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A POV check might be in order for the last part of this article, specifically in reference to the "250,000 yen is hardly enough to get by in a big city" comment. This is total conjecture and bias, no source listed, and certainly many people do 'get by' on a whole lot less than that amount. -- Whimper 03:14, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
I think it is fair to put the average salary as part of article. While it certainly is a POV as to whether or not you can get by on 250,000 yen per month, the lifestyle you are able to live with this salary back home (US, Canada, Australia, etc) is far better than what you can get in Japan. Knowing what the average salary allows for others to do research on the average cost of living and will give people a better idea of what to expect. HeavyJ 05:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Suggesting the the reason why 97% of Eikaiwa instructors leave in their first year is: "a lack of genuine reasons for being in Japan in the first place" is at best pejorative and biased, at worst xenophobic. "Eikaiwa teacher" is not a sub-category of "illegal immigrant". The use of the phrase "genuine reasons" implies that Eikaiwa Instructors are in Japan for some illegal reason.-- Shakujo 06:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
We read:
and then a list of four. But what language is this reference in? If in English, do English-speakers often talk about this? If Japanese, does this actually mean ビッグフォー, or 四大 something or other, or something else again?
Another thing: The article seems to promise to be about English conversation within Japan, but then pretty much ignores this and is instead about a couple of aspects of English conversation schools in Japan. -- Hoary 08:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I've come across alot of material that is critical of Eikawa, and have been thinking of adding a "criticism" section or something along those lines. there's actually too much information for me to look through, but would appreciate it if others could take a look a few links and maybe give opinions:
Topics in a 'criticism' section would address the instances of racisms, sexism, fraudulent precepts that commercial school utilize, etc. as noted in the above texts Statisticalregression 22:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I would be interested to know if anything has been written on fraud in the industry. Several times I have not been paid for work done, and others have told me they have experienced the same, sometimes involving large sums of money. How widespread is this problem, outside Nova of course? Andycjp 02:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Following on from the recent AfD discussion, I suggest that this page is renamed for the following reasons:
I suggest "English language education in Japan (Eikaiwa)" should be used. I have no issue with the term Eikaiwa being used in the article text. -- Sparkzilla talk! 03:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I know Spark isn't here anymore, but to clarify - Eikaiwa has no English equivalent. Wikipedia has likewise articles for gaijin, Chargé d'affaires, Albur etc. Not all English education takes place in eikaiwa (see JET Programme for one example). -- ZayZayEM 03:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I would strongly support a parent article English language education in Japan, which would cover teaching, curricula, organisations and students.-- ZayZayEM 03:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't "Eikaiwa" in itself already an abbreviation for "eigo kaiwa" (English language conversation)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.234.83.102 ( talk) 10:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
In the Staff section, "Eikaiwa school managers generally do not have formal backgrounds in management, but some do have Japanese language skills that allow them to communicate with Japanese management." appears to imply that (1) Special Japanese language skills are required to communicate with Japanese management and (2) Having a formal background in management helps cultivate those special language skills. Also, it's unclear what Japanese management actually means, considering that these Eikaiwa school managers are, by definition, also managers. Does anyone know what this is meant to say? -- Tangotango ( talk) 03:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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A POV check might be in order for the last part of this article, specifically in reference to the "250,000 yen is hardly enough to get by in a big city" comment. This is total conjecture and bias, no source listed, and certainly many people do 'get by' on a whole lot less than that amount. -- Whimper 03:14, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
I think it is fair to put the average salary as part of article. While it certainly is a POV as to whether or not you can get by on 250,000 yen per month, the lifestyle you are able to live with this salary back home (US, Canada, Australia, etc) is far better than what you can get in Japan. Knowing what the average salary allows for others to do research on the average cost of living and will give people a better idea of what to expect. HeavyJ 05:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Suggesting the the reason why 97% of Eikaiwa instructors leave in their first year is: "a lack of genuine reasons for being in Japan in the first place" is at best pejorative and biased, at worst xenophobic. "Eikaiwa teacher" is not a sub-category of "illegal immigrant". The use of the phrase "genuine reasons" implies that Eikaiwa Instructors are in Japan for some illegal reason.-- Shakujo 06:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
We read:
and then a list of four. But what language is this reference in? If in English, do English-speakers often talk about this? If Japanese, does this actually mean ビッグフォー, or 四大 something or other, or something else again?
Another thing: The article seems to promise to be about English conversation within Japan, but then pretty much ignores this and is instead about a couple of aspects of English conversation schools in Japan. -- Hoary 08:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I've come across alot of material that is critical of Eikawa, and have been thinking of adding a "criticism" section or something along those lines. there's actually too much information for me to look through, but would appreciate it if others could take a look a few links and maybe give opinions:
Topics in a 'criticism' section would address the instances of racisms, sexism, fraudulent precepts that commercial school utilize, etc. as noted in the above texts Statisticalregression 22:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I would be interested to know if anything has been written on fraud in the industry. Several times I have not been paid for work done, and others have told me they have experienced the same, sometimes involving large sums of money. How widespread is this problem, outside Nova of course? Andycjp 02:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Following on from the recent AfD discussion, I suggest that this page is renamed for the following reasons:
I suggest "English language education in Japan (Eikaiwa)" should be used. I have no issue with the term Eikaiwa being used in the article text. -- Sparkzilla talk! 03:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I know Spark isn't here anymore, but to clarify - Eikaiwa has no English equivalent. Wikipedia has likewise articles for gaijin, Chargé d'affaires, Albur etc. Not all English education takes place in eikaiwa (see JET Programme for one example). -- ZayZayEM 03:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I would strongly support a parent article English language education in Japan, which would cover teaching, curricula, organisations and students.-- ZayZayEM 03:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Isn't "Eikaiwa" in itself already an abbreviation for "eigo kaiwa" (English language conversation)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.234.83.102 ( talk) 10:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
In the Staff section, "Eikaiwa school managers generally do not have formal backgrounds in management, but some do have Japanese language skills that allow them to communicate with Japanese management." appears to imply that (1) Special Japanese language skills are required to communicate with Japanese management and (2) Having a formal background in management helps cultivate those special language skills. Also, it's unclear what Japanese management actually means, considering that these Eikaiwa school managers are, by definition, also managers. Does anyone know what this is meant to say? -- Tangotango ( talk) 03:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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