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Frequently asked questions The main points of this FAQ ( Talk:Effects of pornography#FAQ) can be summarized as:
More detail is given on this point, below.
Q1: Why don't you state pornography addiction as fact?
A1: Our policies on Wikipedia, in particular
WP:WEIGHT and
WP:FRINGE, require us to provide coverage to views based on their prominence within
reliable sources, and we must reflect the opinion of the scientific community as accurately as possible. For example, if the
APA will include pornography addiction in the
DSM, then Wikipedia will rubber-stamp its decision. Otherwise, Wikipedia isn't here to give a "
fair and balanced" treatment to your pet ideas. In this respect, Wikipedia is merely a mirror which reflects medical orthodoxy. There is no official document from
WHO,
AMA,
APA,
Cochrane or
APA which would imply that sex/porn/masturbation addiction would be a valid diagnosis. (CSBD isn't an addiction.)
Q2: Why don't you state that porn use is
paraphilia (pictophilia)?
A2: The majority of US men use porn.
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5] What the majority does is axiomatically clinically normal in psychiatry. According to
The Huffington Post, 70% of men and 30% of women watch porn.
[6] Quite probably, the majority of US population between ages 18 and 35 use porn at least once a week.
[7] Conclusion? The people who say porn use is paraphilia should suck it up and be a man: they lost the debate, so they should quit whining.
DSM-5 code for pornography use? Not any. ICD-10 code for pornography use? Not any. ICD-11 code for pornography use? Not any. So, of course it isn't paraphilia. Even allowing that an excessive obsession with porn is paraphilia, normal (ordinary) porn use isn't. Q3: Why don't you state that pornography increases sexual aggression?
A3: Our policies on Wikipedia, in particular
WP:WEIGHT and
WP:FRINGE, require us to provide coverage to views based on their prominence within
reliable sources, and we must reflect the opinion of the scientific community as accurately as possible. Crime statistics make the claim highly unlikely, and per
WP:EXTRAORDINARY multiple, independent and very strong
WP:MEDRS-compliant sources are required in order to overturn long-standing
medical consensus, see also
WP:RS/AC. Otherwise, Wikipedia isn't here to give a "
fair and balanced" treatment to your pet ideas. In this respect, Wikipedia is merely a mirror which reflects medical orthodoxy.
Does Malamuth say that pornography increases sexual aggression? Nope, that's a misreading of his papers, as he himself declared to Quartz publication. [8] Past discussions References
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1. The section about higher STD rates for sex workers is not contextualized within the article which seems to be mainly about the consumption of pornography and not the impact on producers (sex workers). Challenges faced by sex workers should be more clearly be delineated in the intro if the article is going to discuss it, sex workers are also impacted by societal views on sex workers and pornography and not only the pornography itself.
2. The intro has this sentence: "Consumption of pornographic material is associated with negative and positive impacts"
Where does the article mention the positive effects? If we don't delve into positive effects in the article then we should just remove that sentence.
3. The intro briefly states "some people may become addicted to it" but no context is provided. Some studies suggest that a small percentage of individuals may experience problematic or compulsive patterns of porn consumption that could be classified as an addiction. However, it's important to note that not everyone who consumes porn will develop an addiction, and people can engage in such behavior without negative consequences. Drocj ( talk) 08:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I realized that we had to outline the changes we made for the wiki instead of putting it just in the edit review/version history
So here is the comprehensive list of changes that I made to reach the most recent version of this Effects of Pornography article: (FROM TOP TO BOTTOM)
I have been tackling this article for about 2 months for my Wiki Project, I have done all I could in the course of the semester and will probably have some mistakes. I've updated the article with the sources I could find so that they're all backed with some kind of proof. I added pictures as well to break off the text walls for an easier read. I am still a student and will not have perfect judgment as to what is best for the article, but I have done my best to improve it
Thankyou
( should any changes need to be made, please feel free to edit after :) ) Raiyaka ( talk) 08:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
association between poor relationship satisfaction and porn useonly holds for white men (that is: not for women, and not for men of other races). At the Dutch Wikipedia such edit was reverted together with deleting the association claim, because the recorded effect was too small.
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Frequently asked questions The main points of this FAQ ( Talk:Effects of pornography#FAQ) can be summarized as:
More detail is given on this point, below.
Q1: Why don't you state pornography addiction as fact?
A1: Our policies on Wikipedia, in particular
WP:WEIGHT and
WP:FRINGE, require us to provide coverage to views based on their prominence within
reliable sources, and we must reflect the opinion of the scientific community as accurately as possible. For example, if the
APA will include pornography addiction in the
DSM, then Wikipedia will rubber-stamp its decision. Otherwise, Wikipedia isn't here to give a "
fair and balanced" treatment to your pet ideas. In this respect, Wikipedia is merely a mirror which reflects medical orthodoxy. There is no official document from
WHO,
AMA,
APA,
Cochrane or
APA which would imply that sex/porn/masturbation addiction would be a valid diagnosis. (CSBD isn't an addiction.)
Q2: Why don't you state that porn use is
paraphilia (pictophilia)?
A2: The majority of US men use porn.
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5] What the majority does is axiomatically clinically normal in psychiatry. According to
The Huffington Post, 70% of men and 30% of women watch porn.
[6] Quite probably, the majority of US population between ages 18 and 35 use porn at least once a week.
[7] Conclusion? The people who say porn use is paraphilia should suck it up and be a man: they lost the debate, so they should quit whining.
DSM-5 code for pornography use? Not any. ICD-10 code for pornography use? Not any. ICD-11 code for pornography use? Not any. So, of course it isn't paraphilia. Even allowing that an excessive obsession with porn is paraphilia, normal (ordinary) porn use isn't. Q3: Why don't you state that pornography increases sexual aggression?
A3: Our policies on Wikipedia, in particular
WP:WEIGHT and
WP:FRINGE, require us to provide coverage to views based on their prominence within
reliable sources, and we must reflect the opinion of the scientific community as accurately as possible. Crime statistics make the claim highly unlikely, and per
WP:EXTRAORDINARY multiple, independent and very strong
WP:MEDRS-compliant sources are required in order to overturn long-standing
medical consensus, see also
WP:RS/AC. Otherwise, Wikipedia isn't here to give a "
fair and balanced" treatment to your pet ideas. In this respect, Wikipedia is merely a mirror which reflects medical orthodoxy.
Does Malamuth say that pornography increases sexual aggression? Nope, that's a misreading of his papers, as he himself declared to Quartz publication. [8] Past discussions References
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 15 December 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Raiyaka (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Songbirdsnake.
— Assignment last updated by Songbirdsnake ( talk) 19:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
1. The section about higher STD rates for sex workers is not contextualized within the article which seems to be mainly about the consumption of pornography and not the impact on producers (sex workers). Challenges faced by sex workers should be more clearly be delineated in the intro if the article is going to discuss it, sex workers are also impacted by societal views on sex workers and pornography and not only the pornography itself.
2. The intro has this sentence: "Consumption of pornographic material is associated with negative and positive impacts"
Where does the article mention the positive effects? If we don't delve into positive effects in the article then we should just remove that sentence.
3. The intro briefly states "some people may become addicted to it" but no context is provided. Some studies suggest that a small percentage of individuals may experience problematic or compulsive patterns of porn consumption that could be classified as an addiction. However, it's important to note that not everyone who consumes porn will develop an addiction, and people can engage in such behavior without negative consequences. Drocj ( talk) 08:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I realized that we had to outline the changes we made for the wiki instead of putting it just in the edit review/version history
So here is the comprehensive list of changes that I made to reach the most recent version of this Effects of Pornography article: (FROM TOP TO BOTTOM)
I have been tackling this article for about 2 months for my Wiki Project, I have done all I could in the course of the semester and will probably have some mistakes. I've updated the article with the sources I could find so that they're all backed with some kind of proof. I added pictures as well to break off the text walls for an easier read. I am still a student and will not have perfect judgment as to what is best for the article, but I have done my best to improve it
Thankyou
( should any changes need to be made, please feel free to edit after :) ) Raiyaka ( talk) 08:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
association between poor relationship satisfaction and porn useonly holds for white men (that is: not for women, and not for men of other races). At the Dutch Wikipedia such edit was reverted together with deleting the association claim, because the recorded effect was too small.