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"The only surviving Earthman, Arthur Dent ...". Trillian (who was also a human) also survived.... If the meaning is that Arthur Dent is the only earth male human to survive I think it should be made more clear. Karih 22:56, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
As Old Earth (Dune) is a relatively small page, I think it would be better placed here. Philip Stevens 09:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Just made some minor edits to the Star Wars Section ( made ET link directly to the alien dude) Infantrymarine25 3:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the following paragraphs from the Star Wars section.
Why?
Anville 15:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't the description of Earth in Hitchhikers meant to be "Mostly harmless" instead of just "Harmless"?
Gregwmay 08:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
== ted during his stay on Earth, shortly before all versions of Earth are destroyed, rendering the entry useless.-- Raguleader 00:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
A previous editor removed a link in my Wing Commander edit. The original link went to a disambiguation page, I replaced the link with a link to the Wing Commander (Computer Game) entry.-- Raguleader 00:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Who deleted the Half-Life section? Why did this seem extraneous, or are they simply not a fan or something? If Buck Rogers is culturally signifcant enough to warrant it's own section, why would one of the most popular video game series of all time not be? More to the point, Half-Life portrays a fictional Earth in a pretty different manner to the other Science Fiction franchises noted in this article.
Seems to me the treatment/fate of earth in the PotA movies is significant enough to be discussed here. Perhaps someone who has better knowledge of that series than me could add it? If not I'll take a crack at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darthmix ( talk • contribs)
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This article appears to contain many summaries of and conclusions drawn from various works of fiction, which I believe qualify as original research. It should be cleaned up to cite reliable sources. Hastyreader ( talk) 23:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
This article is pretty useless. It is nothing more than summaries of Earth from an odd selection of various pieces of science fiction. Without a through line that connects this disparity information, it is not an article useful as a piece of reference.
I rather doubt there’s any real interest in improving this article while retaining the premise of describing Earth from various pieces of fiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.203.135.66 ( talk) 17:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
It strikes me that the article in its re-write needs structure. That will allow the addition of secondary sources that fit into each subtopic, as well as cited examples. I also suspect it would help us to unearth secondary sources that do have more general things to say about Earth in science fiction. Some of the themes that come out of the Encyclopedia entries:
Any thoughts? OsFish ( talk) 05:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I don't think merely listing examples is all that helpful. Ideally, the examples should be briefly described and integrated in the main prose rather than being confined to parentheticals or footnotes. The sentences In
Clifford D. Simak's Cemetery World (1973) Earth is a planet-size cemetery and in
Gordon R. Dickson's
Call Him Lord (1966), a museum.
and Bridging these ideas, and treating Earth as a semi-biological or even sentient entity, are classic works like
Arthur Conan Doyle's When the World Screamed (1928) and Jack Williamson's Born of the Sun (1934).
are examples of how this can be done. We should strive to write about examples in such a way that we cannot simply turn them into footnotes or add several additional examples without further context.
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The article opens with the uncited assertion, "An overwhelming majority of fiction is set on or features the Earth. This also holds true of science fiction, despite perceptions to the contrary." This sounds less like an encyclopaedia article and more like a position paper--or worse, a school report. However, it would be hard to correct this article when the most obvious thing to do is delete it. Count Robert of Paris ( talk) 18:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
References
@ TompaDompa: I am not sure if those removals are necessary; I didn't invent this - those were seen as relevant context in the cited works (mostly encyclopedias of sf): [1], [2], [3]. As for [4], well, it shows subterranean Earth? We have room for the picture, unless you found something better? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
About half of that contains historical facts and old examples where there is no clear disctinction between science fiction and philosophical speculation about scientific issues. The other half fits to our topic.As for the image, I think that if we are to have an image to illustrate the concept of Hollow Earth in science fiction, it should be clear at a glance that's what it is, and I don't really think that File:Voyages_Extraordinaires_frontispiece.jpg does that particularly well (most of the image is of completely different stories by Jules Verne). I would be more inclined to use an illustration of the hollow Earth in The Goddess of Atvatabar, e.g. File:Map_of_the_Interior_World.png. TompaDompa ( talk) 05:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail. Poorly-integrated examples and quasi-relevant background information are both examples of not staying focused on the topic. If I were reviewing this article for WP:Good article status, I would not consider it compliant with criterion 3b. TompaDompa ( talk) 21:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
This word seems to have been invented in Futurama. It's not in Brave new words the Oxford dictionary of science fiction by Jeff Prucher, and I can't find any reliable source confirming it is real - although it is on Futurama fan wiki: https://theinfosphere.org/Earthican_people , and I guess the NBC episode summary may be reliable-ish ( https://www.nbc.com/futurama/video/three-hundred-big-boys/3695718 "When each Earthican receives a $300 government refund, the Planet Express crew members pursue their respective dreams and desires.") That said, the second is WP:PRIMARYish, so I am not sure if this word deserves an entry in our list of synonyms of Earthling? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:14, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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Any thoughts on how to work that one (my newest article) in? Seems related @ TompaDompa Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Real4jyy: This page's title is not analogous to the examples you gave (such as Mars in fiction) for the simple reason that any fiction set on Mars is ipso facto sci-fi/fantasy, making the modifier redundant. The vast majority of fiction set on Earth, however, is not science fiction, which is why this article exists: to discuss the portrayal of Earth specifically in works of sci-fi, in which Earth may no longer be the only celestial body inhabited by humans. - Bryan Rutherford ( talk) 14:57, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
I think this neees its own subsection (I am not sure how we missed this article while getting this to GA a while back...). @ TompaDompa Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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"The only surviving Earthman, Arthur Dent ...". Trillian (who was also a human) also survived.... If the meaning is that Arthur Dent is the only earth male human to survive I think it should be made more clear. Karih 22:56, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
As Old Earth (Dune) is a relatively small page, I think it would be better placed here. Philip Stevens 09:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Just made some minor edits to the Star Wars Section ( made ET link directly to the alien dude) Infantrymarine25 3:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the following paragraphs from the Star Wars section.
Why?
Anville 15:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't the description of Earth in Hitchhikers meant to be "Mostly harmless" instead of just "Harmless"?
Gregwmay 08:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
== ted during his stay on Earth, shortly before all versions of Earth are destroyed, rendering the entry useless.-- Raguleader 00:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
A previous editor removed a link in my Wing Commander edit. The original link went to a disambiguation page, I replaced the link with a link to the Wing Commander (Computer Game) entry.-- Raguleader 00:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Who deleted the Half-Life section? Why did this seem extraneous, or are they simply not a fan or something? If Buck Rogers is culturally signifcant enough to warrant it's own section, why would one of the most popular video game series of all time not be? More to the point, Half-Life portrays a fictional Earth in a pretty different manner to the other Science Fiction franchises noted in this article.
Seems to me the treatment/fate of earth in the PotA movies is significant enough to be discussed here. Perhaps someone who has better knowledge of that series than me could add it? If not I'll take a crack at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darthmix ( talk • contribs)
Image:Earth RDM.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 05:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
This article appears to contain many summaries of and conclusions drawn from various works of fiction, which I believe qualify as original research. It should be cleaned up to cite reliable sources. Hastyreader ( talk) 23:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
This article is pretty useless. It is nothing more than summaries of Earth from an odd selection of various pieces of science fiction. Without a through line that connects this disparity information, it is not an article useful as a piece of reference.
I rather doubt there’s any real interest in improving this article while retaining the premise of describing Earth from various pieces of fiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.203.135.66 ( talk) 17:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
It strikes me that the article in its re-write needs structure. That will allow the addition of secondary sources that fit into each subtopic, as well as cited examples. I also suspect it would help us to unearth secondary sources that do have more general things to say about Earth in science fiction. Some of the themes that come out of the Encyclopedia entries:
Any thoughts? OsFish ( talk) 05:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I don't think merely listing examples is all that helpful. Ideally, the examples should be briefly described and integrated in the main prose rather than being confined to parentheticals or footnotes. The sentences In
Clifford D. Simak's Cemetery World (1973) Earth is a planet-size cemetery and in
Gordon R. Dickson's
Call Him Lord (1966), a museum.
and Bridging these ideas, and treating Earth as a semi-biological or even sentient entity, are classic works like
Arthur Conan Doyle's When the World Screamed (1928) and Jack Williamson's Born of the Sun (1934).
are examples of how this can be done. We should strive to write about examples in such a way that we cannot simply turn them into footnotes or add several additional examples without further context.
TompaDompa (
talk)
05:06, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
The article opens with the uncited assertion, "An overwhelming majority of fiction is set on or features the Earth. This also holds true of science fiction, despite perceptions to the contrary." This sounds less like an encyclopaedia article and more like a position paper--or worse, a school report. However, it would be hard to correct this article when the most obvious thing to do is delete it. Count Robert of Paris ( talk) 18:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
References
@ TompaDompa: I am not sure if those removals are necessary; I didn't invent this - those were seen as relevant context in the cited works (mostly encyclopedias of sf): [1], [2], [3]. As for [4], well, it shows subterranean Earth? We have room for the picture, unless you found something better? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
About half of that contains historical facts and old examples where there is no clear disctinction between science fiction and philosophical speculation about scientific issues. The other half fits to our topic.As for the image, I think that if we are to have an image to illustrate the concept of Hollow Earth in science fiction, it should be clear at a glance that's what it is, and I don't really think that File:Voyages_Extraordinaires_frontispiece.jpg does that particularly well (most of the image is of completely different stories by Jules Verne). I would be more inclined to use an illustration of the hollow Earth in The Goddess of Atvatabar, e.g. File:Map_of_the_Interior_World.png. TompaDompa ( talk) 05:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail. Poorly-integrated examples and quasi-relevant background information are both examples of not staying focused on the topic. If I were reviewing this article for WP:Good article status, I would not consider it compliant with criterion 3b. TompaDompa ( talk) 21:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
This word seems to have been invented in Futurama. It's not in Brave new words the Oxford dictionary of science fiction by Jeff Prucher, and I can't find any reliable source confirming it is real - although it is on Futurama fan wiki: https://theinfosphere.org/Earthican_people , and I guess the NBC episode summary may be reliable-ish ( https://www.nbc.com/futurama/video/three-hundred-big-boys/3695718 "When each Earthican receives a $300 government refund, the Planet Express crew members pursue their respective dreams and desires.") That said, the second is WP:PRIMARYish, so I am not sure if this word deserves an entry in our list of synonyms of Earthling? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:14, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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QuicoleJR (
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19:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Any thoughts on how to work that one (my newest article) in? Seems related @ TompaDompa Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Real4jyy: This page's title is not analogous to the examples you gave (such as Mars in fiction) for the simple reason that any fiction set on Mars is ipso facto sci-fi/fantasy, making the modifier redundant. The vast majority of fiction set on Earth, however, is not science fiction, which is why this article exists: to discuss the portrayal of Earth specifically in works of sci-fi, in which Earth may no longer be the only celestial body inhabited by humans. - Bryan Rutherford ( talk) 14:57, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
I think this neees its own subsection (I am not sure how we missed this article while getting this to GA a while back...). @ TompaDompa Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)