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As I got into the process of creating this article I began to wonder whether there is a reason why no one else has written about this subject before. It seems so loaded and destined to provoke POV responses from Arabs, Muslims, Israelis, Jews, Christians, Worldwide Church of God and all of its many breakaway factions, Australians and who knows who else? It is almost as conspiratorial as a biographical entry for Lee Harvey Oswald in trying to address the question of why he shot President Kennedy ... assuming that he did shoot President Kennedy. So if you are reading these words please understand that in putting together the article that I am not trying to take any side but to report upon an incident which in turn has led to many continuing acts of killing and destruction which have been performed in the name of this one initial act of arson. I also need to point out that in 1968 when this event took place, the Worldwide Church of God was not accepted as a mainstream Christian religion but as a cult which had emerged by blending together various beliefs from different religions and all of that was glued together by a very specific chain of prophecy distributed via a multi-million dollar publishing and broadcasting empire. MPLX/MH 19:11, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I'm considering writing a brief Arabic article. Most English sources that mention his ethnicity say he's not Jewish, while most Arabic ones that do say he is. The former seems far more plausible, considering, but does anyone know an article that provides an unarguable source on his ethnicity? - Mustafaa 23:57, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Just read the opening paragraph, holy otters noses, talk about biased POV. Any more whitewashed and agenda pushing and I'd have thought it was a leaked government election advertisement due to the BS factor alone. This man is also a notable Jewish-Australian, he had no action with the church mentioned, so why is the church mentioned? Clarification is really needed, it's all just too POV defending some church. Jachin 12:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The reference to Rohan being an "evangelical Christian" is also incorrect. Armstrong was not "evangelical Christian" any more than say the Mormons are. The article reflects the chaos of the Middle East and the irrationality of all of the various beliefs in play there. But the irrationality of it all is a self evident fact in the current wars that are ongoing there and it is impossible to solve that violence by siding with any religious view - they are all crazy.
I am wondering why this article is at Michael Dennis Rohan rather than, say 1969 al-Aqsa mosque arson Only two or three sentences of quite a long article describe Rohan; the rest is about the arson and the international response to it. jnestorius( talk) 22:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has a web feature on Mr Rohan with some interesting material. One of the things that can be seen there is an Australian identity document. His name written there is "Denis Michael ROHAN" - note the order of the words and the number of "n"s in "Denis". This type of document is not so solid proof of name as a passport, but anyway I wonder if the name of our article is actually wrong. Zero talk 07:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, poking around in declassified Australian achives reveals a scan of his passport. It reads "Denis Michael Rohan" and that's about as official as it gets. I'll rename the page. (Btw, Denis Michael Rohan is also how he was charged in the Jerusalem court. Otoh, there is an ASIO memo in the archives calling him 'Michael Dennis William Rohan".) Zero talk 08:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Btw, the audio interviews on the ABC site make clear his popular name was "Denis", not "Michael". Zero talk 09:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
At present the article tells us about Rohan's motives, followed by some reactions to his attempt. A section telling us what actually happenned on August 21 1969 is missing. ליאור ( talk) 20:09, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, I can't seem to find any info on his subsequent life post-deportation. Any leads? 58.168.19.226 ( talk) 17:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
The Dome of the Rock is the central shrine on the Temple Mount. The Al Aksa is the mosque at the southern wall. Which is it? My understanding is that he set a fire in the Dome of the Rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.28.5 ( talk) 15:42, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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Rohan was eventually sent back to Australia where he spent the rest of his life in a mental hospital and died under psychiatric care.
Based on this I edited the article on 10 May 2011 with the sentence "In 1995, he was reported to have died under psychiatric care."
On 31 Dec 2011 here this was incorrectly modified to a death date of 1995. I don't really watch the page, but I didn't fix it as the text had the original sentence in it. But over time that was edited out too.
However, since then https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/apocalypse-now:-the-political-legacy-of-denis-michael-rohan%E2%80%99s/11434960 stated reports of his death were an exaggeration.
In 2009 my colleague Anna Whitfeld and I produced a Background Briefing about Rohan.
We discovered from his family that Rohan wasn't dead and lived somewhere in Australia.
Still it was a shock a few years later to get a call out of the blue from Rohan as I sat at my desk at Background Briefing. Why did Rohan want to chat with me?
At that time there were regular media reports about demonstrations surrounding the mosque.
"Things will hot up," he told me. And he was right about that.
The Temple will be built, he said, bringing on the Apocalypse and the return of Christ.
I tried to keep Rohan on the phone, but he hung up.
Rohan died a few years later, still largely forgotten in Australia, but not in the Muslim world.
So the date of death (from ynetnews, an article by Yaron Druckman, 23 August 2015) (user Nedrutland, 21 Aug 2019) of 6 Oct 1995 has actually come from the date of the original SMH article from Wikipedia (Fairfax Store had it as 6th October 1995). It is wrong. Circular sourcing. Somewhere the Ross Dunn article date has been misunderstood as his death date. But his death date is unknown - just some year between 2009 and 2019.
Please: remove date of death change date of death to "unknown" - or if possible, "unknown, 2009-2019". Cancerward ( talk) 10:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Multiple sources in 2009 and 2019 (Australian Broadcasting Corporation journalist) said he was still alive in 2009, so the date of death 1995 should be removed. The 1995 references trace back to the Ross Dunn article of 1995, through Wikipedia. ynetnews should not be considered a reliable source for the date of death of someone living in Australia - but the point is moot anyway - the ABC journalist verified via family and church that he was living in 2009, spoke to him on the phone, and he died after that.
2009: https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/rohan-and-the-road-to-the-apocalypse/3070866 But as far as Background Briefing can establish, Rohan is still living in Australia, although he's had no recent contact with family members.
Rohan maintained his association with the World Wide Church of God, and Background Briefing was informed by the local Sydney church that he came to visit about four years ago. Cancerward ( talk) 23:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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He's quite dead - and I'm quite confused as to why this page keeps getting munged. Not enough people watching. Cancerward ( talk) 09:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
answered=yes". — Sirdog ( talk) 04:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
I've tried to change the article name to the 1969 "burning of Al Aqsa mosque" , but it says the article is protected from vandalism"!! I wonder why there is an insistence from the article writer and wikipedia to not change it ?! It doesn't take a rocket science to realize that this is a pro Israel article title to divert people attention away from that tragic accident ; to not let as many people as they could from finding this article on wikipedia. This is a shameful act ; to suppress people rights to learn about historical events. This must be corrected immediately Alw88 ( talk) 11:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Second to last sentence of second paragraph reads: "Some sources claimed that he had died in 1995, but a 2009 investigation by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) found that was still alive."
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As I got into the process of creating this article I began to wonder whether there is a reason why no one else has written about this subject before. It seems so loaded and destined to provoke POV responses from Arabs, Muslims, Israelis, Jews, Christians, Worldwide Church of God and all of its many breakaway factions, Australians and who knows who else? It is almost as conspiratorial as a biographical entry for Lee Harvey Oswald in trying to address the question of why he shot President Kennedy ... assuming that he did shoot President Kennedy. So if you are reading these words please understand that in putting together the article that I am not trying to take any side but to report upon an incident which in turn has led to many continuing acts of killing and destruction which have been performed in the name of this one initial act of arson. I also need to point out that in 1968 when this event took place, the Worldwide Church of God was not accepted as a mainstream Christian religion but as a cult which had emerged by blending together various beliefs from different religions and all of that was glued together by a very specific chain of prophecy distributed via a multi-million dollar publishing and broadcasting empire. MPLX/MH 19:11, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I'm considering writing a brief Arabic article. Most English sources that mention his ethnicity say he's not Jewish, while most Arabic ones that do say he is. The former seems far more plausible, considering, but does anyone know an article that provides an unarguable source on his ethnicity? - Mustafaa 23:57, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Just read the opening paragraph, holy otters noses, talk about biased POV. Any more whitewashed and agenda pushing and I'd have thought it was a leaked government election advertisement due to the BS factor alone. This man is also a notable Jewish-Australian, he had no action with the church mentioned, so why is the church mentioned? Clarification is really needed, it's all just too POV defending some church. Jachin 12:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
The reference to Rohan being an "evangelical Christian" is also incorrect. Armstrong was not "evangelical Christian" any more than say the Mormons are. The article reflects the chaos of the Middle East and the irrationality of all of the various beliefs in play there. But the irrationality of it all is a self evident fact in the current wars that are ongoing there and it is impossible to solve that violence by siding with any religious view - they are all crazy.
I am wondering why this article is at Michael Dennis Rohan rather than, say 1969 al-Aqsa mosque arson Only two or three sentences of quite a long article describe Rohan; the rest is about the arson and the international response to it. jnestorius( talk) 22:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation has a web feature on Mr Rohan with some interesting material. One of the things that can be seen there is an Australian identity document. His name written there is "Denis Michael ROHAN" - note the order of the words and the number of "n"s in "Denis". This type of document is not so solid proof of name as a passport, but anyway I wonder if the name of our article is actually wrong. Zero talk 07:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, poking around in declassified Australian achives reveals a scan of his passport. It reads "Denis Michael Rohan" and that's about as official as it gets. I'll rename the page. (Btw, Denis Michael Rohan is also how he was charged in the Jerusalem court. Otoh, there is an ASIO memo in the archives calling him 'Michael Dennis William Rohan".) Zero talk 08:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Btw, the audio interviews on the ABC site make clear his popular name was "Denis", not "Michael". Zero talk 09:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
At present the article tells us about Rohan's motives, followed by some reactions to his attempt. A section telling us what actually happenned on August 21 1969 is missing. ליאור ( talk) 20:09, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, I can't seem to find any info on his subsequent life post-deportation. Any leads? 58.168.19.226 ( talk) 17:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
The Dome of the Rock is the central shrine on the Temple Mount. The Al Aksa is the mosque at the southern wall. Which is it? My understanding is that he set a fire in the Dome of the Rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.28.5 ( talk) 15:42, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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HOLY SPIRITS
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Sydney Morning Herald
SMHH
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Rohan was eventually sent back to Australia where he spent the rest of his life in a mental hospital and died under psychiatric care.
Based on this I edited the article on 10 May 2011 with the sentence "In 1995, he was reported to have died under psychiatric care."
On 31 Dec 2011 here this was incorrectly modified to a death date of 1995. I don't really watch the page, but I didn't fix it as the text had the original sentence in it. But over time that was edited out too.
However, since then https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/apocalypse-now:-the-political-legacy-of-denis-michael-rohan%E2%80%99s/11434960 stated reports of his death were an exaggeration.
In 2009 my colleague Anna Whitfeld and I produced a Background Briefing about Rohan.
We discovered from his family that Rohan wasn't dead and lived somewhere in Australia.
Still it was a shock a few years later to get a call out of the blue from Rohan as I sat at my desk at Background Briefing. Why did Rohan want to chat with me?
At that time there were regular media reports about demonstrations surrounding the mosque.
"Things will hot up," he told me. And he was right about that.
The Temple will be built, he said, bringing on the Apocalypse and the return of Christ.
I tried to keep Rohan on the phone, but he hung up.
Rohan died a few years later, still largely forgotten in Australia, but not in the Muslim world.
So the date of death (from ynetnews, an article by Yaron Druckman, 23 August 2015) (user Nedrutland, 21 Aug 2019) of 6 Oct 1995 has actually come from the date of the original SMH article from Wikipedia (Fairfax Store had it as 6th October 1995). It is wrong. Circular sourcing. Somewhere the Ross Dunn article date has been misunderstood as his death date. But his death date is unknown - just some year between 2009 and 2019.
Please: remove date of death change date of death to "unknown" - or if possible, "unknown, 2009-2019". Cancerward ( talk) 10:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Multiple sources in 2009 and 2019 (Australian Broadcasting Corporation journalist) said he was still alive in 2009, so the date of death 1995 should be removed. The 1995 references trace back to the Ross Dunn article of 1995, through Wikipedia. ynetnews should not be considered a reliable source for the date of death of someone living in Australia - but the point is moot anyway - the ABC journalist verified via family and church that he was living in 2009, spoke to him on the phone, and he died after that.
2009: https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/rohan-and-the-road-to-the-apocalypse/3070866 But as far as Background Briefing can establish, Rohan is still living in Australia, although he's had no recent contact with family members.
Rohan maintained his association with the World Wide Church of God, and Background Briefing was informed by the local Sydney church that he came to visit about four years ago. Cancerward ( talk) 23:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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template. We appear to have a conflict among multiple sources. We have to go with what the sources say. Please propose phrasing that balances the sources that we have. The version in the article at present possibly overweights the "1995" sources and could present a more balanced view. What words do you propose? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 04:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
He's quite dead - and I'm quite confused as to why this page keeps getting munged. Not enough people watching. Cancerward ( talk) 09:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
answered=yes". — Sirdog ( talk) 04:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
I've tried to change the article name to the 1969 "burning of Al Aqsa mosque" , but it says the article is protected from vandalism"!! I wonder why there is an insistence from the article writer and wikipedia to not change it ?! It doesn't take a rocket science to realize that this is a pro Israel article title to divert people attention away from that tragic accident ; to not let as many people as they could from finding this article on wikipedia. This is a shameful act ; to suppress people rights to learn about historical events. This must be corrected immediately Alw88 ( talk) 11:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Second to last sentence of second paragraph reads: "Some sources claimed that he had died in 1995, but a 2009 investigation by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) found that was still alive."
Someone with permission should fix. Callum Cuda ( talk) 06:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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Denis Michael Rohan was an Evanalangical Fundamentalist Christian Terrorist who attacked The Muslim Masjid Al-Aqsa. 108.28.9.131 ( talk) 17:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)