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Seeing how Bishop Long is under 3 civil lawsuits perhaps it would be of interest to add to his article that he is under a senate probe also?
Sen. Chuck Grassley, ranking member of the Committee on Finance, has asked Bishop Eddie Long and five other media-based ministries for information regarding expenses, executive compensation, and amenities given to executives. http://grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=12011
Bobmutch 6:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
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98.88.130.107 ( talk) 12:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
On a related note, Mr. Long's career section is riddled with controversial type statements. Perhaps they should be moved into a separate section like in other biographies.
Veriss (
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14:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
The usages of his style "Bishop" in his info box. There is no indication that this rank, position, title or style was granted to Mr. Long by some organization with any standing. Is it correct to use this "style" in Long's info box without a source indicating it's more then a self-awarded title? Should it be removed if there is no discussion of how he got it? Veriss ( talk) 14:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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Eddie long is Not a member of Kappa Alpha Psi
Snipes98 ( talk) 18:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Not done: please provide
reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. According to
this source, he is. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
Uncle Dick (
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19:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed the collapsed section below (click the "show" link) about a graduation boycott in 2006 from the article. Given the passage of time, I just don't see the lasting importance of a speaker cancelling an appearance, or students "discussing a boycott" to a proper biography of this man. Particularly given the recent expansion of (properly sourced) negative information, this indicent violates WP:UNDUE. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 16:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
References
I found three new sources that discuss several key points that the article doesn't cover very well yet. They provide important information concerning:
http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2010/09/bishop-eddie-long-the-baptist.html
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/3429/eddie_long%3A_the_real_scandal_is_even_bigger
http://198.106.21.96/download/ECCLESIA%20ebook%20no%20ads.pdf
They may not all meet the criteria for notability and reliability but could help editors fill in some gaps and develop leads to appropriately notable and reliable sources. The article does merit more weight in the career and ministry sections compared to all the large and growing controversy sections. I'm not sure I'm qualified to wade through all this info but I present the links in hopes more qualified folks can use it.
I left out the google search about his alleged toupee...humorous but not encyclopedic I don't think. :) Veriss ( talk) 01:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I can answer that question but the article fails to answer it so if you want to include it you need to explain WTH Martin is. We need to justify why he deserves a quote. Fix it by explaining who he is in the text of the article or it needs to go IMO. Veriss ( talk) 03:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
here i reverted because i thought there was unsourced material added. but a formatted reference with a citation template was reduced to a url at the end with lots of the article included. i think the revert is still appropriate, although because the addition was WP:UNDUE and it appeared to not be WP:NPOV. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 17:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Introduction Section ___________________________________________________________________________________________________
In introductions it states: During this time, Long has become the focus of Senate investigations concerning whether he has personally profited from his church's tax exempt status and lawsuits alleging homosexual misconduct with underage male members of his parish. Long has denied wrong doing through his attorneys and has settled the lawsuits out of court.
While this maybe true, it is also mentioned in the controversies section. Furthermore, placement here disparages the individual without citations. I see no reason to mar this individual in the introduction with a senate investigation that may reveal no wrong doing. It is relevant to include this in the controversy section. I am unsure if investigation is concluded with results? If so, it would be great to relay this information. Also, the "alleging homosexual misconduct" is ambivalent in the introduction. Later it is explained in greater detail, but has little purpose here. Furthermore, care should be taken with the language and nuance used to describe these allegations. This individual has anti-homosexual writings and statement. Yet he is embattled with allegations of homosexual relationships. Meaning, he may be very defensive about statements that brand him homosexual and damage his book sales and ministry. The uncited placement in the introduction indicts this individual and can be interpreted as liable. Particularly, considering the lawsuits were settled out-of-court and the terms were undisclosed.
For this reason I removed this small intro section.
Newtonsghost ( talk) 19:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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Can any sources elaborate on the cause of death? Is "aggressive form of cancer" perhaps a euphemism for AIDS? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.169.40.9 ( talk) 14:17, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
There are sources all over the internet speculating aids, and his alleged sexual history alludes to a possibility. What is interesting is that he became reclusive and choose to stay away from his church and hide his illness from them. If it was a cancer, then he could have spoken openly and asked for their prayers, and talked about doctor's appointments. He had rapid weight loss at the end which could be indicative of any serious disease. But AIDS is related to a variety of cancers and can indicate the final stages of that disease. It's fairly common to list pneumonia or cancer on death certificates rather than the underlying illness such as aids or alz.
What is also interesting is: http://www.christianpost.com/news/eddie-long-tells-church-hes-ignoring-their-calls-because-people-are-asking-too-many-questions-172601/. Here he states the reason that he does not want to return calls from his followers is that he is getting too many questions, questions which could have been answered by family or email or other church elder. From a linguistic point of view, he said he "didn't want to rehearse facts." Perhaps he meant he didn't want to recite them by repeating them over and over. The word rehears would indicate that he didn't want to make up a convincing lie. This however is speculation due to his own secrecy. At this moment, there does not appear to be clarity from the press, or coroner. 2601:14B:4401:D5C0:E969:71C9:F2D2:472E ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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Seeing how Bishop Long is under 3 civil lawsuits perhaps it would be of interest to add to his article that he is under a senate probe also?
Sen. Chuck Grassley, ranking member of the Committee on Finance, has asked Bishop Eddie Long and five other media-based ministries for information regarding expenses, executive compensation, and amenities given to executives. http://grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=12011
Bobmutch 6:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
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98.88.130.107 ( talk) 12:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
On a related note, Mr. Long's career section is riddled with controversial type statements. Perhaps they should be moved into a separate section like in other biographies.
Veriss (
talk)
14:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
The usages of his style "Bishop" in his info box. There is no indication that this rank, position, title or style was granted to Mr. Long by some organization with any standing. Is it correct to use this "style" in Long's info box without a source indicating it's more then a self-awarded title? Should it be removed if there is no discussion of how he got it? Veriss ( talk) 14:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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Eddie long is Not a member of Kappa Alpha Psi
Snipes98 ( talk) 18:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Not done: please provide
reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. According to
this source, he is. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
Uncle Dick (
talk)
19:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed the collapsed section below (click the "show" link) about a graduation boycott in 2006 from the article. Given the passage of time, I just don't see the lasting importance of a speaker cancelling an appearance, or students "discussing a boycott" to a proper biography of this man. Particularly given the recent expansion of (properly sourced) negative information, this indicent violates WP:UNDUE. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 16:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
References
I found three new sources that discuss several key points that the article doesn't cover very well yet. They provide important information concerning:
http://www.thebigdaddyweave.com/2010/09/bishop-eddie-long-the-baptist.html
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/3429/eddie_long%3A_the_real_scandal_is_even_bigger
http://198.106.21.96/download/ECCLESIA%20ebook%20no%20ads.pdf
They may not all meet the criteria for notability and reliability but could help editors fill in some gaps and develop leads to appropriately notable and reliable sources. The article does merit more weight in the career and ministry sections compared to all the large and growing controversy sections. I'm not sure I'm qualified to wade through all this info but I present the links in hopes more qualified folks can use it.
I left out the google search about his alleged toupee...humorous but not encyclopedic I don't think. :) Veriss ( talk) 01:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I can answer that question but the article fails to answer it so if you want to include it you need to explain WTH Martin is. We need to justify why he deserves a quote. Fix it by explaining who he is in the text of the article or it needs to go IMO. Veriss ( talk) 03:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
here i reverted because i thought there was unsourced material added. but a formatted reference with a citation template was reduced to a url at the end with lots of the article included. i think the revert is still appropriate, although because the addition was WP:UNDUE and it appeared to not be WP:NPOV. - Shootbamboo ( talk) 17:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Introduction Section ___________________________________________________________________________________________________
In introductions it states: During this time, Long has become the focus of Senate investigations concerning whether he has personally profited from his church's tax exempt status and lawsuits alleging homosexual misconduct with underage male members of his parish. Long has denied wrong doing through his attorneys and has settled the lawsuits out of court.
While this maybe true, it is also mentioned in the controversies section. Furthermore, placement here disparages the individual without citations. I see no reason to mar this individual in the introduction with a senate investigation that may reveal no wrong doing. It is relevant to include this in the controversy section. I am unsure if investigation is concluded with results? If so, it would be great to relay this information. Also, the "alleging homosexual misconduct" is ambivalent in the introduction. Later it is explained in greater detail, but has little purpose here. Furthermore, care should be taken with the language and nuance used to describe these allegations. This individual has anti-homosexual writings and statement. Yet he is embattled with allegations of homosexual relationships. Meaning, he may be very defensive about statements that brand him homosexual and damage his book sales and ministry. The uncited placement in the introduction indicts this individual and can be interpreted as liable. Particularly, considering the lawsuits were settled out-of-court and the terms were undisclosed.
For this reason I removed this small intro section.
Newtonsghost ( talk) 19:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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Can any sources elaborate on the cause of death? Is "aggressive form of cancer" perhaps a euphemism for AIDS? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.169.40.9 ( talk) 14:17, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
There are sources all over the internet speculating aids, and his alleged sexual history alludes to a possibility. What is interesting is that he became reclusive and choose to stay away from his church and hide his illness from them. If it was a cancer, then he could have spoken openly and asked for their prayers, and talked about doctor's appointments. He had rapid weight loss at the end which could be indicative of any serious disease. But AIDS is related to a variety of cancers and can indicate the final stages of that disease. It's fairly common to list pneumonia or cancer on death certificates rather than the underlying illness such as aids or alz.
What is also interesting is: http://www.christianpost.com/news/eddie-long-tells-church-hes-ignoring-their-calls-because-people-are-asking-too-many-questions-172601/. Here he states the reason that he does not want to return calls from his followers is that he is getting too many questions, questions which could have been answered by family or email or other church elder. From a linguistic point of view, he said he "didn't want to rehearse facts." Perhaps he meant he didn't want to recite them by repeating them over and over. The word rehears would indicate that he didn't want to make up a convincing lie. This however is speculation due to his own secrecy. At this moment, there does not appear to be clarity from the press, or coroner. 2601:14B:4401:D5C0:E969:71C9:F2D2:472E ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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