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As per recent AfD, the main issue with this subject is that a "ten year old with an Instagram account" is not a valid WP topic.
Issues to be addressed to ensure content is up to standard:
I.am.a.qwerty ( talk) 06:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Update: Removed 2 youtube links that were used as sources. Some WP:Undue phrases and peacock terms removed. Ordered page content by relevance. Merged bio and performance sections but made awards new section.
At this stage, the sources dont indicate any real activism other than the creation of his instagram "drag club" page. The subject should be treated as a child performer with only a few performances and accomplishments BUT with a significant amount of press coverage. I.am.a.qwerty ( talk) 06:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
How do I request removal of page. I am his legal guardian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upsetterfc ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
He is a paid drag performer, not working for tips. Huge difference. Also left off is that tipping by throwing money on stage is a common method of showing appreciation for a drag performance. Plus there are no factually correct nor neutral POV articles cited.
I will request removal via arbitration if Controversy section is added again. It is libelous, factually incorrect, uses biased sourcing and cites a Youtube video using sources without copyright permission. Upsetterfc ( talk) 02:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Inclusion of westernjournal.com as a legitimate source will be disputed. They are a propaganda site not using factually correct reporting. Upsetterfc ( talk) 02:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Here's a couple of possibly useful sources, something from cnbc [1] and a The Christian Post opinionpiece by a Michael L. Brown [2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
There are no legitimate sources regarding his performances. All sources are anti-LGBT or political propaganda. We have not responded to any of the current articles, so no source exists with a neutral POV. Any source citing drug use is either using an edited fake video (ketamine) or just innuendo (Alig). The only sources reporting this are either anti-LGBT or political propaganda. No legitimate news source will pick up any of these stories due to the lack of credible sources and facts. Upsetterfc ( talk) 14:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Content issues tagged on page for post-AfD cleanup have been resolved. Original peacock terms and other fansite pov wording removed. Emphasis on performances and the minor community award have been reduced. Additional sources including an academic paper have been added. I.am.a.qwerty ( talk) 04:15, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi @ Gleeanon409: Your putting what called bare url, a whole bunch of them, which provide the barest amount of information about a reference and are prone to link rot. The article quality is already fairly high and I would like you to maintain that quality but putting full size references in. Please look at WP:REFB. Thanks. scope_creep Talk 10:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
That is about the most densest reason for obliterating a lot of good hard work. Just because a bare reference is not ideal you wiped out good referenced content and references. I have to slowly cut and paste everything I do, and your little action there just wiped out even more referenced content that I was trying to save. Such a shame. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 10:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Refill worked once but the second time it seemed to screw things up? Not sure how to fix it? Gleeanon409 ( talk) 13:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
"El Periódico de Catalunya states he is the most famous "drag kid" in the world,[10] Los Replicantes states he is the youngest professional drag queen in the world.[11]" This is not a summary of anthing in the article, needs to be moved per WP:LEAD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:53, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Desmond Napoles → Desmond is Amazing – Desmond is Amazing is this professional performer’s stage name known internationally. He is likely the world’s most famous drag kid, as well as the world’s youngest professional drag queen. I think WP:STAGENAME is most appropriate. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 04:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
There is little doubt that Desmond is best known by his stage name Desmond is Amazing, the vast majority of reliable sources refer to him as such. He uses Desmond is Amazing professionally when he’s performing, on his social media, and for his many public appearances. An example of what I mean would be Lady Gaga, not Stefani Germanotta.
I think his stage name should be preferred throughout the article after the introduction, using ‘Desmond’ instead of ‘Napoles’. And I think the article title should reflect his stage name. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 23:08, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Desmond should be added to that category. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 12:28, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Regarding subsequent references to the subject of the article, it's a somewhat tricky case. The guideline says:
People who are best known by a pseudonym should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (e.g. Sting, Snoop Dogg, the Edge), in which case the whole pseudonym is used.
The tricky part in interpreting the guideline, is that his stage name includes his real first name, with no surname—pseudonymous or otherwise. Since he doesn't have a pseudonymous surname, one choice here would be to use the pseudonym "Desmond Is Amazing" in its entirety, every time; but that would be awkward.
The approach taken so far appears to be to abbreviate the pseudonym down to just "Desmond"; but that gets into the tricky part, because that matches his first name, which conflicts with another part of the guideline which clearly forbids that: Generally speaking, subjects should not otherwise be referred to by their given name. The use of the given name gives the impression that the writer knows the subject personally, which is not relevant—even if true.
The default case at the top of the guideline offers this: After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only.
There doesn't seem to be a slam-dunk solution here, but it seems to me since Napoles is still a minor and not in a position to legally choose his own name, and that using the full pseudonym every time is awkward, opting for clarity for the reader argues for using just his surname as the best option that meets all the recommendations within the guideline. Mathglot ( talk) 23:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
So, it doesn't depend entirely on what reliable sources do, since we have our own style manual that covers romanization, capitalization, hypenation, italicization, and use of names. When it's about verifiable fact—where he was born, when he started performing—yes, of course; we follow the majority of reliable sources. When it's not about fact, but about style, we follow MOS:; and in this case, what we should be following, in my opinion, is WP:SURNAME, just like withFox Film songwriter Jay Gorney was walking out of the viewing of Temple's last Frolics of Youth picture when he saw her dancing in the movie theater lobby. Recognizing her from the screen, he arranged for her to have a screen test for the movie Stand Up and Cheer! Temple arrived for the audition on December 7, 1933; she won the part and was signed to a $150-per-week contract that was guaranteed for two weeks by Fox Film Corporation. The role was a breakthrough performance for Temple.
The majority of sources refer to him as ‘Desmond is Amazing’ then shorten it to Desmond.
Hi @ Gleeanon409: Solid work on the article, but it now says Desmond Is Amazing in the lede, which gives a false impression and is against consensus. Last months RFC stated no consensus to rename the article, but throwing that onto the lede is much the same. The lede is now also too big and it is bit promotional as well. I think the lede needs a copyedit, scope_creep Talk 23:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
I plan to do a copyedit. The lede has exploded with a lot of extraneous detail and the body in bits needs work. scope_creep Talk 00:48, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
After seeing the exoansion of this article over the past 6 months, I've switched the performances section title to "notable performances" and the bullet list to paragraph style, as not every performance should/needs to be listed (we have gone from challenging notability to over-coverage of every appearance). I.am.a.qwerty ( talk) 05:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I have heard rumors of child abuse/exploitation regarding this kid and CPS has been called multiple times on this family. It could just be a way to make him seem more famous than he actually is.-- LadyData ( talk) 19:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Radiohist: Could you offer some feedback on your concerns for tagging the whole section? How should it improve? Gleeanon409 ( talk) 07:43, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
In my view the section about criticism currently seems more like a section devoted to elaborating that criticism is neither necessary nor welcome. Therefore I support the banner that its neutrality is disputed. I understand that this is a delicate subject and if I mention criticism then criticism of a reasonable kind is meant. I understand that there is some influence but the claim that if anything here would be seen as unusual it would be because institutions and parents are suppressing all other children seems so generalised and convenient that it borders on being a conspiracy theory. That they would expose themself to the spotlight as a minor, possibly underestimating the commercialisation, not to say exploitation that it may entail, consuming even supposedly strong adults, to me at least it seems suspect.
lmaxmai 19 July 2019 (UTC)
I know I haven't been involved in this discussion up until now, but I just found some sources that support the story of Desmond being with Michael Alig:
1. https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/desmond-napoles-gender-identity-ideology/ 2. https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-exploitation-of-drag-kid-desmond-is-amazing/ 3. https://spectator.us/desmond-amazing-child-drag-queens/
Whether they're too subjective to cite for this article or not is something that needs to be discussed, but the fact that that story's been so widely mentioned across this variety of different sites is reason enough to try to include it in the article one way or another. Neateditor123 ( talk) 17:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Nblund:Thing is, I'm not actually suggesting we add it. Just comparing it to some of the other gushy "sources" that are currently being used that have a similar lack of neutrality. Nblund, you do realize that this child's official instagram account, run by the mother, to which we are referring and you are calling a possible BLP violation for simply discussing it on talk, is currently being used as a source in this article? Go look. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 18:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
( edit conflict) Edits to the criticism section so far today look like it's moving in a better, more neutral direction. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 18:38, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
I’m missing the concept for this section. Maybe the title is unintentionally misleading?
His entire career is Desmond is Amazing, which is his public persona.
This seems more confusing than helpful. To be fair I think his critics hate everything he is and does, so I’m unsure this has helped much. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 18:34, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
El Periódico de Catalunya, and The Feed, states Desmond is Amazing is the most famous "drag kid" in the world, [1] [2] Los Replicantes states he is the youngest professional drag queen in the world. [3] What is the best way to encyclopedically present this? Gleeanon409 ( talk) 23:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
References
For those wondering, the only other drag kid, a relatively new phenomena likely traced to the mainstream availability of RuPaul’s Drag Race, is Canada’s Lactatia who is around the same age but does not appear to be a professional dq. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 23:47, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Are there any reasons why we should not mention it?· Carn !? 14:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Rather than arguing opinions, we should be discussing something concrete. Given WP:BURDEN, those who wish to include the material, should simply list a few sources below that support it, so we can discuss it. If that doesn't resolve the situation, we can try WP:RSN, but we should start here, first. Until there's some consensus, WP:BLP says to err on the side of caution, and since objections have been raised, that means to not include it for now. There's no deadline.
Corbie, this one statement is concerning: "Lack of RS sourcing doesn't change reality." In the absolute, you are, of course, correct. However, here in Wikiworld, articles don't reflect reality; they reflect reliable sources; and that goes double for biographies of living persons. Mathglot ( talk) 02:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
I translated the article into Russian and I had to do some fact check.
@ Gleeanon409: this article is not your WP:OWN. I do not consider this edits constructive.
I ask you not to make WP:EDITWAR plz · Carn !? 15:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
How did you get into drag? When I was two years old I used to take my mum’s heels, bed sheets, towels or even cardboard and put them on my body to make pretend dresses and on my head to make pretend wigs. I loved playing dress up. Sometimes my mum would be watching RuPaul’s Drag Race and I would stop playing with my toys and watch it with her. I thought the drag queens were so beautiful and amazing and I said ‘I want to do that!’. So I just kept dressing up and it’s what I like to do.
You think MOS:CITELEAD shouldn't have souces? · Carn !? 06:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Part "In June 2018 he had nearly 60,000 followers.[13] As of August 2019 he has 181,000 Instagram followers.[15][b] The New York Times estimates that as of September 2019 there are more than a hundred public drag kids in the U.S.; Desmond has the biggest following." seems too long (for this section) - better shorten it out, or just place somethere else?· Carn !? 10:58, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I think that sources strong enough to say that his mother says so.· Carn !? 11:48, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
References
Wendylou also added that Desmond has autism, his medication speeds up his metabolism (contributing to his slim appearance) and making dresses and doing drag helps Desmond manage the symptoms of autism.
thecut.com
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).So no mention of Michael Alig, love letter from Tom O’Carroll, and dancing for money at gay clubs at 3am while removing articles of clothing? I thought Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emlodik ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
As per recent AfD, the main issue with this subject is that a "ten year old with an Instagram account" is not a valid WP topic.
Issues to be addressed to ensure content is up to standard:
I.am.a.qwerty ( talk) 06:16, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
Update: Removed 2 youtube links that were used as sources. Some WP:Undue phrases and peacock terms removed. Ordered page content by relevance. Merged bio and performance sections but made awards new section.
At this stage, the sources dont indicate any real activism other than the creation of his instagram "drag club" page. The subject should be treated as a child performer with only a few performances and accomplishments BUT with a significant amount of press coverage. I.am.a.qwerty ( talk) 06:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
How do I request removal of page. I am his legal guardian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upsetterfc ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
He is a paid drag performer, not working for tips. Huge difference. Also left off is that tipping by throwing money on stage is a common method of showing appreciation for a drag performance. Plus there are no factually correct nor neutral POV articles cited.
I will request removal via arbitration if Controversy section is added again. It is libelous, factually incorrect, uses biased sourcing and cites a Youtube video using sources without copyright permission. Upsetterfc ( talk) 02:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Inclusion of westernjournal.com as a legitimate source will be disputed. They are a propaganda site not using factually correct reporting. Upsetterfc ( talk) 02:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Here's a couple of possibly useful sources, something from cnbc [1] and a The Christian Post opinionpiece by a Michael L. Brown [2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
There are no legitimate sources regarding his performances. All sources are anti-LGBT or political propaganda. We have not responded to any of the current articles, so no source exists with a neutral POV. Any source citing drug use is either using an edited fake video (ketamine) or just innuendo (Alig). The only sources reporting this are either anti-LGBT or political propaganda. No legitimate news source will pick up any of these stories due to the lack of credible sources and facts. Upsetterfc ( talk) 14:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Content issues tagged on page for post-AfD cleanup have been resolved. Original peacock terms and other fansite pov wording removed. Emphasis on performances and the minor community award have been reduced. Additional sources including an academic paper have been added. I.am.a.qwerty ( talk) 04:15, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi @ Gleeanon409: Your putting what called bare url, a whole bunch of them, which provide the barest amount of information about a reference and are prone to link rot. The article quality is already fairly high and I would like you to maintain that quality but putting full size references in. Please look at WP:REFB. Thanks. scope_creep Talk 10:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
That is about the most densest reason for obliterating a lot of good hard work. Just because a bare reference is not ideal you wiped out good referenced content and references. I have to slowly cut and paste everything I do, and your little action there just wiped out even more referenced content that I was trying to save. Such a shame. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 10:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Refill worked once but the second time it seemed to screw things up? Not sure how to fix it? Gleeanon409 ( talk) 13:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
"El Periódico de Catalunya states he is the most famous "drag kid" in the world,[10] Los Replicantes states he is the youngest professional drag queen in the world.[11]" This is not a summary of anthing in the article, needs to be moved per WP:LEAD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:53, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Desmond Napoles → Desmond is Amazing – Desmond is Amazing is this professional performer’s stage name known internationally. He is likely the world’s most famous drag kid, as well as the world’s youngest professional drag queen. I think WP:STAGENAME is most appropriate. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 04:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
There is little doubt that Desmond is best known by his stage name Desmond is Amazing, the vast majority of reliable sources refer to him as such. He uses Desmond is Amazing professionally when he’s performing, on his social media, and for his many public appearances. An example of what I mean would be Lady Gaga, not Stefani Germanotta.
I think his stage name should be preferred throughout the article after the introduction, using ‘Desmond’ instead of ‘Napoles’. And I think the article title should reflect his stage name. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 23:08, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Desmond should be added to that category. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 12:28, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Regarding subsequent references to the subject of the article, it's a somewhat tricky case. The guideline says:
People who are best known by a pseudonym should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (e.g. Sting, Snoop Dogg, the Edge), in which case the whole pseudonym is used.
The tricky part in interpreting the guideline, is that his stage name includes his real first name, with no surname—pseudonymous or otherwise. Since he doesn't have a pseudonymous surname, one choice here would be to use the pseudonym "Desmond Is Amazing" in its entirety, every time; but that would be awkward.
The approach taken so far appears to be to abbreviate the pseudonym down to just "Desmond"; but that gets into the tricky part, because that matches his first name, which conflicts with another part of the guideline which clearly forbids that: Generally speaking, subjects should not otherwise be referred to by their given name. The use of the given name gives the impression that the writer knows the subject personally, which is not relevant—even if true.
The default case at the top of the guideline offers this: After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only.
There doesn't seem to be a slam-dunk solution here, but it seems to me since Napoles is still a minor and not in a position to legally choose his own name, and that using the full pseudonym every time is awkward, opting for clarity for the reader argues for using just his surname as the best option that meets all the recommendations within the guideline. Mathglot ( talk) 23:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
So, it doesn't depend entirely on what reliable sources do, since we have our own style manual that covers romanization, capitalization, hypenation, italicization, and use of names. When it's about verifiable fact—where he was born, when he started performing—yes, of course; we follow the majority of reliable sources. When it's not about fact, but about style, we follow MOS:; and in this case, what we should be following, in my opinion, is WP:SURNAME, just like withFox Film songwriter Jay Gorney was walking out of the viewing of Temple's last Frolics of Youth picture when he saw her dancing in the movie theater lobby. Recognizing her from the screen, he arranged for her to have a screen test for the movie Stand Up and Cheer! Temple arrived for the audition on December 7, 1933; she won the part and was signed to a $150-per-week contract that was guaranteed for two weeks by Fox Film Corporation. The role was a breakthrough performance for Temple.
The majority of sources refer to him as ‘Desmond is Amazing’ then shorten it to Desmond.
Hi @ Gleeanon409: Solid work on the article, but it now says Desmond Is Amazing in the lede, which gives a false impression and is against consensus. Last months RFC stated no consensus to rename the article, but throwing that onto the lede is much the same. The lede is now also too big and it is bit promotional as well. I think the lede needs a copyedit, scope_creep Talk 23:31, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
I plan to do a copyedit. The lede has exploded with a lot of extraneous detail and the body in bits needs work. scope_creep Talk 00:48, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
After seeing the exoansion of this article over the past 6 months, I've switched the performances section title to "notable performances" and the bullet list to paragraph style, as not every performance should/needs to be listed (we have gone from challenging notability to over-coverage of every appearance). I.am.a.qwerty ( talk) 05:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I have heard rumors of child abuse/exploitation regarding this kid and CPS has been called multiple times on this family. It could just be a way to make him seem more famous than he actually is.-- LadyData ( talk) 19:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Radiohist: Could you offer some feedback on your concerns for tagging the whole section? How should it improve? Gleeanon409 ( talk) 07:43, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
In my view the section about criticism currently seems more like a section devoted to elaborating that criticism is neither necessary nor welcome. Therefore I support the banner that its neutrality is disputed. I understand that this is a delicate subject and if I mention criticism then criticism of a reasonable kind is meant. I understand that there is some influence but the claim that if anything here would be seen as unusual it would be because institutions and parents are suppressing all other children seems so generalised and convenient that it borders on being a conspiracy theory. That they would expose themself to the spotlight as a minor, possibly underestimating the commercialisation, not to say exploitation that it may entail, consuming even supposedly strong adults, to me at least it seems suspect.
lmaxmai 19 July 2019 (UTC)
I know I haven't been involved in this discussion up until now, but I just found some sources that support the story of Desmond being with Michael Alig:
1. https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/desmond-napoles-gender-identity-ideology/ 2. https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-exploitation-of-drag-kid-desmond-is-amazing/ 3. https://spectator.us/desmond-amazing-child-drag-queens/
Whether they're too subjective to cite for this article or not is something that needs to be discussed, but the fact that that story's been so widely mentioned across this variety of different sites is reason enough to try to include it in the article one way or another. Neateditor123 ( talk) 17:48, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Nblund:Thing is, I'm not actually suggesting we add it. Just comparing it to some of the other gushy "sources" that are currently being used that have a similar lack of neutrality. Nblund, you do realize that this child's official instagram account, run by the mother, to which we are referring and you are calling a possible BLP violation for simply discussing it on talk, is currently being used as a source in this article? Go look. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 18:21, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
( edit conflict) Edits to the criticism section so far today look like it's moving in a better, more neutral direction. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 18:38, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
I’m missing the concept for this section. Maybe the title is unintentionally misleading?
His entire career is Desmond is Amazing, which is his public persona.
This seems more confusing than helpful. To be fair I think his critics hate everything he is and does, so I’m unsure this has helped much. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 18:34, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
El Periódico de Catalunya, and The Feed, states Desmond is Amazing is the most famous "drag kid" in the world, [1] [2] Los Replicantes states he is the youngest professional drag queen in the world. [3] What is the best way to encyclopedically present this? Gleeanon409 ( talk) 23:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
References
For those wondering, the only other drag kid, a relatively new phenomena likely traced to the mainstream availability of RuPaul’s Drag Race, is Canada’s Lactatia who is around the same age but does not appear to be a professional dq. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 23:47, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Are there any reasons why we should not mention it?· Carn !? 14:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Rather than arguing opinions, we should be discussing something concrete. Given WP:BURDEN, those who wish to include the material, should simply list a few sources below that support it, so we can discuss it. If that doesn't resolve the situation, we can try WP:RSN, but we should start here, first. Until there's some consensus, WP:BLP says to err on the side of caution, and since objections have been raised, that means to not include it for now. There's no deadline.
Corbie, this one statement is concerning: "Lack of RS sourcing doesn't change reality." In the absolute, you are, of course, correct. However, here in Wikiworld, articles don't reflect reality; they reflect reliable sources; and that goes double for biographies of living persons. Mathglot ( talk) 02:25, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
I translated the article into Russian and I had to do some fact check.
@ Gleeanon409: this article is not your WP:OWN. I do not consider this edits constructive.
I ask you not to make WP:EDITWAR plz · Carn !? 15:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
How did you get into drag? When I was two years old I used to take my mum’s heels, bed sheets, towels or even cardboard and put them on my body to make pretend dresses and on my head to make pretend wigs. I loved playing dress up. Sometimes my mum would be watching RuPaul’s Drag Race and I would stop playing with my toys and watch it with her. I thought the drag queens were so beautiful and amazing and I said ‘I want to do that!’. So I just kept dressing up and it’s what I like to do.
You think MOS:CITELEAD shouldn't have souces? · Carn !? 06:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Part "In June 2018 he had nearly 60,000 followers.[13] As of August 2019 he has 181,000 Instagram followers.[15][b] The New York Times estimates that as of September 2019 there are more than a hundred public drag kids in the U.S.; Desmond has the biggest following." seems too long (for this section) - better shorten it out, or just place somethere else?· Carn !? 10:58, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I think that sources strong enough to say that his mother says so.· Carn !? 11:48, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
References
Wendylou also added that Desmond has autism, his medication speeds up his metabolism (contributing to his slim appearance) and making dresses and doing drag helps Desmond manage the symptoms of autism.
thecut.com
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).So no mention of Michael Alig, love letter from Tom O’Carroll, and dancing for money at gay clubs at 3am while removing articles of clothing? I thought Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emlodik ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 15 November 2019 (UTC)