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Why publish an item about a poem without providing the words? Pointless! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:9A0D:A201:F94E:19E:1B74:1246 ( talk) 09:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
There are many ways to help inform users that an article may be based on bias, be unreliable, requiring citation, etc. rather than mass blanking which can casues other problems. Please place citation requests through the article, or maybe go the WikiProjects listed in the talk page that may have a concern for the article and raise the question there. Deleting because 'it has no references' is a weak argument in Wikipedia as that leads way to the mass blanking of many important articles and leaves the door wide open to vandalism. Just post your concerns and allow others to deal with it. This article is in the sights of other editors, we know the problems and we will deal with it. But mass blanking causes the resentment of other editors and turns others off from trying to repair, as building from a stub can be demoralising. FruitMonkey ( talk) 17:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
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The article says: "Thomas watched his father, formerly in the Army.. " But there is no source to support this claim, so I have added a when? tag. If the army connection is true, one might perhaps (more) expect to find it mentioned in the main Dylan Thomas article. I wonder does anyone have a supporting source? If not, it has been suggested that this claim should be deleted. Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:48, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Would it be a copyright violation to put the entire text of the poem in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glubbdrubb ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
[1] Seems to be in Chola Road, Bhopal. Or was in 2011, anyway. Is there a public domain free image anywhere? Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
In this edit, three examples of legacy/ popular culture were removed. What is the rationale for this removal? They are all well sourced, so I see no problem with keeping them. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I believe the weblink 'Analysis by BBC' is not working correctly anymore. At least I cannot find any analysis on that page. I beliefe it should be http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/english_literature/poetry_wjec/relationships/donotgogentle/revision/1/ instead. Does anyone disagree? Taitaku ( talk) 12:17, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Could we have an explanation as to why the "Use in popular culture" section is a "ridiculously long and pointless trivia section"? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:14, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
The article is so imbalanced that one would think that the use of the poem (or lines from it) in popular culture is more significant than the poem itself. The list as it stands isn't even close to comprehensive. (Where's Iggy Pop? Where's John Cale?) Maybe we apply WP standards of notability to determine what to include? A paragraph highlighting the most notable uses rather than a lengthy yet incomplete list, perhaps? JSFarman ( talk) 03:52, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Why does Dylan use the adjective when he should use the adverb? Thank you, Maikel ( talk) 13:26, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Should the section 'Notable use in popular culture' be updated with the fact that the Christchurch shooter quoted the poem in its entirety in his manifesto? 人族 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:42, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
I just cut the list down; it was out of control again. Mostly because editors were adding instances of the line being used once in the context of a film or a song. Criteria should be that it is more than the simple use of the lyric; it has to be more substantial use or independently noteworthy. Either that or we should add a separate list. File my edits under bold. And Martinevans123, come back! JSFarman ( talk) 15:55, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
An old version of this article had a analysis section. It was removed because it had no references.
I think an analysis section would improve the article, therefore I searched for potential sources: https://blog.prepscholar.com/do-not-go-gentle-into-that-good-night-meaning-dylan-thomas
However, I am not versed in this area, and don't know if this is a valid or good source. Could someone please have a look at it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterMantis ( talk • contribs) May 4, 2021 (UTC)
This poem was written in 1951, and Dylan Thomas died in 1953. As such, this year will be the 70th anniversary of his death - as a result, his works will enter the public domain this year.
Am I correct in this, and as such should Wikipedia include the text when it does enter public domain? 2A02:C7C:CC5F:1700:6C78:9669:3806:296C ( talk) 22:49, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
The opening section says that the poem being written about Thomas' father is just a suggestion, whereas the analysis section treats it as a fact. Duckduckgoop ( talk) 04:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Am I correct in thinking that the poem can be included in the article on new year's day? His death (1953) + 70 is late 2023, so it gets 'rounded' to 2024, and he is listed on 2024 in public domain. ARandomName123 ( talk)Ping me! 17:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies.( Source). ARandomName123 ( talk)Ping me! 18:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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Why publish an item about a poem without providing the words? Pointless! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:9A0D:A201:F94E:19E:1B74:1246 ( talk) 09:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
There are many ways to help inform users that an article may be based on bias, be unreliable, requiring citation, etc. rather than mass blanking which can casues other problems. Please place citation requests through the article, or maybe go the WikiProjects listed in the talk page that may have a concern for the article and raise the question there. Deleting because 'it has no references' is a weak argument in Wikipedia as that leads way to the mass blanking of many important articles and leaves the door wide open to vandalism. Just post your concerns and allow others to deal with it. This article is in the sights of other editors, we know the problems and we will deal with it. But mass blanking causes the resentment of other editors and turns others off from trying to repair, as building from a stub can be demoralising. FruitMonkey ( talk) 17:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
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The article says: "Thomas watched his father, formerly in the Army.. " But there is no source to support this claim, so I have added a when? tag. If the army connection is true, one might perhaps (more) expect to find it mentioned in the main Dylan Thomas article. I wonder does anyone have a supporting source? If not, it has been suggested that this claim should be deleted. Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:48, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Would it be a copyright violation to put the entire text of the poem in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glubbdrubb ( talk • contribs) 20:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
[1] Seems to be in Chola Road, Bhopal. Or was in 2011, anyway. Is there a public domain free image anywhere? Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
In this edit, three examples of legacy/ popular culture were removed. What is the rationale for this removal? They are all well sourced, so I see no problem with keeping them. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I believe the weblink 'Analysis by BBC' is not working correctly anymore. At least I cannot find any analysis on that page. I beliefe it should be http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/english_literature/poetry_wjec/relationships/donotgogentle/revision/1/ instead. Does anyone disagree? Taitaku ( talk) 12:17, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Could we have an explanation as to why the "Use in popular culture" section is a "ridiculously long and pointless trivia section"? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:14, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
The article is so imbalanced that one would think that the use of the poem (or lines from it) in popular culture is more significant than the poem itself. The list as it stands isn't even close to comprehensive. (Where's Iggy Pop? Where's John Cale?) Maybe we apply WP standards of notability to determine what to include? A paragraph highlighting the most notable uses rather than a lengthy yet incomplete list, perhaps? JSFarman ( talk) 03:52, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Why does Dylan use the adjective when he should use the adverb? Thank you, Maikel ( talk) 13:26, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Should the section 'Notable use in popular culture' be updated with the fact that the Christchurch shooter quoted the poem in its entirety in his manifesto? 人族 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:42, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
I just cut the list down; it was out of control again. Mostly because editors were adding instances of the line being used once in the context of a film or a song. Criteria should be that it is more than the simple use of the lyric; it has to be more substantial use or independently noteworthy. Either that or we should add a separate list. File my edits under bold. And Martinevans123, come back! JSFarman ( talk) 15:55, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
An old version of this article had a analysis section. It was removed because it had no references.
I think an analysis section would improve the article, therefore I searched for potential sources: https://blog.prepscholar.com/do-not-go-gentle-into-that-good-night-meaning-dylan-thomas
However, I am not versed in this area, and don't know if this is a valid or good source. Could someone please have a look at it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterMantis ( talk • contribs) May 4, 2021 (UTC)
This poem was written in 1951, and Dylan Thomas died in 1953. As such, this year will be the 70th anniversary of his death - as a result, his works will enter the public domain this year.
Am I correct in this, and as such should Wikipedia include the text when it does enter public domain? 2A02:C7C:CC5F:1700:6C78:9669:3806:296C ( talk) 22:49, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
The opening section says that the poem being written about Thomas' father is just a suggestion, whereas the analysis section treats it as a fact. Duckduckgoop ( talk) 04:39, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Am I correct in thinking that the poem can be included in the article on new year's day? His death (1953) + 70 is late 2023, so it gets 'rounded' to 2024, and he is listed on 2024 in public domain. ARandomName123 ( talk)Ping me! 17:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies.( Source). ARandomName123 ( talk)Ping me! 18:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)