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If, like Vovin, you assume adjectives with stems ending in -si and haplology (si.si > -si.) in the conclusive, there is only one type of regular conjugation:
Adjective root | Irrealis 未然形 |
Adverbial 連用形 |
Conclusive 終止形 |
Attributive 連体形 |
Realis 已然形 |
Imperative 命令形 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
taka- | -ku | -si | -ki | -kere | ||
-kara | -kari | -si | -karu | -kare | ||
kanasi- | -ku | - | -ki | -kere | ||
-kara | -kari | - | -karu | -kare |
So much simpler, but try selling it to the "traditionalists"! -- RJCraig 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
The language of the Heian period is most often called (Vovin, Frellesvig, etc.) "Early Middle Japanese", as it is closer to Middle Japanese of the Kamakura and Muromachi periods than to Old Japanese. And since there is no real consensus about the details of the chronology, historical stages of the language should be refered to as "language of the ***th century" rather than "from year *** to year ***". Tomaaru 02:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Not that e and ye into ye, and then to e? 202.120.36.179 05:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC) (Anonymous coward)
I'm no expert on Chuko, but they used Hiragana, Katakana and Han characters? I always thought that Hiragana and Katakana were created when Modern Japanese was in use... Moocowsrule ( talk) 08:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule I'm smart. I looked on the Hiragana and Katakana pages. Sorry. Moocowsrule ( talk) 08:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
How come the 'Lower Monograde' conjugations are listed with the 'e' all the time, while Upper Monograde is (correctly) listed without the 'i'? To me it seems that regarding Japanese grammar in general there is a lot of confusion regarding the difference between grammatical inflection (-> change) on the one hand, and okurigana on the other (albeit partial okurigana, so as to avoid having to regard 超える and 食べる as being different). - 62.234.162.163 ( talk) 10:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
As indicated above, and per Martin (1987:77), Miyake (2003:67), and Frellesvig (1995:11), this page should be moved Early Middle Japanese. The details remain the same; the name changes only. Bendono ( talk) 07:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
The wiki page lists /je/ as the reconstruction for <e>. I would assume this means え=/je/, not that all instances of the vowel e were realised as /je/ - surely べ was not pronounced /bje/! (The same would hold true for /wo/.) Am I correct in this assumption? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjiveru ( talk • contribs) 01:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that b is missing from the table of consonants. Was there really no b or is it just a mistake? CodeCat ( talk) 17:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
@ Eirikr and Kanguole: Previously, I modified Early middle Japanese like the OJ(almost the whole article). Is there any mistake or better way to represent?-- C44986054 ( talk) 04:52, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
===Developments===
section. This paragraph seems problematic to me:In the 10th century, /e/ and /je/ progressively merged into /e/, and /o/ and /wo/ had merged into /wo/(お) by the 11th century. [1] [2] [3]
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(1) 悉曇口伝(1105?-1181): エ者以 穴呼 而終垂舌端則成エ音也
(The pronunciation of "エ" sound starts with a "Siddham-i" mouth shape, and ends in lower tip of the tongue.)
(2)悉曇口伝字記鈔(1345-1416): 呼ヱ音時必音始微細帶イ音、故イヱ呼也
(There's must be a slight "イ" sound in the beginning of the pronunciation of "ヱ". Namely, it's pronounced as "イヱ".)
(3)悉曇口伝: ヲ者以ウ穴呼ウ而終開唇則成ヲ音也
(The pronunciation of "ヲ" starts with a "ウ" mouth shape, and ends in open lips.)
(4)悉曇口伝字記鈔: 呼ヲ者時必帶ウ音、呼ウヲ也
(There's must be "ウ" sound within the pronunciation of "ヲ". Namely, it's pronounced as "ウヲ".)
( is "i" of Siddhaṃ)
Looking for a citation on /s/ realisation as /ts/ on this page, I believe this to be an error and would like to fix it, but I am unsure how it ended up on the page in the first place. Saya-pedia ( talk) 06:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia titles use sentence case, and “Middle” isn’t a proper noun. It should be lowercased. GenZenny ( talk) 04:24, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
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If, like Vovin, you assume adjectives with stems ending in -si and haplology (si.si > -si.) in the conclusive, there is only one type of regular conjugation:
Adjective root | Irrealis 未然形 |
Adverbial 連用形 |
Conclusive 終止形 |
Attributive 連体形 |
Realis 已然形 |
Imperative 命令形 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
taka- | -ku | -si | -ki | -kere | ||
-kara | -kari | -si | -karu | -kare | ||
kanasi- | -ku | - | -ki | -kere | ||
-kara | -kari | - | -karu | -kare |
So much simpler, but try selling it to the "traditionalists"! -- RJCraig 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
The language of the Heian period is most often called (Vovin, Frellesvig, etc.) "Early Middle Japanese", as it is closer to Middle Japanese of the Kamakura and Muromachi periods than to Old Japanese. And since there is no real consensus about the details of the chronology, historical stages of the language should be refered to as "language of the ***th century" rather than "from year *** to year ***". Tomaaru 02:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Not that e and ye into ye, and then to e? 202.120.36.179 05:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC) (Anonymous coward)
I'm no expert on Chuko, but they used Hiragana, Katakana and Han characters? I always thought that Hiragana and Katakana were created when Modern Japanese was in use... Moocowsrule ( talk) 08:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule I'm smart. I looked on the Hiragana and Katakana pages. Sorry. Moocowsrule ( talk) 08:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
How come the 'Lower Monograde' conjugations are listed with the 'e' all the time, while Upper Monograde is (correctly) listed without the 'i'? To me it seems that regarding Japanese grammar in general there is a lot of confusion regarding the difference between grammatical inflection (-> change) on the one hand, and okurigana on the other (albeit partial okurigana, so as to avoid having to regard 超える and 食べる as being different). - 62.234.162.163 ( talk) 10:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
As indicated above, and per Martin (1987:77), Miyake (2003:67), and Frellesvig (1995:11), this page should be moved Early Middle Japanese. The details remain the same; the name changes only. Bendono ( talk) 07:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
The wiki page lists /je/ as the reconstruction for <e>. I would assume this means え=/je/, not that all instances of the vowel e were realised as /je/ - surely べ was not pronounced /bje/! (The same would hold true for /wo/.) Am I correct in this assumption? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjiveru ( talk • contribs) 01:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that b is missing from the table of consonants. Was there really no b or is it just a mistake? CodeCat ( talk) 17:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
@ Eirikr and Kanguole: Previously, I modified Early middle Japanese like the OJ(almost the whole article). Is there any mistake or better way to represent?-- C44986054 ( talk) 04:52, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
===Developments===
section. This paragraph seems problematic to me:In the 10th century, /e/ and /je/ progressively merged into /e/, and /o/ and /wo/ had merged into /wo/(お) by the 11th century. [1] [2] [3]
...
(1) 悉曇口伝(1105?-1181): エ者以 穴呼 而終垂舌端則成エ音也
(The pronunciation of "エ" sound starts with a "Siddham-i" mouth shape, and ends in lower tip of the tongue.)
(2)悉曇口伝字記鈔(1345-1416): 呼ヱ音時必音始微細帶イ音、故イヱ呼也
(There's must be a slight "イ" sound in the beginning of the pronunciation of "ヱ". Namely, it's pronounced as "イヱ".)
(3)悉曇口伝: ヲ者以ウ穴呼ウ而終開唇則成ヲ音也
(The pronunciation of "ヲ" starts with a "ウ" mouth shape, and ends in open lips.)
(4)悉曇口伝字記鈔: 呼ヲ者時必帶ウ音、呼ウヲ也
(There's must be "ウ" sound within the pronunciation of "ヲ". Namely, it's pronounced as "ウヲ".)
( is "i" of Siddhaṃ)
Looking for a citation on /s/ realisation as /ts/ on this page, I believe this to be an error and would like to fix it, but I am unsure how it ended up on the page in the first place. Saya-pedia ( talk) 06:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia titles use sentence case, and “Middle” isn’t a proper noun. It should be lowercased. GenZenny ( talk) 04:24, 16 November 2022 (UTC)