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A fact from Eight-ball jacket appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 February 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that at the height of their popularity, eight-ball jackets were such a status symbol in the
East Coast hip hop scene that they were frequently stolen at gunpoint?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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Comment: This is a couple days outside the usual seven-day nomination window because I was trying to get a photo of one - no luck, and I didn't realize I had gone past a week since mainspacing it. There's not a huge backlog of nominations, so hopefully it's okay if I squeeze this in. It's such a lovely oddity, I'd hate to miss out on it as a DYK.
I'm going to IAR on the nomination being a bit late. The article is long enough and has no copyright violations. Both hooks are directly cited. A QPQ has been completed. The promoter can choose the hook.
SL93 (
talk)
01:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Nope. I've been busting my ass trying to get one and no dice. Emailing people on ebay, posting on Reddit, checking Flickr... all for nothing. Got a tip that the Museum at FIT in New York has some, so I've just emailed them asking for a donated photo. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)18:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)reply
My response too. Especially after being featured on Wikipedia's home page today. Good luck finding one. Can’t you just use one on fair use?
Wis2fan (
talk)
03:52, 15 February 2022 (UTC)reply
No, since theoretically you could make a free-use photo if you could find one of the jackets, you can't use a fair use replacement. I did get a response from the FIT museum though, so hopefully that will come through. I didn't realize it was in the next queue to be posted (my bad for not checking) or I'd have asked it to be postponed till I heard back. By the time they emailed me this morning asking for more details, it was already on the front page at DYK. C'est la vie. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)03:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Someone just uploaded a copyvio image, which I chucked immediately. Maybe this needs a placeholder illustration to keep driveby users from “improving” it with unlicensed images.
Dronebogus (
talk)
14:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Relax, man. I would understand if dozens of people had tried to add CV images to the article, but it's one person who made one incorrect attempt in good faith. It hasn't even been 24 hours since the museum got in contact with me. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)14:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately nothing from the museum directly, but hoping I can get someone in the area to take a photo for me while the exhibit is up. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)20:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
"created by San Francisco–based designer Michael Hoban in 1990." — We mention in the article that '... Salt-N-Pepa, who wore the jackets in the video for "Push It"'. Since that song was released in 1987, I would not be so sure if "1990" is the accurate origin year.
Huh...wound up down a bit of a rabbit hole here. The Push It video is available on YouTube, and it's obvious that they aren't wearing 8 ball jackets at all. Very similar loudly color-blocked leather jackets, but very clearly not the actual 8-ball design. And in fact
this Vanity Fair article shows them in the same jackets and mentions that they were actually designed by the legendary
Dapper Dan. (Now, whether Dan was specifically knocking off Hoban's already-existent loud-leather-jacket schtick there is another story). So that's a fuck-up from multiple sources that I've unintentionally been spreading. Fixed now with a hatnote and explanation just so one else tries to "correct" it in the future.
Design and knockoffs
"which originally retailed for approximately $800" — since this was around 30 years ago, would you say that the
inflation template could be useful for perspective? $800 in 1990 ≈ $1800 in 2022.
I really hate including the inflation template; it makes everything so cluttered
"partnered with one shop" — Better if we can name the shop.
Sure
"and sold at a lower price point than the mainline jackets" — Would we know that approximate price or price range?
$299 as it turns out
Original trend
"Other rappers referenced the jackets in their songs" — I noticed that the source does not say names, but are there other sources that name notable rappers we can mention here?
I didn't find any other contemporary notables named in sources; I suspect it may have been an underground thing at the time, or just something that went unremarked in secondary sources
"In 2009, two suspects...were arrested." — Since this was 13 years ago, do mention whether they were convicted or acquitted, if there are sources you can find on that.
Couldn't find any updates on them. Probably pled out, which wouldn't really have been all that newsworthy.
Legacy
"hip-hop culture" — has been linked previously in "Design and knockoffs".
Fixed
References
Use consistent date formats — yyyy-mm-dd or mm-dd-yyyy
Linking could be more consistent — if you are linking "work" and "website" whenever first mentioned, make sure you do them for all (for instance, Vulture is not linked and The New York Times is linked twice).
Both done (I believe, but I am liable to miss things occasionally)
Glad you enjoyed it! I saw it on the requested articles list and was like, "what the fuck is an eight-ball jacket?" Turns out the answer is "a great deal of fun to write about." Hopefully my fixes are suitable and I didn't miss anything. The only one I didn't do was the inflation template (let me know your thoughts). Cheers! ♠
PMC♠
(talk)05:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)reply
I wasn't sure if the template would be useful so I asked — it does make things look cluttered, and on another look, it isn't very necessary here. I wish we had a template that would show the inflation adjusted amount when you hover the mouse over it. "what the fuck is an eight-ball jacket?" is what I thought when I saw it on GAN and thought it would make for a fun review; it did not disappoint! —
The Most ComfortableChair11:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)reply
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A fact from Eight-ball jacket appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 February 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that at the height of their popularity, eight-ball jackets were such a status symbol in the
East Coast hip hop scene that they were frequently stolen at gunpoint?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment: This is a couple days outside the usual seven-day nomination window because I was trying to get a photo of one - no luck, and I didn't realize I had gone past a week since mainspacing it. There's not a huge backlog of nominations, so hopefully it's okay if I squeeze this in. It's such a lovely oddity, I'd hate to miss out on it as a DYK.
I'm going to IAR on the nomination being a bit late. The article is long enough and has no copyright violations. Both hooks are directly cited. A QPQ has been completed. The promoter can choose the hook.
SL93 (
talk)
01:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Nope. I've been busting my ass trying to get one and no dice. Emailing people on ebay, posting on Reddit, checking Flickr... all for nothing. Got a tip that the Museum at FIT in New York has some, so I've just emailed them asking for a donated photo. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)18:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)reply
My response too. Especially after being featured on Wikipedia's home page today. Good luck finding one. Can’t you just use one on fair use?
Wis2fan (
talk)
03:52, 15 February 2022 (UTC)reply
No, since theoretically you could make a free-use photo if you could find one of the jackets, you can't use a fair use replacement. I did get a response from the FIT museum though, so hopefully that will come through. I didn't realize it was in the next queue to be posted (my bad for not checking) or I'd have asked it to be postponed till I heard back. By the time they emailed me this morning asking for more details, it was already on the front page at DYK. C'est la vie. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)03:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Someone just uploaded a copyvio image, which I chucked immediately. Maybe this needs a placeholder illustration to keep driveby users from “improving” it with unlicensed images.
Dronebogus (
talk)
14:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Relax, man. I would understand if dozens of people had tried to add CV images to the article, but it's one person who made one incorrect attempt in good faith. It hasn't even been 24 hours since the museum got in contact with me. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)14:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately nothing from the museum directly, but hoping I can get someone in the area to take a photo for me while the exhibit is up. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)20:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)reply
"created by San Francisco–based designer Michael Hoban in 1990." — We mention in the article that '... Salt-N-Pepa, who wore the jackets in the video for "Push It"'. Since that song was released in 1987, I would not be so sure if "1990" is the accurate origin year.
Huh...wound up down a bit of a rabbit hole here. The Push It video is available on YouTube, and it's obvious that they aren't wearing 8 ball jackets at all. Very similar loudly color-blocked leather jackets, but very clearly not the actual 8-ball design. And in fact
this Vanity Fair article shows them in the same jackets and mentions that they were actually designed by the legendary
Dapper Dan. (Now, whether Dan was specifically knocking off Hoban's already-existent loud-leather-jacket schtick there is another story). So that's a fuck-up from multiple sources that I've unintentionally been spreading. Fixed now with a hatnote and explanation just so one else tries to "correct" it in the future.
Design and knockoffs
"which originally retailed for approximately $800" — since this was around 30 years ago, would you say that the
inflation template could be useful for perspective? $800 in 1990 ≈ $1800 in 2022.
I really hate including the inflation template; it makes everything so cluttered
"partnered with one shop" — Better if we can name the shop.
Sure
"and sold at a lower price point than the mainline jackets" — Would we know that approximate price or price range?
$299 as it turns out
Original trend
"Other rappers referenced the jackets in their songs" — I noticed that the source does not say names, but are there other sources that name notable rappers we can mention here?
I didn't find any other contemporary notables named in sources; I suspect it may have been an underground thing at the time, or just something that went unremarked in secondary sources
"In 2009, two suspects...were arrested." — Since this was 13 years ago, do mention whether they were convicted or acquitted, if there are sources you can find on that.
Couldn't find any updates on them. Probably pled out, which wouldn't really have been all that newsworthy.
Legacy
"hip-hop culture" — has been linked previously in "Design and knockoffs".
Fixed
References
Use consistent date formats — yyyy-mm-dd or mm-dd-yyyy
Linking could be more consistent — if you are linking "work" and "website" whenever first mentioned, make sure you do them for all (for instance, Vulture is not linked and The New York Times is linked twice).
Both done (I believe, but I am liable to miss things occasionally)
Glad you enjoyed it! I saw it on the requested articles list and was like, "what the fuck is an eight-ball jacket?" Turns out the answer is "a great deal of fun to write about." Hopefully my fixes are suitable and I didn't miss anything. The only one I didn't do was the inflation template (let me know your thoughts). Cheers! ♠
PMC♠
(talk)05:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)reply
I wasn't sure if the template would be useful so I asked — it does make things look cluttered, and on another look, it isn't very necessary here. I wish we had a template that would show the inflation adjusted amount when you hover the mouse over it. "what the fuck is an eight-ball jacket?" is what I thought when I saw it on GAN and thought it would make for a fun review; it did not disappoint! —
The Most ComfortableChair11:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)reply