant trees in Syrian outposts in the Golan is widely considered as false in Israel. It was removed from the Hebrew article about him after no credible source for it was found. I have not read the source for the claim in this article, though. Tzafrir ( talk) 20:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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This page needs extending by somebody who knows what the heck it's talking about...
yeah eli is a good spy he gave israel all the informations about syrian missile force . so in 1967 they lost
Good idea. I rewrote it completely. Here is the previous text:
Leaving the POV problem aside, Cohen had nothing to do with Eichmann. -- zero 10:06, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)
If you would like information, written by Eli's brother Maurice (who was a fellow agent), READ here. Please stop arbitrarily reverting information that is quite accurate. I am re-adding the information about the trees during the Six Days War and his alias's rank before being uncovered. -- Stoopideggs2 15:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I just removed this:
"On the eve of the Six Day War, two Syrian fighter jet flew towards Tel-Aviv with intent to heavily bomb the largely populated city. Israeli intelligence radiod the Syrian fighters, a message stating their real names and the names of their children. The threatened them saying that if they dropped their bombs, undercover agents would kill their families. The pilots then proceeded to drop their bombs on the sea, radio back to Syrian headquarters that the mission was a success and leave Israeli airspace."
For a start two fighters would not consistute heavy bombardment of a city the size of Tel-Aviv. Even if Israel could identify the planes in flight the claimed Israeli response is improbable. Syrian fighters entering Israeli airspace would have been shot down or forced back through force of arms. Robert Brockway 07:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Amoruso 22:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or has this page completely changed? A couple weeks ago when I read it it must have been five times longer. Maybe I am thinking about a different article?
-Liore 22:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I added this article to WikiProject Egypt because Cohen spent his young life in Egypt and qualifies as an Egyptian-Israeli. Our goal is to cultivate articles relating to Egypt, so please discuss his removal here if you still think he doesn't qualify.
-- Yitzhak1995 04:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
'Although the story may be apocryphal many claim that Cohen suggested that eucalyptus trees should be planted around Syrian military bunkers and mortars on the Golan Heights that were targeting Israel.'
who claims exactly?
fairy tails like this have no place in an encyclopedia Rm uk 01:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
You don't think that the Syrians would have removed the trees knowing they were the gift of an Israeli spy and as such had an obvious purpose? The story is apocryphal and has zero credibility. Aldiboront ( talk) 18:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Cohen was executed in martyr's square, damascus on the orders of his good friend Hafez al-Assad. He was a victim of political weakness on the part of the Alawite syrian ruling class, and a pawn in an espionage operation. Israel can ensure the return of Gilad Shalit by further increasing the price of Jewish blood, and ceasing to trade live criminals for dead soldiers. If Gilad Shalit is not released, Gaza will have some problems. 216.171.96.18 ( talk) 14:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I think Eli Cohen was a great guy and an important subject. But the "Achievements" section I deleted doesn't belong here. It was full of weasel-worded POV and unsourced speculation. What external references there were are totally unacceptable. A reference must be verifiable by the reader. "In Arabic" makes verification impossible by at least 90% of English-speaking readers. The article is fine without the opinionating, and there's a nice list for further reading. Unless the article (not polemic) can be expanded with verifiable secondary sources, let's leave it at that. J M Rice ( talk) 13:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I emphasize THIS WAS FROM 2008.
WP:STICK seriously applies here
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10:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
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What was he legally sentenced for: treachery or espionage? As a Syrian citizen or as an Israeli citizen? СЛУЖБА ( talk) 01:42, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
There's some 1960s-ish bad writing here that's lip-smacking, hackneyed and non-encyclopaedic in tone ('dazzling beauties', 'the spicier part of a spy's life'). This material is quoted from a poorly written online encyclopaedia, and it doesn't merit direct quotation. The segments of the quotation that are themselves enclosed in quotation marks aren't blessed with a primary source on the page from which they're copied.
This part needs to be rewritten, with proper sources given.
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Where is wrtiien "In 1965, Nadia, sent a letter to Hafez al-Assad...", maybe would have been to Amin al-Hafiz instead? Or in 1975? A source is needed. Regards, DPdH ( talk)
I don't see how AbuKhalil's speculation that he didn't have seventeen lovers belongs here. She just assumes that he's lying without offering any evidence. It's just hacky nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukeatomic ( talk • contribs) 00:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
ABu Khalil s article is not a reliable source of historical fact. Stop edit warring this back in over the objections of at least 3 editors and seek consensus in this page, instead. Here come the Suns ( talk)
The rules are quite clear, "Edits by unregistered users and editors with less than 500 edits or 30 days tenure may be reverted without regarding the one revert rule." That someone wants to count the "uncountables", tells us more about them, than anything else, Huldra ( talk) 22:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should As'ad AbuKhalil writings about Eli Cohen be included in the article, or not? RfC relisted by Cunard ( talk) at 02:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC). RfC relisted by Cunard ( talk) at 23:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC). Huldra ( talk) 21:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- As should be clear from my prior comments, I agree that it should not be included. It is a biased, illogical article, not at all based on fact. The author's fixation on anti-Israel conspiracies tells us everything we need to know. The author's suggestion that the conventional knowledge of Cohen's exploits cannot be trusted because it could only have come from Cohen or Mossad smacks of classic anti-semitism. It doesn't belong here. Lukeatomic ( talk) 06:34, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
In Frederick Forsythe's 1972 book "The Odessa File" there is a passage that sounds a lot like part of the life of Eli Cohen. On page 21 of the book it discusses an Israeli agent who was the top agent in Egypt. He was captured in 1965 after a raid discovered a radio transmitter in his house. Dwnoone1 ( talk) 15:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
In the burial section can someone change:
Monthir Maosily was al-Assad's bureau chief, and he said in August 2008 that the Syrians had buried him three times to stop the remains from being brought back to Israel via a special operation
to:
Monthir Maosily, the former bureau chief of Hafez Al-Assad, claimed in August 2008 that the Syrians had buried him three times to stop the remains from being brought back to Israel via a special operation
Julia Domna Ba'al ( talk) 13:58, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
The information about Eli Cohen's suggestion to plant trees in Syrian outposts in the Golan is widely considered as false in Israel. It was removed from the Hebrew article about him after no credible source for it was found. I have not read the source for the claim in this article, though. Tzafrir ( talk) 20:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)