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The statement that refers to the number of Eastern Christians that are Eastern Rite Catholics seems very out of place, POV and insulting. Maybe you think that I am being too thin skinned here but there has to be a better way of putting it. The statement only holds true if you count all the different protestants who live in the East as Eastern Christians. If this were not bad enough, it also seems as if your numbers are based on Latin Rite Catholics who live in the East as well, which seem wrong; using Catholic numbers to make a seemingly derogatory statement against Eastern Catholics. On top of that, we must consider the huge population of Russia, and the fact that all Russians are said to belong to the Church of Russia, even if they are not baptized and never go to Liturgy!
What would be a much fairer way to handle this, besides just not making the insulting statement AT ALL, would be to separate it out by rite or location or even by local church. It certainly is true that Byzantine Catholics are vastly out numbered by Byzantine non Catholics. It is also true that Coptic as well as Ethiopian Catholics are aswell vastly outnumbered. The same could be said for Armenian Catholics but then our definition of what an Armenian Catholic is must be clarified. Outside of the country of Armenia, there are more Armenian Catholics then Armenian Rite non Catholics. So it depends on how you want to define your groups. If we refer to Syrian Rite Catholics, we all have to admit that they outnumber the Syrian Rite non Catholics. If we speak of Byzantine Rite in the Middle East but not in Europe, Catholics again are in the majority. If we talk about Byzantine Rite in Italy, again, the Catholics are the majority. Now, it is true that there are more Non Catholic Christians in India then Catholic Christians, and that is without counting the protestants who most Indian Christians do not count as Christians. However, just one of the Catholic Catholic Churches in Idia is larger then any other when compared church to church.
These kind of remarks, stating that ONLY 10% of Easter Christians are Catholic, is the kind of double standard of discrimination that is always heeped on Catholics. You want to make Eastern Catholics seem like the small, weak and out of place group. Considering that most of this number is hugely affected by the population of Russia and the trumped up number of Church enrollment there, I really feel like the statement needs to be said a different way or excluded from the article all together. This kind of statement is only really used, not for informational purposes but to try to discredit the validity of the Eastern Catholic Churches.
On this last point we could also point out a number of different things. In the cases of the Ukrainian Catholics Church, Melkite Catholic Church, Syrian Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church, Syro-Malabar Catholic Churc, Chaldean Catholic Church, Armenian Catholic ChurchIt, Italo-Greek Catholic Church, Hungarian Greek Catholic Church was the Church leadership of these churches that established communion with the Catholic Church and thus these Churches are the true legitimate continuation of the original deposit of faith in the area for these churches. The other Churches in the area that do not have communion with the Catholic Church but have communion with other churches represent a schism from the original Church. This status could also be said to exist in several other of the Catholic Churches but not all of course. In some cases the information is very hazy as to exactly how certain elections came about but the Belerusian Catholic Church and the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church are certainly in the grey area. Now it is true that the Coptic Catholic, Byzantine Greek Catholic, Ethiopian Catholic, and Russian Catholic Churches represent certain bishops, priest and lay faithful that went into schism with their local Church leadership in order to establish communion with Rome. I find it interesting that in all of the articles about the churches listed on this site, great pains were made to point out that they are just in schism with the original Church leadership but no mention is made of the cases where the original church leadership joined into communion with Rome and the mirror Churches of `orthodoxy` are the ones in schism, leaving the church in protest of the rightful decision of the true church leadership. I suspect a sutle conspiracy is involved in this.
I see a lot non factual Anti-East, anti-Catholic information on this site and I am not the only one to complain about it. I understand that writers get things wrong and that this site is limited to the knowledge of its apperantly amatuer, non professional staff but still, if you did not know that this was an issue before, please take this into consideration now and make some changes to be fair and respectful to all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.127.251.137 ( talk) 04:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that a section on the Vatican II and post-Vatican II reforms as applied to the Eastern Catholic Churches would be quite useful. We are actually living in very heady times. In order to avoid unseemly fights, I'm starting a sandbox for the page and invite the community that visits here to stop by and contribute. TMLutas 19:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
This term redirects here but is not found in the article. Can this be rectified, either by expansion or by stubbing? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
What's about Slavonic Eastern Catholic Church or Catholic Church of Eastern Slavonic rite (pol. Kośćioł Katolicki obrzędku wschodniosłowianskiego. ukr. Католицька церква східнословянського обряду), so called Neouniates? In Kostomloty one parish is exists and today.Anyway, we need a chapter about defunct churches (Byzantine Catholic CHurch of Constantinople, Grek Catholic church of Cyprus (in Kingdom of Cyprus)etc). Another question: Armenian Catholic Church in Eastern Europe (under archbishop of Leopolis) is part of common Armenian Catholic Church or separate church of Armenian rite like there are many churches of Byzantine rite. And where are offical names of these churches used by Vatican? For example, Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is called Catholic Church of Byzantine-Ukrainian rite (Ecclesia Catholica Ritu Byzantino-Ukrainensis)/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.86.230.114 ( talk) 14:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The anonymous editor at IP 117.196.129.245 claims that the date of union or foundation of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church is 1663, the date of the ordination of Bishop Chandy. The Church itself disagrees, claiming to have maintained its identity since the first century (see About Syro-Malabar Church) and that not all of the Thomas Christians participated in the break from Rome by "most" of them in 1653 ( The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church). (See also History of the Syro-Malabar Church.) Stephen Neill's A History of Christianity in India (Cambridge University Press, 2004 ISBN 0521548853, 9780521548854), which recounts on p. 325 the episcopal ordination of Bishop Chandy, certainly does not present it as an act of union of a formerly separated Church with that of Rome nor as the foundation of a new Church (since Chandy was consecrated to carry on the work of Bishop Sebastiani, who was being expelled by the new Dutch masters of Cochin). I have therefore put "date disputed" as an indication of the date of union or foundation of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. This neither affirms nor denies the anonymous editor's point of view, and only makes a neutral statement on the question. Lima ( talk) 14:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
There is currently discussion regarding the creation of a work group specifically to deal with articles dealing with the Eastern Catholic Churches, among others, here. Any parties interested in working in such a group are welcome to indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 16:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the epithet 'Greek' from these names: Albanian Greek Catholic Church, Belarusian Greek Catholic Church, Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, Hungarian Greek Catholic Church, Macedonian Greek Catholic Church, Slovak Greek Catholic Church, Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. I removed the epithet 'Byzantine' from Byzantine Church of the Eparchy of Križevci and Greek Byzantine Catholic Church. In the cases of these churches, the terms 'Greek' and 'Byzantine' have no official and historical value. You should not use a vague interpretation of these terms and apply them against official and historical usage. I mean by official and historical usage the official and historical usage at the Vatican. Those who used a Constantinopolitan rite were never called Greeks unless they were Greeks. Please provide official and historical documents to support the use of the terms 'Greek' and 'Byzantine'. Nestorius Auranites ( talk) 19:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I came to this page in search of a quick answer as to whether Eastern Catholics include the Filioque. The article states that this was a reason for the Great Schism (duh) and, a few lines later, that Eastern churches wishing to restore Communion with Rome were welcomed back without "question of requiring them to adopt the customs of the Latin Church." I'm sure there's some WP: bit about wikipedia not being a cheat sheet, and it is entirely possible that the answer to my question is somewhere buried in the article, but I think it's reasonable to ask that a point as important as this be addressed clearly and in a position of some prominence within the article.
Do Eastern Catholics believe in the filioque? Does it vary from particular church to particular church? Wormwoodpoppies ( talk) 21:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand why this section is here, and if it ought to be here why there is only one listed, and this fairly recently. It seems very odd to have it here the way it is. Orpheus42 08:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I have read that in prewar Poland there were some Byzantine Slavonic rite churches created on the iniative of the Latin Church in Poland that were subject to the local Latin bishop unaffiliated with any established Ritual Church like the UGCC or other Union of Brest product. These chuches many due to persecutions from the 2nd Republic government, left Catholicism to join the Polish Orthodox Church and the rest were lost during World War 2. However, 1 parish fulltime and 2 other parish on a semi basis still celebrate this variety. Shouldnt it be mentioned? Here is a link with some reading of it http://rumkatkilise.org/Belarus%20catholic_church_in_poland.htm Nova2488 ( talk) 21:07, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
It is quite evident that the initial paragraph in this section is merely a rant in the continued terminology issue. The individuals on the "Roman.." side are simply cherry picking the very few documents which mention the "Roman" prefix. This is inappropriate and unnecessary unless it also mentions the fact that for the GRAND majority of Church documents it refers to itself as simply "The Catholic Church" or just "The Church".
Sourced documentation of this is so overwhelming, beginning with the latest version of Church beliefs: the Catechism of the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Providing a sources for every time the Church refers to itself as such could take most of this article. I'd say the Catechism more than suffices to make the point.
But to present merely the "Roman-" terminologic POV without the entire picture is quite insincere to the topic and certainly not from a Neutral point of view. Micael ( talk) 15:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
The two separate lists under the current sections "Membership" and "Eastern Catholic Churches" could probably merged, for convenience by better overview. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 11:29, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Only some Eastern Catholic Churches were Uniate Churches. From what I have read, the term usually described the metropolitanate in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – after the Metropolitanate of Kiev (1458–1596) bishops formally entered into ecclesial communion with the Catholic Church in the Union of Brest. See Josaphat Kuntsevych § Historical and religious background, pl:Kościół unicki w I Rzeczypospolitej ( translation), and uk:Руська унійна церква ( translation).
Was "Uniate Church" the actual name of the Metropolitanate of Kiev in ecclesial communion with the Catholic Church?
Is Uniat or Uniate used as a pejorative term by anyone other than Russian Orthodox? – BoBoMisiu ( talk) 02:15, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
It will be best to move the "Terminology" section to later in the article and begin with the History section, as do most of Wikipedia articles on religious organizations. Thoughts/discussion? Majoreditor ( talk) 16:54, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
This paragraph:
And the one that follows it shows blatant pro-Rome bias and is inappropriate cheerleading for an encyclopedia article. TheCormac ( talk) 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Although I have attempted to merge some content, there still seems to be some reteated contents in a few places in this article which is a little bit too much. Please feel free to help. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 07:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC) Chicbyaccident ( talk) 07:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved as consensus to keep the article at it's current name has been established. ( non-admin closure) — Music1201 talk 16:00, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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@ Chicbyaccident: could you please explain what you mean by placing the {{ incomplete}} tag on the article last month? You did not open a corresponding discussion about it. What do you think is missing and how can we address it? Elizium23 ( talk) 20:38, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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In English, we distinguish between Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy. Do we maintain that distinction in reference to Catholic Churches?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
There is no reason why the word "Churches" is repeatedly Capitalized. I understand the word Church in "Eastern Orthodox Chuch" should be capitilized because it is part of a proper name. However, the word "churches" in "Eastern Catholic churches" is not a proper name for any thing, person, or organization. It does not qualify under MOS:PN. It is a general descriptive noun for these group of chuches. For example: American people and List of Orthodox churches are not capitalized correctly. — አቤል ዳዊት ? (Janweh64) ( talk) 01:32, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I support "churches". I would suggest bringing about a proper move request. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 07:20, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I prefer "Churches". This is a proper and well-defined group with a specific list of members. It even has its own proper code of law, as a group, which would seem to suggest that the various Eastern Catholic Churches do actually constitute a single, juridically defined, proper entity together (like the United States). LacrimosaDiesIlla ( talk) 23:44, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, someone has been fiddling with the statistics on numbers of the faithful in this article. The data is already cited to the Annuario Pontificio but the year is not specified. This in itself is an error, and should be addressed. But there is a huge difference between 10 million and 18 million, so we cannot accept the changes without a specific source cited for them. Thank you. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 ( talk) 18:22, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Editors disagree on whether the article subject is a proper noun. Supporters of the move argue that the term refers to all churches affiliated with Eastern Christianity, while opposers note that the capitalized "Churches" is more commonly used to refer to the subject as a "defined group". ( non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 20:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Eastern Catholic Churches → Eastern Catholic churches – This is a repetition of a request made a couple of years ago by myself (under former username): Talk:Eastern_Catholic_Churches/Archive_3#Requested_move_16_November_2016. However, I'm not sure the two commentators understood the rationale. This article doesn't cover a communion of churches. It covers a few churches. Not Churches. We routinely disregard Certain American Way of Spelling of Things. PPEMES ( talk) 11:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Kostas20142 ( talk) 14:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Eastern Catholic Churches sui iuris[8]
Eastern Churches, Churches of the East, Oriental Churches, Eastern Churches in communion with the Apostolic See of Rome[9]
Oriental Catholic Churches[10]
Eastern Catholic Churches, Catholic Eastern Churchesetc. Google Ngram seems to show a preference for the capitalized form, with differences between American English Ngram vs British English Ngram. A another previous discussion on the issue seems to indicate that Eastern Catholic Churches should be capitalized when considering them as a formal, distinct, clearly defined group, and written Eastern Catholic churches when considering members of the set. The current article is clearly abotu the set as a whole. Also pinging participants to the previous move discussion: @ Music1201, Nohomersryan, and TonyBallioni:. Place Clichy ( talk) 02:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
[it is] the proper name of a defined aggregation which is generally used with definite article the; this is a distinct, formal, proper group as indicated by its fully capitalized proper name; this is a proper and well-defined group with a specific list of members; it even has its own proper code of law, as a group, which would seem to suggest that the various Eastern Catholic Churches do actually constitute a single, juridically defined, proper entity together (like the United States).Other examples cited include the Three Great Gardens of Japan which is an example in MOS:NAMECAPS, the aggregation of British colonies called the Thirteen Colonies, the Anglican Communion or even the Anglican Continuum. (@ Janweh64, Afterwriting, BoBoMisiu, Iloilo Wanderer, and LacrimosaDiesIlla: also pinging contributors in this discussion.) Place Clichy ( talk) 08:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hello @ LacrimosaDiesIlla:
Between this edit and the subsequent ones, I am not sure if you intend to keep consistent statistics from the CNEWA report, which has stats for bishops, jurisdictions and priests, or prefer to use different data. When I had cleaned up the table to consistently use the CNEWA source, I had only used gcatholic or another source when figures where not available there. I think consistency is important. Anyway, both these sources take their information from the same Annuario pontifico. Place Clichy ( talk) 16:52, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I guess someone is offended by the article explaining that "Uniate" is a pejorative term. Well that is the sourced fact, and the correct place to discuss it here in this article. It is vandalism to remove the sourced section without a valid rationale. Elizium23 ( talk) 19:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Currently the lead completely contradicts the article. The lead presents six churches it claims to be the largest Eastern Catholic Churches. The article presents a list of each church and how many adherents it has. These two list show strong divergences; for example, the lead gives the Armenian Catholic Church as one of the six largest, while according to the article it's nowhere near being among the six largest. I'm not sure whether it's the lead, the article, or both that are wrong - but it is impossible for both to be right. Jeppiz ( talk) 17:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
According to Annuario Pontificio (the annual directory of the Catholic Church), the membership in the Armenian Catholic Church is 757,726 [1] Br Ibrahim john ( talk) 15:17, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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The statement that refers to the number of Eastern Christians that are Eastern Rite Catholics seems very out of place, POV and insulting. Maybe you think that I am being too thin skinned here but there has to be a better way of putting it. The statement only holds true if you count all the different protestants who live in the East as Eastern Christians. If this were not bad enough, it also seems as if your numbers are based on Latin Rite Catholics who live in the East as well, which seem wrong; using Catholic numbers to make a seemingly derogatory statement against Eastern Catholics. On top of that, we must consider the huge population of Russia, and the fact that all Russians are said to belong to the Church of Russia, even if they are not baptized and never go to Liturgy!
What would be a much fairer way to handle this, besides just not making the insulting statement AT ALL, would be to separate it out by rite or location or even by local church. It certainly is true that Byzantine Catholics are vastly out numbered by Byzantine non Catholics. It is also true that Coptic as well as Ethiopian Catholics are aswell vastly outnumbered. The same could be said for Armenian Catholics but then our definition of what an Armenian Catholic is must be clarified. Outside of the country of Armenia, there are more Armenian Catholics then Armenian Rite non Catholics. So it depends on how you want to define your groups. If we refer to Syrian Rite Catholics, we all have to admit that they outnumber the Syrian Rite non Catholics. If we speak of Byzantine Rite in the Middle East but not in Europe, Catholics again are in the majority. If we talk about Byzantine Rite in Italy, again, the Catholics are the majority. Now, it is true that there are more Non Catholic Christians in India then Catholic Christians, and that is without counting the protestants who most Indian Christians do not count as Christians. However, just one of the Catholic Catholic Churches in Idia is larger then any other when compared church to church.
These kind of remarks, stating that ONLY 10% of Easter Christians are Catholic, is the kind of double standard of discrimination that is always heeped on Catholics. You want to make Eastern Catholics seem like the small, weak and out of place group. Considering that most of this number is hugely affected by the population of Russia and the trumped up number of Church enrollment there, I really feel like the statement needs to be said a different way or excluded from the article all together. This kind of statement is only really used, not for informational purposes but to try to discredit the validity of the Eastern Catholic Churches.
On this last point we could also point out a number of different things. In the cases of the Ukrainian Catholics Church, Melkite Catholic Church, Syrian Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church, Syro-Malabar Catholic Churc, Chaldean Catholic Church, Armenian Catholic ChurchIt, Italo-Greek Catholic Church, Hungarian Greek Catholic Church was the Church leadership of these churches that established communion with the Catholic Church and thus these Churches are the true legitimate continuation of the original deposit of faith in the area for these churches. The other Churches in the area that do not have communion with the Catholic Church but have communion with other churches represent a schism from the original Church. This status could also be said to exist in several other of the Catholic Churches but not all of course. In some cases the information is very hazy as to exactly how certain elections came about but the Belerusian Catholic Church and the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church are certainly in the grey area. Now it is true that the Coptic Catholic, Byzantine Greek Catholic, Ethiopian Catholic, and Russian Catholic Churches represent certain bishops, priest and lay faithful that went into schism with their local Church leadership in order to establish communion with Rome. I find it interesting that in all of the articles about the churches listed on this site, great pains were made to point out that they are just in schism with the original Church leadership but no mention is made of the cases where the original church leadership joined into communion with Rome and the mirror Churches of `orthodoxy` are the ones in schism, leaving the church in protest of the rightful decision of the true church leadership. I suspect a sutle conspiracy is involved in this.
I see a lot non factual Anti-East, anti-Catholic information on this site and I am not the only one to complain about it. I understand that writers get things wrong and that this site is limited to the knowledge of its apperantly amatuer, non professional staff but still, if you did not know that this was an issue before, please take this into consideration now and make some changes to be fair and respectful to all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.127.251.137 ( talk) 04:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that a section on the Vatican II and post-Vatican II reforms as applied to the Eastern Catholic Churches would be quite useful. We are actually living in very heady times. In order to avoid unseemly fights, I'm starting a sandbox for the page and invite the community that visits here to stop by and contribute. TMLutas 19:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
This term redirects here but is not found in the article. Can this be rectified, either by expansion or by stubbing? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
What's about Slavonic Eastern Catholic Church or Catholic Church of Eastern Slavonic rite (pol. Kośćioł Katolicki obrzędku wschodniosłowianskiego. ukr. Католицька церква східнословянського обряду), so called Neouniates? In Kostomloty one parish is exists and today.Anyway, we need a chapter about defunct churches (Byzantine Catholic CHurch of Constantinople, Grek Catholic church of Cyprus (in Kingdom of Cyprus)etc). Another question: Armenian Catholic Church in Eastern Europe (under archbishop of Leopolis) is part of common Armenian Catholic Church or separate church of Armenian rite like there are many churches of Byzantine rite. And where are offical names of these churches used by Vatican? For example, Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is called Catholic Church of Byzantine-Ukrainian rite (Ecclesia Catholica Ritu Byzantino-Ukrainensis)/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.86.230.114 ( talk) 14:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The anonymous editor at IP 117.196.129.245 claims that the date of union or foundation of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church is 1663, the date of the ordination of Bishop Chandy. The Church itself disagrees, claiming to have maintained its identity since the first century (see About Syro-Malabar Church) and that not all of the Thomas Christians participated in the break from Rome by "most" of them in 1653 ( The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church). (See also History of the Syro-Malabar Church.) Stephen Neill's A History of Christianity in India (Cambridge University Press, 2004 ISBN 0521548853, 9780521548854), which recounts on p. 325 the episcopal ordination of Bishop Chandy, certainly does not present it as an act of union of a formerly separated Church with that of Rome nor as the foundation of a new Church (since Chandy was consecrated to carry on the work of Bishop Sebastiani, who was being expelled by the new Dutch masters of Cochin). I have therefore put "date disputed" as an indication of the date of union or foundation of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. This neither affirms nor denies the anonymous editor's point of view, and only makes a neutral statement on the question. Lima ( talk) 14:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
There is currently discussion regarding the creation of a work group specifically to deal with articles dealing with the Eastern Catholic Churches, among others, here. Any parties interested in working in such a group are welcome to indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter ( talk) 16:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the epithet 'Greek' from these names: Albanian Greek Catholic Church, Belarusian Greek Catholic Church, Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, Hungarian Greek Catholic Church, Macedonian Greek Catholic Church, Slovak Greek Catholic Church, Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. I removed the epithet 'Byzantine' from Byzantine Church of the Eparchy of Križevci and Greek Byzantine Catholic Church. In the cases of these churches, the terms 'Greek' and 'Byzantine' have no official and historical value. You should not use a vague interpretation of these terms and apply them against official and historical usage. I mean by official and historical usage the official and historical usage at the Vatican. Those who used a Constantinopolitan rite were never called Greeks unless they were Greeks. Please provide official and historical documents to support the use of the terms 'Greek' and 'Byzantine'. Nestorius Auranites ( talk) 19:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I came to this page in search of a quick answer as to whether Eastern Catholics include the Filioque. The article states that this was a reason for the Great Schism (duh) and, a few lines later, that Eastern churches wishing to restore Communion with Rome were welcomed back without "question of requiring them to adopt the customs of the Latin Church." I'm sure there's some WP: bit about wikipedia not being a cheat sheet, and it is entirely possible that the answer to my question is somewhere buried in the article, but I think it's reasonable to ask that a point as important as this be addressed clearly and in a position of some prominence within the article.
Do Eastern Catholics believe in the filioque? Does it vary from particular church to particular church? Wormwoodpoppies ( talk) 21:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand why this section is here, and if it ought to be here why there is only one listed, and this fairly recently. It seems very odd to have it here the way it is. Orpheus42 08:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I have read that in prewar Poland there were some Byzantine Slavonic rite churches created on the iniative of the Latin Church in Poland that were subject to the local Latin bishop unaffiliated with any established Ritual Church like the UGCC or other Union of Brest product. These chuches many due to persecutions from the 2nd Republic government, left Catholicism to join the Polish Orthodox Church and the rest were lost during World War 2. However, 1 parish fulltime and 2 other parish on a semi basis still celebrate this variety. Shouldnt it be mentioned? Here is a link with some reading of it http://rumkatkilise.org/Belarus%20catholic_church_in_poland.htm Nova2488 ( talk) 21:07, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
It is quite evident that the initial paragraph in this section is merely a rant in the continued terminology issue. The individuals on the "Roman.." side are simply cherry picking the very few documents which mention the "Roman" prefix. This is inappropriate and unnecessary unless it also mentions the fact that for the GRAND majority of Church documents it refers to itself as simply "The Catholic Church" or just "The Church".
Sourced documentation of this is so overwhelming, beginning with the latest version of Church beliefs: the Catechism of the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Providing a sources for every time the Church refers to itself as such could take most of this article. I'd say the Catechism more than suffices to make the point.
But to present merely the "Roman-" terminologic POV without the entire picture is quite insincere to the topic and certainly not from a Neutral point of view. Micael ( talk) 15:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
The two separate lists under the current sections "Membership" and "Eastern Catholic Churches" could probably merged, for convenience by better overview. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 11:29, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Only some Eastern Catholic Churches were Uniate Churches. From what I have read, the term usually described the metropolitanate in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – after the Metropolitanate of Kiev (1458–1596) bishops formally entered into ecclesial communion with the Catholic Church in the Union of Brest. See Josaphat Kuntsevych § Historical and religious background, pl:Kościół unicki w I Rzeczypospolitej ( translation), and uk:Руська унійна церква ( translation).
Was "Uniate Church" the actual name of the Metropolitanate of Kiev in ecclesial communion with the Catholic Church?
Is Uniat or Uniate used as a pejorative term by anyone other than Russian Orthodox? – BoBoMisiu ( talk) 02:15, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
It will be best to move the "Terminology" section to later in the article and begin with the History section, as do most of Wikipedia articles on religious organizations. Thoughts/discussion? Majoreditor ( talk) 16:54, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
This paragraph:
And the one that follows it shows blatant pro-Rome bias and is inappropriate cheerleading for an encyclopedia article. TheCormac ( talk) 01:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Although I have attempted to merge some content, there still seems to be some reteated contents in a few places in this article which is a little bit too much. Please feel free to help. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 07:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC) Chicbyaccident ( talk) 07:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved as consensus to keep the article at it's current name has been established. ( non-admin closure) — Music1201 talk 16:00, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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@ Chicbyaccident: could you please explain what you mean by placing the {{ incomplete}} tag on the article last month? You did not open a corresponding discussion about it. What do you think is missing and how can we address it? Elizium23 ( talk) 20:38, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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I opened a discussion on groupings in Christianity, of which there currently seems to lack a consensus on Wikipedia. The discussion might be of interest for followers of this talk page. Please see: Talk:Christianity#Denominations. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 12:18, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
In English, we distinguish between Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy. Do we maintain that distinction in reference to Catholic Churches?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
There is no reason why the word "Churches" is repeatedly Capitalized. I understand the word Church in "Eastern Orthodox Chuch" should be capitilized because it is part of a proper name. However, the word "churches" in "Eastern Catholic churches" is not a proper name for any thing, person, or organization. It does not qualify under MOS:PN. It is a general descriptive noun for these group of chuches. For example: American people and List of Orthodox churches are not capitalized correctly. — አቤል ዳዊት ? (Janweh64) ( talk) 01:32, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I support "churches". I would suggest bringing about a proper move request. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 07:20, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I prefer "Churches". This is a proper and well-defined group with a specific list of members. It even has its own proper code of law, as a group, which would seem to suggest that the various Eastern Catholic Churches do actually constitute a single, juridically defined, proper entity together (like the United States). LacrimosaDiesIlla ( talk) 23:44, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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There is currently an RfC at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Catholic_Church)#RfC:_should_this_page_be_made_a_naming_convention that may be of interest. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 23:34, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, someone has been fiddling with the statistics on numbers of the faithful in this article. The data is already cited to the Annuario Pontificio but the year is not specified. This in itself is an error, and should be addressed. But there is a huge difference between 10 million and 18 million, so we cannot accept the changes without a specific source cited for them. Thank you. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 ( talk) 18:22, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Eastern Catholic (disambiguation). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 18:53, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Editors disagree on whether the article subject is a proper noun. Supporters of the move argue that the term refers to all churches affiliated with Eastern Christianity, while opposers note that the capitalized "Churches" is more commonly used to refer to the subject as a "defined group". ( non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 20:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Eastern Catholic Churches → Eastern Catholic churches – This is a repetition of a request made a couple of years ago by myself (under former username): Talk:Eastern_Catholic_Churches/Archive_3#Requested_move_16_November_2016. However, I'm not sure the two commentators understood the rationale. This article doesn't cover a communion of churches. It covers a few churches. Not Churches. We routinely disregard Certain American Way of Spelling of Things. PPEMES ( talk) 11:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Kostas20142 ( talk) 14:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Eastern Catholic Churches sui iuris[8]
Eastern Churches, Churches of the East, Oriental Churches, Eastern Churches in communion with the Apostolic See of Rome[9]
Oriental Catholic Churches[10]
Eastern Catholic Churches, Catholic Eastern Churchesetc. Google Ngram seems to show a preference for the capitalized form, with differences between American English Ngram vs British English Ngram. A another previous discussion on the issue seems to indicate that Eastern Catholic Churches should be capitalized when considering them as a formal, distinct, clearly defined group, and written Eastern Catholic churches when considering members of the set. The current article is clearly abotu the set as a whole. Also pinging participants to the previous move discussion: @ Music1201, Nohomersryan, and TonyBallioni:. Place Clichy ( talk) 02:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
[it is] the proper name of a defined aggregation which is generally used with definite article the; this is a distinct, formal, proper group as indicated by its fully capitalized proper name; this is a proper and well-defined group with a specific list of members; it even has its own proper code of law, as a group, which would seem to suggest that the various Eastern Catholic Churches do actually constitute a single, juridically defined, proper entity together (like the United States).Other examples cited include the Three Great Gardens of Japan which is an example in MOS:NAMECAPS, the aggregation of British colonies called the Thirteen Colonies, the Anglican Communion or even the Anglican Continuum. (@ Janweh64, Afterwriting, BoBoMisiu, Iloilo Wanderer, and LacrimosaDiesIlla: also pinging contributors in this discussion.) Place Clichy ( talk) 08:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hello @ LacrimosaDiesIlla:
Between this edit and the subsequent ones, I am not sure if you intend to keep consistent statistics from the CNEWA report, which has stats for bishops, jurisdictions and priests, or prefer to use different data. When I had cleaned up the table to consistently use the CNEWA source, I had only used gcatholic or another source when figures where not available there. I think consistency is important. Anyway, both these sources take their information from the same Annuario pontifico. Place Clichy ( talk) 16:52, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I guess someone is offended by the article explaining that "Uniate" is a pejorative term. Well that is the sourced fact, and the correct place to discuss it here in this article. It is vandalism to remove the sourced section without a valid rationale. Elizium23 ( talk) 19:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Currently the lead completely contradicts the article. The lead presents six churches it claims to be the largest Eastern Catholic Churches. The article presents a list of each church and how many adherents it has. These two list show strong divergences; for example, the lead gives the Armenian Catholic Church as one of the six largest, while according to the article it's nowhere near being among the six largest. I'm not sure whether it's the lead, the article, or both that are wrong - but it is impossible for both to be right. Jeppiz ( talk) 17:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
According to Annuario Pontificio (the annual directory of the Catholic Church), the membership in the Armenian Catholic Church is 757,726 [1] Br Ibrahim john ( talk) 15:17, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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