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The "Key actors" section as a whole should be removed as POV, since examples of democracy promotion cannot possibly be provided without first asserting a paradigm of usage for the term 'democracy'. For example, I would dispute the claim that USAID, which (for example) distributed supplies primarily to affluent areas of Haiti after the 2010 earthquake while working with the US military to ensure that the poor did not become a threat to that system, was concerned with promoting democracy. 82.23.135.169 ( talk) 01:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
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This article already mentions this term as a synonym, so I think this stub could be safely merged here. Thoughts? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
hi Coffeebreak12. You argue that democracy support should be distinguished from democracy promotion, in that democracy support is more about supporting grassroots, bottom-up democracy in other countries, while democracy promotion is more (neo)-colonial, to put it bluntly.
So I don't see how your references support your claim that there's a significant difference in usage.
On the other hand, your point seems to be about how EPD describes itself, and we currently have the lead saying that this is how EPD describes itself, not how EPD is. Moreover, as you say, several different terms seem to be used fairly interchangeably, without clear conventions in distinguishing them, so it can't hurt to put a pipe to EPD's preferred term. Boud ( talk) 00:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi Boud, thank you for the interesting discussion. It's an interesting field that EPD is contributing to as a think-and-do tank.
In one report, the distinction is made as follows:
"Democracy support: the most widespread term used to refer to efforts to reinforce or create democratic development or to halt autocratisation. These efforts may be political or financial. We use this term as the main overarching term for EU action.
Democracy assistance: this can sometimes be mixed up with ‘democracy support’ but we use this term in order to refer to financial flows. This follows in the spirit of ‘international assistance’ as a linguistic proxy for financial aid.
Democracy promotion: the term is often used by academics to refer to the stimulation of democracy abroad by states. It has a more active and often coercive connotation compared to ‘democracy support’. Support is something given to existing internal efforts for democratisation while promotion does not require any such internal (national) desire. We use this term to highlight more coercive types of democracy support (e.g. at the most extreme this would be military intervention)." [2].
Maybe we could include these distinctions in the "definition" part, quoting EPD as the institution that proposes the distinction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coffeebreak12 ( talk • contribs) 09:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
By the way, the term Democracy support is also used by the EU in policy documents such as the EU Action Plan on Human Rights and Democracy 2020-2024 [3].
Coffeebreak12 December 1, 2021, 10:22 CET
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Hi all, hi Boud. Following our exchange, I propose to add the following paragraphs below the exisiting ones within the section 'Definition'. Feel welcome to revise the wording and content before including it in the article.
In its 2019 Review of European Democracy Support, the European Partnership for Democracy makes the distinction between democracy promotion, support and assistance as follows:
There are many different types of democracy support as well as many states and actors supporting democracy in a myriad of ways. A linguistic classification of terms that are widely used, and sometimes used interchangeably, is essential for understanding some of the nuances in thinking and action.
Democracy support: the most widespread term used to refer to efforts to reinforce or create democratic development or to halt autocratisation. These efforts may be political or financial. We use this term as the main overarching term for EU action.
Democracy assistance: this can sometimes be mixed up with ‘democracy support’ but we use this term in order to refer to financial flows. This follows in the spirit of ‘international assistance’ as a linguistic proxy for financial aid.
Democracy promotion: the term is often used by academics to refer to the stimulation of democracy abroad by states. It has a more active and often coercive connotation compared to ‘democracy support’. Support is something given to existing internal efforts for democratisation while promotion does not require any such internal (national) desire. We use this term to highlight more coercive types of democracy support (e.g. at the most extreme this would be military intervention).
In a general sense, democracy support aims to improve democracy through strengthening democratic institutions – such as parliaments, political parties or civil society - and to strengthen democratic values such as accountability, participation and transparency.
European Partnership for Democracy, Louder than words? Connecting the dots of European democracy support, 2019, pages 19-20
Another definition of democracy support can be drawn through the OECD Development Assistance Committee's aid flow database. The classification makes the distinction between different types of aid flows relevant for democracy assistance, such as democratic participation and civil society, elections, legislatures and political parties, media and free flow of information, human rights, women's rights organisations and movement and goverment, decentralisation and support to subnational government institutions, and anti-corruption organisations and institutions [1].
The type and objectives of democracy assistance aid delivered by international donors depend on the history of their own country with democracy, and may explain the diversity of democracy promotion contexts. If historically Western countries championed democracy promotion worldwide, new non-Western actors have emerged in the last decades with particular goals and geographical reaches, participating in the construction of a broad definition of democracy promotion worlwide [2].
Coffeebreak12 15:01, 2 December 2021 (CET)
By the way, if you re-read the instructions at {{ reflist-talk}}, and if you look at the mediawiki source of this page, you'll notice that just one usage of {{reflist-talk}} at the end of the section is needed; you don't include it with individual references. For this section, I've fixed this up, so you don't need to fix it. :) Boud ( talk) 15:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello Boud, thanks for your guidance once again. I agree with you, it would be better to summarise the quote into a sentence or two. Here's an attempt of re-writing the first paragraph:
The European Partnership for Democracy defines 'democracy support' as the political or financial "efforts to reinforce or create democratic development or to halt autocratisation", while 'democracy assistance' refers to financial flows "in the spirit of ‘international assistance". EPD further acknowledges that 'democracy promotion' is the term widespreadly used by academics but has a more active and often coercive connotation compared to ‘democracy support’. Support is something given to existing internal efforts for democratisation while promotion does not require any such internal (national) desire. [3]"
Looking forwards to keep working with you on this theme! Coffeebreak12 10:40, 6 December 2021 (CET)
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The Role of External Support in Nonviolent Campaigns – Poisoned Chalice or Holy Grail? by Erica Chenoweth and Maria J. Stephan has some useful research results that would be good to integrate into this article. Some "democracy support" is useful, some is detrimental, per the research presented in this paper. What's good is that types of the "support" are clearly defined - it's not just the vague word "support" without explaining what is meant explicitly. Boud ( talk) 21:43, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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The "Key actors" section as a whole should be removed as POV, since examples of democracy promotion cannot possibly be provided without first asserting a paradigm of usage for the term 'democracy'. For example, I would dispute the claim that USAID, which (for example) distributed supplies primarily to affluent areas of Haiti after the 2010 earthquake while working with the US military to ensure that the poor did not become a threat to that system, was concerned with promoting democracy. 82.23.135.169 ( talk) 01:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
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This article already mentions this term as a synonym, so I think this stub could be safely merged here. Thoughts? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
hi Coffeebreak12. You argue that democracy support should be distinguished from democracy promotion, in that democracy support is more about supporting grassroots, bottom-up democracy in other countries, while democracy promotion is more (neo)-colonial, to put it bluntly.
So I don't see how your references support your claim that there's a significant difference in usage.
On the other hand, your point seems to be about how EPD describes itself, and we currently have the lead saying that this is how EPD describes itself, not how EPD is. Moreover, as you say, several different terms seem to be used fairly interchangeably, without clear conventions in distinguishing them, so it can't hurt to put a pipe to EPD's preferred term. Boud ( talk) 00:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi Boud, thank you for the interesting discussion. It's an interesting field that EPD is contributing to as a think-and-do tank.
In one report, the distinction is made as follows:
"Democracy support: the most widespread term used to refer to efforts to reinforce or create democratic development or to halt autocratisation. These efforts may be political or financial. We use this term as the main overarching term for EU action.
Democracy assistance: this can sometimes be mixed up with ‘democracy support’ but we use this term in order to refer to financial flows. This follows in the spirit of ‘international assistance’ as a linguistic proxy for financial aid.
Democracy promotion: the term is often used by academics to refer to the stimulation of democracy abroad by states. It has a more active and often coercive connotation compared to ‘democracy support’. Support is something given to existing internal efforts for democratisation while promotion does not require any such internal (national) desire. We use this term to highlight more coercive types of democracy support (e.g. at the most extreme this would be military intervention)." [2].
Maybe we could include these distinctions in the "definition" part, quoting EPD as the institution that proposes the distinction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coffeebreak12 ( talk • contribs) 09:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
By the way, the term Democracy support is also used by the EU in policy documents such as the EU Action Plan on Human Rights and Democracy 2020-2024 [3].
Coffeebreak12 December 1, 2021, 10:22 CET
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Hi all, hi Boud. Following our exchange, I propose to add the following paragraphs below the exisiting ones within the section 'Definition'. Feel welcome to revise the wording and content before including it in the article.
In its 2019 Review of European Democracy Support, the European Partnership for Democracy makes the distinction between democracy promotion, support and assistance as follows:
There are many different types of democracy support as well as many states and actors supporting democracy in a myriad of ways. A linguistic classification of terms that are widely used, and sometimes used interchangeably, is essential for understanding some of the nuances in thinking and action.
Democracy support: the most widespread term used to refer to efforts to reinforce or create democratic development or to halt autocratisation. These efforts may be political or financial. We use this term as the main overarching term for EU action.
Democracy assistance: this can sometimes be mixed up with ‘democracy support’ but we use this term in order to refer to financial flows. This follows in the spirit of ‘international assistance’ as a linguistic proxy for financial aid.
Democracy promotion: the term is often used by academics to refer to the stimulation of democracy abroad by states. It has a more active and often coercive connotation compared to ‘democracy support’. Support is something given to existing internal efforts for democratisation while promotion does not require any such internal (national) desire. We use this term to highlight more coercive types of democracy support (e.g. at the most extreme this would be military intervention).
In a general sense, democracy support aims to improve democracy through strengthening democratic institutions – such as parliaments, political parties or civil society - and to strengthen democratic values such as accountability, participation and transparency.
European Partnership for Democracy, Louder than words? Connecting the dots of European democracy support, 2019, pages 19-20
Another definition of democracy support can be drawn through the OECD Development Assistance Committee's aid flow database. The classification makes the distinction between different types of aid flows relevant for democracy assistance, such as democratic participation and civil society, elections, legislatures and political parties, media and free flow of information, human rights, women's rights organisations and movement and goverment, decentralisation and support to subnational government institutions, and anti-corruption organisations and institutions [1].
The type and objectives of democracy assistance aid delivered by international donors depend on the history of their own country with democracy, and may explain the diversity of democracy promotion contexts. If historically Western countries championed democracy promotion worldwide, new non-Western actors have emerged in the last decades with particular goals and geographical reaches, participating in the construction of a broad definition of democracy promotion worlwide [2].
Coffeebreak12 15:01, 2 December 2021 (CET)
By the way, if you re-read the instructions at {{ reflist-talk}}, and if you look at the mediawiki source of this page, you'll notice that just one usage of {{reflist-talk}} at the end of the section is needed; you don't include it with individual references. For this section, I've fixed this up, so you don't need to fix it. :) Boud ( talk) 15:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello Boud, thanks for your guidance once again. I agree with you, it would be better to summarise the quote into a sentence or two. Here's an attempt of re-writing the first paragraph:
The European Partnership for Democracy defines 'democracy support' as the political or financial "efforts to reinforce or create democratic development or to halt autocratisation", while 'democracy assistance' refers to financial flows "in the spirit of ‘international assistance". EPD further acknowledges that 'democracy promotion' is the term widespreadly used by academics but has a more active and often coercive connotation compared to ‘democracy support’. Support is something given to existing internal efforts for democratisation while promotion does not require any such internal (national) desire. [3]"
Looking forwards to keep working with you on this theme! Coffeebreak12 10:40, 6 December 2021 (CET)
References
The Role of External Support in Nonviolent Campaigns – Poisoned Chalice or Holy Grail? by Erica Chenoweth and Maria J. Stephan has some useful research results that would be good to integrate into this article. Some "democracy support" is useful, some is detrimental, per the research presented in this paper. What's good is that types of the "support" are clearly defined - it's not just the vague word "support" without explaining what is meant explicitly. Boud ( talk) 21:43, 31 October 2022 (UTC)