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synopsis doesn't quite match the german one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.198.210.69 ( talk • contribs).
dude, Thymian was not seduced by Meinert. She fainted in his arms while talking about how alone she felt and Meinert carried her up to her room and raped her while she was still unconscious. there was absolutely no consent involved. Please edit the synopsis to reflect this. 124.169.237.242 ( talk) 09:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC) IP: 124.169.237.242
um. she doesn't open her eyes from when she collapses into his arms to when he lunges at her at the end of the scene. she's limp. when he kisses her, she doesn't even kiss back! she doesn't even jump when the wine glass crashes off the table, even though she can't see what's happening. if she can't see, and she isn't moving, how on earth can anyone interpret that as "accepting his loving"? even if, supposing, she wasn't out cold, if she is honestly so exhausted that she can't even lift her head, open her eyes, of say a word, how on earth is she going to have the strength to say no to this guy's sexual advances? he's like 7 feet tall! and later she says that she doesn't love him in the very next scene! and i think the fact that thymian never says "he raped me" is probably more of a product of her character, and the way the movie shows its drama, and also of the times. the scene faded out after the bedroom scene because she was being raped. even if you wanted to use the word "seduced", it just doesn't fit. seduction involves two people with their faculties about them. there is absolutely no evidence that there was any consent along the way (retrospective consent doesn't bar it from being rape, btw, supposing you wanted to argue for that) and there is so much more evidence that she just didn't have the capacity to prevent herself from sexual intercourse at the time. the idea that she woke up properly at some point, consented, and got pregnant (which still wouldn't bar it from being rape before she woke up, or coercion after she woke up), is just completely absurd and makes no sense! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.237.242 ( talk) 06:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
also, one more thing! if you're telling me we shouldn't categorise the scene being a rape scene as a fact, even though all the signs point to it being rape, why on earth are you sticking with seduction as a categorical fact on the page, even though there is no sign that points to seduction? why pick seduction over rape? it's completely misleading! you could at least state a section about this ambiguity if you wanted to, but if you're going to include the possibility of seduction, you have to include the greater likelihood of rape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.237.242 ( talk) 06:36, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
okay. here you go. ^.^ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thomas-gladysz/a-lost-girl-a-fake-diary-_b_694263.html (or do i have to edit the article as well?). just Ctrl+F "rape". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.237.242 ( talk) 13:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Since its portrayal of rape was considered graphic for its time it should be noted, also some information on the film's production and reception would be nice.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 07:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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synopsis doesn't quite match the german one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.198.210.69 ( talk • contribs).
dude, Thymian was not seduced by Meinert. She fainted in his arms while talking about how alone she felt and Meinert carried her up to her room and raped her while she was still unconscious. there was absolutely no consent involved. Please edit the synopsis to reflect this. 124.169.237.242 ( talk) 09:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC) IP: 124.169.237.242
um. she doesn't open her eyes from when she collapses into his arms to when he lunges at her at the end of the scene. she's limp. when he kisses her, she doesn't even kiss back! she doesn't even jump when the wine glass crashes off the table, even though she can't see what's happening. if she can't see, and she isn't moving, how on earth can anyone interpret that as "accepting his loving"? even if, supposing, she wasn't out cold, if she is honestly so exhausted that she can't even lift her head, open her eyes, of say a word, how on earth is she going to have the strength to say no to this guy's sexual advances? he's like 7 feet tall! and later she says that she doesn't love him in the very next scene! and i think the fact that thymian never says "he raped me" is probably more of a product of her character, and the way the movie shows its drama, and also of the times. the scene faded out after the bedroom scene because she was being raped. even if you wanted to use the word "seduced", it just doesn't fit. seduction involves two people with their faculties about them. there is absolutely no evidence that there was any consent along the way (retrospective consent doesn't bar it from being rape, btw, supposing you wanted to argue for that) and there is so much more evidence that she just didn't have the capacity to prevent herself from sexual intercourse at the time. the idea that she woke up properly at some point, consented, and got pregnant (which still wouldn't bar it from being rape before she woke up, or coercion after she woke up), is just completely absurd and makes no sense! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.237.242 ( talk) 06:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
also, one more thing! if you're telling me we shouldn't categorise the scene being a rape scene as a fact, even though all the signs point to it being rape, why on earth are you sticking with seduction as a categorical fact on the page, even though there is no sign that points to seduction? why pick seduction over rape? it's completely misleading! you could at least state a section about this ambiguity if you wanted to, but if you're going to include the possibility of seduction, you have to include the greater likelihood of rape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.237.242 ( talk) 06:36, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
okay. here you go. ^.^ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thomas-gladysz/a-lost-girl-a-fake-diary-_b_694263.html (or do i have to edit the article as well?). just Ctrl+F "rape". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.237.242 ( talk) 13:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Since its portrayal of rape was considered graphic for its time it should be noted, also some information on the film's production and reception would be nice.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 07:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC)