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How is this being counted? Even the Wikipedia page on the Duke Nukem series ( /info/en/?search=Duke_Nukem) lists only 4 games. 204.225.215.56 ( talk) 03:06, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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WP:LEAD, the lead should summarise the major parts of the article: As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources.
The development section makes up a large portion of the article - and it is undisputedly the most notable thing about this game. It is deserving of better treatment in the lead. (And the lead should better reflect other elements too - like the actual game content, and the critical reception.)
The current edit omits all this. This edit also introduces two majorly crummy pieces of writing:
Players control the title character- see WP:TITULAR
An unfinished build of one of the game's earlier versions would be leaked in 2022.- a pointlessly convoluted use of tense - just write "was leaked in 2022".
A downgrade all round. Popcornfud ( talk) 21:34, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Like Duke Nukem 3D, Forever features pop culture references, toilet humor and adult content- This is a concise summary of the "Gameplay" section of the article, which is otherwise not covered in the lead at all.
it holds the Guinness world record for the longest development for a video game- This is a super notable fact about what is, like it or not, the most notable thing about the article subject.
by 2001, Duke Nukem Forever was being cited as a high-profile case of vaporware- DNF is possibly the most famous case of vaporware in video games - this is a crucial indicator of its reputation and place in the industry.
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Announced in 1997 following the success of Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Forever underwent several delays; the original director, George Broussard, said it would be released "when it's done".
Announced in 1997 following the success of Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Forever underwent several delays; the team switched game engines and restarted development several times.
There is some disagreement about whether DNF holds the Guinness world record for the longest development time. I've examined the sources here and it seems that it still retains this record. Per the official Guinness world records site:
These are actually two separate records, because Clockwork Aquario was not actually in development for all of its 28 years. Popcornfud ( talk) 11:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC) Pinging @ Iritscen: who edited this detail previously. Popcornfud ( talk) 11:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Why is Quake II engine listed? Neither the 2001 leak, nor the finished product (only which the infobox should be about) uses it. I don't get the "unknown version" for the final version either. The consensus is that the game uses UE1, although with several modifications, new rendering engine, some stuff from UE2 apparently, but at its core it's still UE1. WolfmanFP ( talk) 23:59, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
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How is this being counted? Even the Wikipedia page on the Duke Nukem series ( /info/en/?search=Duke_Nukem) lists only 4 games. 204.225.215.56 ( talk) 03:06, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Per
WP:LEAD, the lead should summarise the major parts of the article: As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources.
The development section makes up a large portion of the article - and it is undisputedly the most notable thing about this game. It is deserving of better treatment in the lead. (And the lead should better reflect other elements too - like the actual game content, and the critical reception.)
The current edit omits all this. This edit also introduces two majorly crummy pieces of writing:
Players control the title character- see WP:TITULAR
An unfinished build of one of the game's earlier versions would be leaked in 2022.- a pointlessly convoluted use of tense - just write "was leaked in 2022".
A downgrade all round. Popcornfud ( talk) 21:34, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Like Duke Nukem 3D, Forever features pop culture references, toilet humor and adult content- This is a concise summary of the "Gameplay" section of the article, which is otherwise not covered in the lead at all.
it holds the Guinness world record for the longest development for a video game- This is a super notable fact about what is, like it or not, the most notable thing about the article subject.
by 2001, Duke Nukem Forever was being cited as a high-profile case of vaporware- DNF is possibly the most famous case of vaporware in video games - this is a crucial indicator of its reputation and place in the industry.
This conversation is clearly going nowhere, so let's hope for some other editors to come in with some fresh perspectives.
For ease of comparison, here are the contested versions:
More perspectives from other experienced editors of video game articles are appreciated. Popcornfud ( talk) 14:52, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Announced in 1997 following the success of Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Forever underwent several delays; the original director, George Broussard, said it would be released "when it's done".
Announced in 1997 following the success of Duke Nukem 3D, Duke Nukem Forever underwent several delays; the team switched game engines and restarted development several times.
There is some disagreement about whether DNF holds the Guinness world record for the longest development time. I've examined the sources here and it seems that it still retains this record. Per the official Guinness world records site:
These are actually two separate records, because Clockwork Aquario was not actually in development for all of its 28 years. Popcornfud ( talk) 11:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC) Pinging @ Iritscen: who edited this detail previously. Popcornfud ( talk) 11:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Why is Quake II engine listed? Neither the 2001 leak, nor the finished product (only which the infobox should be about) uses it. I don't get the "unknown version" for the final version either. The consensus is that the game uses UE1, although with several modifications, new rendering engine, some stuff from UE2 apparently, but at its core it's still UE1. WolfmanFP ( talk) 23:59, 13 August 2022 (UTC)