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How come Cherry's coaching paragraph doesn't include his 1976 Canada Cup, where his tip to the players to fake a slap shot while skating in on the Czech goalie and then put the puck in the net, led to Darryl Sittler's game winner in OT and the Canada Cup? Also, he was coach of the 1981 Canada World Championship team, which finished in fourth place. Alslammerz
Cherry is or was an owner of a minor-league hockey team in which he demanded that only Canadians be allowed to play on the team. Does anybody know the name of the team? Zoe
I don't understand the claim that Cherry's plaid suits are an unverifiable fact. The intro to Coach's Corner that is played every week (every two days, or so during the playoffs) clearly shows a cut-out of Don in a plaid suit. For confirmation of this feel free to see: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hnic/coach.html . Furthermore, I don't think it is enough to say that he is known for wearing pin-stripe suits and gold ties. Many people wear black pin-stripe suits and gold ties and aren't known for it. I hope that my most recent edit clarifies things. Carruthers 21:38, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Is he actually going to be in the Disney movie "The Wild" (CGI animation)? Imdb lists Don Cherry as providing a voice and links to this Don Cherry but I'm still not convinced.-- Fmaack 11:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Unlike those who decry the violence in North American ice hockey; Cherry embraces it. HOwever, he insists that it be done in a "clean" manner where gloves are dropped and sticks and other equipment never used. He feels that this is a necessary outlet for frustrations and lets player themselves police the game to an extent and prevents indirect violence such as "accidental" tripping, which he insists is far more common Europe. Does this belong in the article? Rlquall 12:00, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Cherry is generally regarded as being an outspoken conservative on many issues, making him often at odds with the overall tone of CBC programming, which is generally characterized as liberal-leaning."
C'mon, it's an article about a sports commentator, not about CBC bias. Fair enough about the "outspoken conservative" bit, but there's no need to discuss perceived bias in his employer's productions. And, besides, "generally characterized" is vague. Generally characterized by rightwing press and politicians? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.2.164.18 ( talk • contribs)
The comment about the liberal-leaning character of the CBC makes it a little more obvious what the conflict is between Don Cherry and CBC management. If he made conservative comments on a conservative channel, nobody would notice. It's the way his perspectives differ from those generally expressed by CBC that make them that much more obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.217.115 ( talk • contribs)
if del cherry, don's father, is one of kingston's best ever athletes, why isn't there a wikipedia article on him? 131.111.8.97 21:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
does he have any children? if so what are their names? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.224.89 ( talk • contribs)
I added a brief bit on Don Cherry's restaurants, and also on charity work. others may be able to add detail if they feel more detail is required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OttawaShane ( talk • contribs)
"...Many consider him to be a Canadian cultural icon." Please give me a break, canadian cultural icon, my a... !!!? This says a lot about the extent of canadian culture; I'm glad to be a frog, merci beaucoup ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperchipper ( talk • contribs)
While at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#Grapes Cherry's name came up and someone asked where the nickname comes from. I found the one reference but there must be a better one. If someone could find it and add it. THanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Sports Illustrated had an article in 1993 about Cherry that described him as "part Rush Limbaugh and part Dick Vitale." That analogy means little to Canadians but is the perfect description of Cherry for Americans. Think we should include it in the article? -- Mwalcoff 02:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't have a linkable source, but I was listening to it at the time, and it's probably in hansard, but that takes digging. Rustalot42684 01:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Donald Stewart Cherry (born February 5, 1934 in Kingston, Ontario, Canada) is know as the must racist canadian, promoting racism agains french speaking canadians. He is know as the "English Separatist".
How does this pass the Wiki standard for biographies of living persons? It is an unsourced allegation of racism and is potentially libelous. It should be removed immediately, for poor grammer if nothing else. J —The preceding
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ut 30 minutes before you posted your comment. I saw it and came to the same conclusion you did. With no reference to back it up, I deleted it on the spot. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
"Don Cherry is widely criticized for many comments he has made targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans while on the air during Hockey Night in Canada and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC" --- Why are acurate, referenced details being deleted regarding Don Cherry's comnents targeting French and European ethnicities??? Why is the deteled information not showing up in the discussion section? the fact is that Don Cherry's comments that talk about French Canadians, Europeans, Swedes and Russians has been criticized by many is in print, in the news and on the internet - why the censorship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jumblecar2 ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I admit I am new to editing on Wiki (this is my first attempt to contribute). The first time I wrote I did say derogatory. However after it was intially deleted I returned and wrote "Don Cherry is widely criticized for many comments he has made targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans while on the air during Hockey Night in Canada and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC" which is not in reference to his outspoken nature but to the large amount of publically visible criticism that exists in print and on the internet. I did back this up with an article from editor of themetropolitain, an article from the CBC and a published book on sociological behaviour "Ourselves in Canada: Media and Power" that has an entire chapter devoted to Don Cherry entitled "The Prime Minister of Saturday Night: Don Cherry, the CBC, and the Cultural Production of Intolerance" publisher=Prentice Hall isbn=9780205733163
1 =
http://www.themetropolitain.ca/articles/view/964
2 = Book: Ourselves in Canada: Media Power and Policy pages 59-72
3 = http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2004/02/06/cherry040206.html -- this being the best reference that demonstrates my point as it is written by the CBC, the very organization for which Don Cherry is employed. Jumblecar2 ( talk) 22:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I did not title this section racism allegations. It was already here. I used this section because it was titled INTRODUCTION
The web reference do back my edit
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2004/02/06/cherry040206.html "During the first period intermission Cherry spoke out about players wearing visors on their helmets. In full flight he said, "most of the guys that wear them are Europeans or French guys ..." The remark was roundly criticized by French language groups across the country."
http://www.themetropolitain.ca/articles/view/964 "Viewers may notice a trend: He seems to take special pleasure in players who aren’t Anglophone North-Americans being the victims of rough play. Among a few borderline bigoted incidents, the CBC had to put Coach’s Corner on a seven-second delay in 2004 after he mocked “French guys and Europeans” for wearing visors on their helmets"
SO how many incidents and references should I use to state that: Don Cherry is widely criticized for many comments he has made targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans while on the air during Hockey Night in Canada and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC? Jumblecar2 ( talk) 23:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Actually based on the wiki policies regarding biographies for the living, I can agree that the term derogatory is perhaps harsh. If I were to use: "Don Cherry is widely criticized for comments targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans Canada and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC" but use more references; specifically references of critism towards Cherry regarding multiple events; do you think that could be acceptable? - Thank you for your feedback BrashBrannigan. Jumblecar2 ( talk) 02:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Interesting BrashBrannigan, I can see how stating anything controversial even if true, can be difficult when discussing someone still alive on wiki. Ok, I do agree with your statement and I am not looking to make up history or interpret history; I am trying to find a way to include a valid comment referring to Don Cherry, specifically in the way that many people outside of traditional English Canadians perceive him. How about:
Don Cherry comments have targeted specific ethnicities on more than one occasion; these have resulted in infuriating Russian communities[2]; as well as comments deemed reprehensible that were roundly criticized by French Canadian groups around the country and which later resulted in Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC. [3]
where ref [2] =
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2002/03/01/cherry030102.html "Cherry's remarks infuriated Russian communities in various cities and towns across Canada"
and ref [3] =
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2004/02/06/cherry040206.html "The CBC has decided to put an end to "reprehensible" remarks by Hockey Night in Canada commentator Don Cherry." and "The remark was roundly criticized by French language groups across the country"
I believe this (I hope) this meets the wiki policies and is inline with what you have been trying to communicate to me. Thanks again for your assistance and help with outlining this for me.
Jumblecar2 (
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19:32, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I have saved them the trouble and edited/removed it myself. I do not want something posted that does not fall in scope of wiki's policies. I'll admit finding the words to say it properly is alluding me now but I'll keep trying till I get right. I will need to think about this a little before trying again however.
One thing I disagree with you BrashBrannigan is that I do feel that it does belong in the introduction. It was previously removed because the editor C.Fred thought I was mentioning the fact he is outspoken when in fact I was mentioning that he is criticized in the news, and in print for targeting ethnic minorities on more than one occasion - this is a huge aspect of who he is especially outside of English speaking Canada so I would argue it introduction-worthy. I just need to find the "wiki" way of saying it.
I apologize for taking up your time BrashBrannigan and would like to say I do appreciate the effort you have given me.
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Didn't Cherry sell his interest in the Mississauga Ice Dogs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.5.65 ( talk • contribs) 22:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
Does his nickname ever get prepended to his last name? Whenever I've heard it used, it's always just been "Grapes," standing alone. Given the usage, and comparing that to "The Big Hurt," Frank Thomas, I'm thinking that the intro needs reworded to just give his full name, and then give the nickname later in the paragraph.
Am I wrong about the usage? Or does anybody have a reason why it shouldn't be done like other stand-alone sports nicknames (Thomas, Wayne Gretzky)? — C.Fred ( talk) 01:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel this section is a very poor representation of Cherry's views. For example, there are three citations from a student journalist newspaper opinion column, which is a bit questionable in a national and international context. In addition, some of the phrases are very strongly worded considering Cherry hasn't outright made these comments. For example:
Cherry has a strong dislike of the "European style" of hockey, and has often insulted French Canadian hockey players on his show, blaming them for bringing diving, high-sticking and the introduction of visors into the league, while taking the jobs of "good-old Canadian boys."
This statement is a borderline attack and ignores statements he has made criticizing Canadian and American players.
After questionable gestures on the part of Atlanta Thrashers' star winger Ilya Kovalchuk, Cherry fumed: "Someone should have broken [Kovalchuk's arm], but they didn't.
This statement is just thrown in there without any context or results, sort of "furthering" the point on anti-Europeanism. Many of the statements seem to be selective and intentionally short to push a point of view.
Also, I think the section should be split up- I don't see why the section should cover controversies and then have stuff like Crosby's A and his support of Harper. -- Wafulz 22:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I think this section should be expanded upon. He is more known for his controversial xenophobia and prejudices than for his actual hockey knowledge. People tune in just to see what or who he is going to attack next. His career on television is based on being controversial and politically incorrect, yet this section is minute. How about expanding on his deliberate mispronunciation/mocking of non-Canadian players' names? His "Canadian hate Canadians" comments he made tonight? There's tones of material to work with here--
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How can you have an article about Don Cherry without talking about his loud suits? -- 70.81.251.32 02:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Alright, so its pretty well known that the ZZ top song 'Sharp Dressed Man' Is the unoffical 'theme song' of Cherry. So, is it worth mentioning? I'm not trying to cause any sort of flame war or what not, just trying to throw this idea onto the field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.61.34 ( talk) 19:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
It isn't played on Coach's Corner now, but at one time it was indeed the intro song. You must be too young to remember it. Tim in Canada —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.225.122 ( talk) 14:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Per WP:HOCKEY's decision to remove the nickname field from the infobox, it is being moved here for use later. "| nickname = Grapes" - Djsasso ( talk) 21:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
where did don cherry go to school if you know please post it on the page. Thank you. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.246.2.11 ( talk) 18:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
The movie about his life, which was written by his son, and which he cooperated in the filming of portrays him as a wife beater. Since this is not a rumor, and admitted, it should be added to the main page. 67.68.9.149 ( talk) 19:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
An editor, 81.57.78.10, keeps making the same edit which myself and another editor have reverted now 5 times and it will likely be 6. I believe the edit to be so obviously improper that I don't think it is even worthy of an RFC. However, to avoid an edit war, I started this section.
The first is the original the second it the edit and the bold is the content which is being replaced. It is from the Political views and controversy section.
"Later on, a study was published that proved Cherry to be partially correct: 50% of Europeans and 40% of French-Canadians wore visors, compared to 22% of North Americans born outside of Quebec, but players who wear visors committed proportionately fewer high-sticking penalties than players who do not."
is replaced by:
"Later on, a study was published that proved Cherry to be wrong; players who wear visors committed proportionately fewer high-sticking penalties than players who do not."
The original is correct because 1. it exactly what the published source says. 2. the fact that Cherry was partly correct needs to be included because of NPOV. BashBrannigan ( talk) 19:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Since Cherry is considered to be a coach, why does this article have an extensive report of his record as a player, and yet none as a coach? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.42.150 ( talk) 05:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
If you can find a reliable source for the stats, add them and cite them. Not terribly complicated ;) BruceJohnJennerLawso ( talk) 18:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
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An IP user (or two, but likely same person) has twice tried to delete part of the Colorado Rockies section, pointing to lack of a source. I've accepted one of those pending changes, which was subsequently reverted by Echoedmyron; the earlier pending change was not accepted by Kb03. But I think the IP user has a point. The short citation is incomplete, the longer reference that should underlie it doesn't exist, and thus it cannot be verified. This is particularly problematic in relation to WP:BLP as it's a controversial subject. I think we need a proper source for this to remain in the article. Sakkura ( talk) 18:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Was Cherry fired or did he quit, HNIC. GoodDay ( talk) 21:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
He was fired. Jalenridge ( talk) 22:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Most likely he was a contractor and therefore it's an ending of a contract - as firing is only possible in an employment situation. Of course, that's a bit complicated for the tabloid press. CT55555 ( talk) 00:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
It currently reads: Donald Stewart Cherry (born February 5, 1934) is a Canadian ice hockey commentator. He is also a sports writer, as well as a retired professional hockey player and National Hockey League (NHL) coach.
As he just lost his main profession, shouldn't it be "retired ice hockey commentator" or "former ice hockey commentator?"
CT55555 ( talk) 00:51, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
To be politically correct, it should be "disgraced former ice hockey commentator". 74.88.66.192 ( talk) 02:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Fourth paragraph, citations needed. It's terribly written like it's original material. It's also an over-simplification of the issue. It would be better to say "In Cherry's Coach's corner segment of the show, he talks about issues related to ____ so that ___. To connect with the viewers he often speaks in an off-the-cuff fashion. These dialogues often become political. His opinions upsets a negligible portion of viewers." ... "Sometimes proven controversial" is passive voice and it's vague. The page does not present the evidence that a significant amount of viewers are upset or only the minimal amount who take the time to complain. ... "for comments suggesting Canadian immigrants benefit from the sacrifices" Cherry has already clarified this vague statement; he meant everyone to be included not just immigrants. It's impossible to literally comprehend the statement. It's not suggesting anything rather say "Viewers interpreted this as____" The rambling doesn't hold weight due to the unscripted manner. As such it's not newsworthy but perhaps cringeworthy. Why should anyone care about a newscasters opinion in the firstplace? Where's the significance? Answering these two questions would significantly raise the quality of writing. 65.255.181.151 ( talk) 09:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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"In November 2019, Cherry was fired by Sportsnet from Hockey Night in Canada due to the fallout from comments suggesting Canadian immigrants benefit from the sacrifices of veterans but do not wear Remembrance Day poppies."
Should be changed to(the original statement implies that as a fact as opposed to an opinion of some people.):
"In November 2019, Cherry was fired by Sportsnet from Hockey Night in Canada due to the fallout from comments some believed suggested Canadian immigrants benefit from the sacrifices of veterans but do not wear Remembrance Day poppies." 104.232.203.77 ( talk) 23:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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Correct grammar in the "Removal from Hockey Night in Canada" text
Move the period inside the quotations: ...these guys paid the biggest price."[52] ... stating "I have had my say."[56] Ketchupppppppp ( talk) 16:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
The other Don Cherries [sic?] on Wikipedia are as of-note as this fellow. This article should therefore be a disambiguation page and this Don Cherry’s article can move to Don Cherry (hockey) or something. Morganfitzp ( talk) 15:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I didn't see any consensus to change this article's title. It should be reverted. GoodDay ( talk) 09:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved CollectiveSolidarity ( talk) 14:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
– A while ago I was asked to help with moving a page on Don Cherry's dog, and was considerably surprised to find that that animal did not belong to Don Cherry at all, but to someone else of the same name (someone I'd never heard of, but who I learned was very well known within a narrow field). I moved this page and was reverted (see above); a second attempt to do the same has also been reverted, so it's probably time for some discussion.
The trumpeter appears to be the WP:primary topic:
But no matter, all that counts here is that the hockey person is not. No objection if a title such as Don Cherry (ice hockey) is preferred to that I've proposed. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 11:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
No part of his speech was racist, it was anti immigrant, which means it could have been against a white immigrant? AustinAuriat ( talk) 22:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
@ AustinAuriat: IMHO, Sportsnet was waiting for any reason, to fire Cherry. But, we have to go by the reliable sources. GoodDay ( talk) 22:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
the podcast is not mentioned 2607:FEA8:6002:3500:6510:F705:9BE6:549D ( talk) 14:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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How come Cherry's coaching paragraph doesn't include his 1976 Canada Cup, where his tip to the players to fake a slap shot while skating in on the Czech goalie and then put the puck in the net, led to Darryl Sittler's game winner in OT and the Canada Cup? Also, he was coach of the 1981 Canada World Championship team, which finished in fourth place. Alslammerz
Cherry is or was an owner of a minor-league hockey team in which he demanded that only Canadians be allowed to play on the team. Does anybody know the name of the team? Zoe
I don't understand the claim that Cherry's plaid suits are an unverifiable fact. The intro to Coach's Corner that is played every week (every two days, or so during the playoffs) clearly shows a cut-out of Don in a plaid suit. For confirmation of this feel free to see: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hnic/coach.html . Furthermore, I don't think it is enough to say that he is known for wearing pin-stripe suits and gold ties. Many people wear black pin-stripe suits and gold ties and aren't known for it. I hope that my most recent edit clarifies things. Carruthers 21:38, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Is he actually going to be in the Disney movie "The Wild" (CGI animation)? Imdb lists Don Cherry as providing a voice and links to this Don Cherry but I'm still not convinced.-- Fmaack 11:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Unlike those who decry the violence in North American ice hockey; Cherry embraces it. HOwever, he insists that it be done in a "clean" manner where gloves are dropped and sticks and other equipment never used. He feels that this is a necessary outlet for frustrations and lets player themselves police the game to an extent and prevents indirect violence such as "accidental" tripping, which he insists is far more common Europe. Does this belong in the article? Rlquall 12:00, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
"Cherry is generally regarded as being an outspoken conservative on many issues, making him often at odds with the overall tone of CBC programming, which is generally characterized as liberal-leaning."
C'mon, it's an article about a sports commentator, not about CBC bias. Fair enough about the "outspoken conservative" bit, but there's no need to discuss perceived bias in his employer's productions. And, besides, "generally characterized" is vague. Generally characterized by rightwing press and politicians? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.2.164.18 ( talk • contribs)
The comment about the liberal-leaning character of the CBC makes it a little more obvious what the conflict is between Don Cherry and CBC management. If he made conservative comments on a conservative channel, nobody would notice. It's the way his perspectives differ from those generally expressed by CBC that make them that much more obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.217.115 ( talk • contribs)
if del cherry, don's father, is one of kingston's best ever athletes, why isn't there a wikipedia article on him? 131.111.8.97 21:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
does he have any children? if so what are their names? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.224.89 ( talk • contribs)
I added a brief bit on Don Cherry's restaurants, and also on charity work. others may be able to add detail if they feel more detail is required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OttawaShane ( talk • contribs)
"...Many consider him to be a Canadian cultural icon." Please give me a break, canadian cultural icon, my a... !!!? This says a lot about the extent of canadian culture; I'm glad to be a frog, merci beaucoup ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperchipper ( talk • contribs)
While at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous#Grapes Cherry's name came up and someone asked where the nickname comes from. I found the one reference but there must be a better one. If someone could find it and add it. THanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Sports Illustrated had an article in 1993 about Cherry that described him as "part Rush Limbaugh and part Dick Vitale." That analogy means little to Canadians but is the perfect description of Cherry for Americans. Think we should include it in the article? -- Mwalcoff 02:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't have a linkable source, but I was listening to it at the time, and it's probably in hansard, but that takes digging. Rustalot42684 01:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Donald Stewart Cherry (born February 5, 1934 in Kingston, Ontario, Canada) is know as the must racist canadian, promoting racism agains french speaking canadians. He is know as the "English Separatist".
How does this pass the Wiki standard for biographies of living persons? It is an unsourced allegation of racism and is potentially libelous. It should be removed immediately, for poor grammer if nothing else. J —The preceding
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contribs) 17:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC).
ut 30 minutes before you posted your comment. I saw it and came to the same conclusion you did. With no reference to back it up, I deleted it on the spot. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
"Don Cherry is widely criticized for many comments he has made targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans while on the air during Hockey Night in Canada and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC" --- Why are acurate, referenced details being deleted regarding Don Cherry's comnents targeting French and European ethnicities??? Why is the deteled information not showing up in the discussion section? the fact is that Don Cherry's comments that talk about French Canadians, Europeans, Swedes and Russians has been criticized by many is in print, in the news and on the internet - why the censorship? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jumblecar2 ( talk • contribs) 21:18, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I admit I am new to editing on Wiki (this is my first attempt to contribute). The first time I wrote I did say derogatory. However after it was intially deleted I returned and wrote "Don Cherry is widely criticized for many comments he has made targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans while on the air during Hockey Night in Canada and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC" which is not in reference to his outspoken nature but to the large amount of publically visible criticism that exists in print and on the internet. I did back this up with an article from editor of themetropolitain, an article from the CBC and a published book on sociological behaviour "Ourselves in Canada: Media and Power" that has an entire chapter devoted to Don Cherry entitled "The Prime Minister of Saturday Night: Don Cherry, the CBC, and the Cultural Production of Intolerance" publisher=Prentice Hall isbn=9780205733163
1 =
http://www.themetropolitain.ca/articles/view/964
2 = Book: Ourselves in Canada: Media Power and Policy pages 59-72
3 = http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2004/02/06/cherry040206.html -- this being the best reference that demonstrates my point as it is written by the CBC, the very organization for which Don Cherry is employed. Jumblecar2 ( talk) 22:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I did not title this section racism allegations. It was already here. I used this section because it was titled INTRODUCTION
The web reference do back my edit
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2004/02/06/cherry040206.html "During the first period intermission Cherry spoke out about players wearing visors on their helmets. In full flight he said, "most of the guys that wear them are Europeans or French guys ..." The remark was roundly criticized by French language groups across the country."
http://www.themetropolitain.ca/articles/view/964 "Viewers may notice a trend: He seems to take special pleasure in players who aren’t Anglophone North-Americans being the victims of rough play. Among a few borderline bigoted incidents, the CBC had to put Coach’s Corner on a seven-second delay in 2004 after he mocked “French guys and Europeans” for wearing visors on their helmets"
SO how many incidents and references should I use to state that: Don Cherry is widely criticized for many comments he has made targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans while on the air during Hockey Night in Canada and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC? Jumblecar2 ( talk) 23:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Actually based on the wiki policies regarding biographies for the living, I can agree that the term derogatory is perhaps harsh. If I were to use: "Don Cherry is widely criticized for comments targeting specific ethnicities such as French Canadians and Europeans Canada and this has led to Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC" but use more references; specifically references of critism towards Cherry regarding multiple events; do you think that could be acceptable? - Thank you for your feedback BrashBrannigan. Jumblecar2 ( talk) 02:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Interesting BrashBrannigan, I can see how stating anything controversial even if true, can be difficult when discussing someone still alive on wiki. Ok, I do agree with your statement and I am not looking to make up history or interpret history; I am trying to find a way to include a valid comment referring to Don Cherry, specifically in the way that many people outside of traditional English Canadians perceive him. How about:
Don Cherry comments have targeted specific ethnicities on more than one occasion; these have resulted in infuriating Russian communities[2]; as well as comments deemed reprehensible that were roundly criticized by French Canadian groups around the country and which later resulted in Cherry's broadcasts being put on a seven second delay by the CBC. [3]
where ref [2] =
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2002/03/01/cherry030102.html "Cherry's remarks infuriated Russian communities in various cities and towns across Canada"
and ref [3] =
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2004/02/06/cherry040206.html "The CBC has decided to put an end to "reprehensible" remarks by Hockey Night in Canada commentator Don Cherry." and "The remark was roundly criticized by French language groups across the country"
I believe this (I hope) this meets the wiki policies and is inline with what you have been trying to communicate to me. Thanks again for your assistance and help with outlining this for me.
Jumblecar2 (
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19:32, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I have saved them the trouble and edited/removed it myself. I do not want something posted that does not fall in scope of wiki's policies. I'll admit finding the words to say it properly is alluding me now but I'll keep trying till I get right. I will need to think about this a little before trying again however.
One thing I disagree with you BrashBrannigan is that I do feel that it does belong in the introduction. It was previously removed because the editor C.Fred thought I was mentioning the fact he is outspoken when in fact I was mentioning that he is criticized in the news, and in print for targeting ethnic minorities on more than one occasion - this is a huge aspect of who he is especially outside of English speaking Canada so I would argue it introduction-worthy. I just need to find the "wiki" way of saying it.
I apologize for taking up your time BrashBrannigan and would like to say I do appreciate the effort you have given me.
Jumblecar2 (
talk) 21:06, 1 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding
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Didn't Cherry sell his interest in the Mississauga Ice Dogs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.5.65 ( talk • contribs) 22:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
Does his nickname ever get prepended to his last name? Whenever I've heard it used, it's always just been "Grapes," standing alone. Given the usage, and comparing that to "The Big Hurt," Frank Thomas, I'm thinking that the intro needs reworded to just give his full name, and then give the nickname later in the paragraph.
Am I wrong about the usage? Or does anybody have a reason why it shouldn't be done like other stand-alone sports nicknames (Thomas, Wayne Gretzky)? — C.Fred ( talk) 01:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I feel this section is a very poor representation of Cherry's views. For example, there are three citations from a student journalist newspaper opinion column, which is a bit questionable in a national and international context. In addition, some of the phrases are very strongly worded considering Cherry hasn't outright made these comments. For example:
Cherry has a strong dislike of the "European style" of hockey, and has often insulted French Canadian hockey players on his show, blaming them for bringing diving, high-sticking and the introduction of visors into the league, while taking the jobs of "good-old Canadian boys."
This statement is a borderline attack and ignores statements he has made criticizing Canadian and American players.
After questionable gestures on the part of Atlanta Thrashers' star winger Ilya Kovalchuk, Cherry fumed: "Someone should have broken [Kovalchuk's arm], but they didn't.
This statement is just thrown in there without any context or results, sort of "furthering" the point on anti-Europeanism. Many of the statements seem to be selective and intentionally short to push a point of view.
Also, I think the section should be split up- I don't see why the section should cover controversies and then have stuff like Crosby's A and his support of Harper. -- Wafulz 22:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I think this section should be expanded upon. He is more known for his controversial xenophobia and prejudices than for his actual hockey knowledge. People tune in just to see what or who he is going to attack next. His career on television is based on being controversial and politically incorrect, yet this section is minute. How about expanding on his deliberate mispronunciation/mocking of non-Canadian players' names? His "Canadian hate Canadians" comments he made tonight? There's tones of material to work with here--
Lvivske (
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01:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
How can you have an article about Don Cherry without talking about his loud suits? -- 70.81.251.32 02:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Alright, so its pretty well known that the ZZ top song 'Sharp Dressed Man' Is the unoffical 'theme song' of Cherry. So, is it worth mentioning? I'm not trying to cause any sort of flame war or what not, just trying to throw this idea onto the field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.61.34 ( talk) 19:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
It isn't played on Coach's Corner now, but at one time it was indeed the intro song. You must be too young to remember it. Tim in Canada —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.225.122 ( talk) 14:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Per WP:HOCKEY's decision to remove the nickname field from the infobox, it is being moved here for use later. "| nickname = Grapes" - Djsasso ( talk) 21:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
where did don cherry go to school if you know please post it on the page. Thank you. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.246.2.11 ( talk) 18:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
The movie about his life, which was written by his son, and which he cooperated in the filming of portrays him as a wife beater. Since this is not a rumor, and admitted, it should be added to the main page. 67.68.9.149 ( talk) 19:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
An editor, 81.57.78.10, keeps making the same edit which myself and another editor have reverted now 5 times and it will likely be 6. I believe the edit to be so obviously improper that I don't think it is even worthy of an RFC. However, to avoid an edit war, I started this section.
The first is the original the second it the edit and the bold is the content which is being replaced. It is from the Political views and controversy section.
"Later on, a study was published that proved Cherry to be partially correct: 50% of Europeans and 40% of French-Canadians wore visors, compared to 22% of North Americans born outside of Quebec, but players who wear visors committed proportionately fewer high-sticking penalties than players who do not."
is replaced by:
"Later on, a study was published that proved Cherry to be wrong; players who wear visors committed proportionately fewer high-sticking penalties than players who do not."
The original is correct because 1. it exactly what the published source says. 2. the fact that Cherry was partly correct needs to be included because of NPOV. BashBrannigan ( talk) 19:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Since Cherry is considered to be a coach, why does this article have an extensive report of his record as a player, and yet none as a coach? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.42.150 ( talk) 05:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
If you can find a reliable source for the stats, add them and cite them. Not terribly complicated ;) BruceJohnJennerLawso ( talk) 18:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
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An IP user (or two, but likely same person) has twice tried to delete part of the Colorado Rockies section, pointing to lack of a source. I've accepted one of those pending changes, which was subsequently reverted by Echoedmyron; the earlier pending change was not accepted by Kb03. But I think the IP user has a point. The short citation is incomplete, the longer reference that should underlie it doesn't exist, and thus it cannot be verified. This is particularly problematic in relation to WP:BLP as it's a controversial subject. I think we need a proper source for this to remain in the article. Sakkura ( talk) 18:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Was Cherry fired or did he quit, HNIC. GoodDay ( talk) 21:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
He was fired. Jalenridge ( talk) 22:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Most likely he was a contractor and therefore it's an ending of a contract - as firing is only possible in an employment situation. Of course, that's a bit complicated for the tabloid press. CT55555 ( talk) 00:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
It currently reads: Donald Stewart Cherry (born February 5, 1934) is a Canadian ice hockey commentator. He is also a sports writer, as well as a retired professional hockey player and National Hockey League (NHL) coach.
As he just lost his main profession, shouldn't it be "retired ice hockey commentator" or "former ice hockey commentator?"
CT55555 ( talk) 00:51, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
To be politically correct, it should be "disgraced former ice hockey commentator". 74.88.66.192 ( talk) 02:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Fourth paragraph, citations needed. It's terribly written like it's original material. It's also an over-simplification of the issue. It would be better to say "In Cherry's Coach's corner segment of the show, he talks about issues related to ____ so that ___. To connect with the viewers he often speaks in an off-the-cuff fashion. These dialogues often become political. His opinions upsets a negligible portion of viewers." ... "Sometimes proven controversial" is passive voice and it's vague. The page does not present the evidence that a significant amount of viewers are upset or only the minimal amount who take the time to complain. ... "for comments suggesting Canadian immigrants benefit from the sacrifices" Cherry has already clarified this vague statement; he meant everyone to be included not just immigrants. It's impossible to literally comprehend the statement. It's not suggesting anything rather say "Viewers interpreted this as____" The rambling doesn't hold weight due to the unscripted manner. As such it's not newsworthy but perhaps cringeworthy. Why should anyone care about a newscasters opinion in the firstplace? Where's the significance? Answering these two questions would significantly raise the quality of writing. 65.255.181.151 ( talk) 09:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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"In November 2019, Cherry was fired by Sportsnet from Hockey Night in Canada due to the fallout from comments suggesting Canadian immigrants benefit from the sacrifices of veterans but do not wear Remembrance Day poppies."
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"In November 2019, Cherry was fired by Sportsnet from Hockey Night in Canada due to the fallout from comments some believed suggested Canadian immigrants benefit from the sacrifices of veterans but do not wear Remembrance Day poppies." 104.232.203.77 ( talk) 23:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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Correct grammar in the "Removal from Hockey Night in Canada" text
Move the period inside the quotations: ...these guys paid the biggest price."[52] ... stating "I have had my say."[56] Ketchupppppppp ( talk) 16:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
The other Don Cherries [sic?] on Wikipedia are as of-note as this fellow. This article should therefore be a disambiguation page and this Don Cherry’s article can move to Don Cherry (hockey) or something. Morganfitzp ( talk) 15:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I didn't see any consensus to change this article's title. It should be reverted. GoodDay ( talk) 09:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved CollectiveSolidarity ( talk) 14:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
– A while ago I was asked to help with moving a page on Don Cherry's dog, and was considerably surprised to find that that animal did not belong to Don Cherry at all, but to someone else of the same name (someone I'd never heard of, but who I learned was very well known within a narrow field). I moved this page and was reverted (see above); a second attempt to do the same has also been reverted, so it's probably time for some discussion.
The trumpeter appears to be the WP:primary topic:
But no matter, all that counts here is that the hockey person is not. No objection if a title such as Don Cherry (ice hockey) is preferred to that I've proposed. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 11:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
No part of his speech was racist, it was anti immigrant, which means it could have been against a white immigrant? AustinAuriat ( talk) 22:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
@ AustinAuriat: IMHO, Sportsnet was waiting for any reason, to fire Cherry. But, we have to go by the reliable sources. GoodDay ( talk) 22:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
the podcast is not mentioned 2607:FEA8:6002:3500:6510:F705:9BE6:549D ( talk) 14:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC)