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This is user generated content multiple RSN say it is not reliable. -- Green C 13:05, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
The mystery of the ID of the DM-Man appears to be solved. There is one source still raising questions, but they not asserting Jack is not DM-Man. Nor did they do any investigations or interviews with the band or anything so this source looks like cheap journalism filler. Unless we get some actual investigations into Jack. Everything about Jack fits - he looks like him, sounds like him, re-enacts like him, is the aprox right age, has a criminal background, etc.. the fact no one can produce an arrest record probably doesn't mean much given the age, and confusion caused by multiple aliases. -- Green C 15:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
There is some question. I dropped a note with sources. WP:Verifiability not WP:Truth. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 15:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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Created by 7&6=thirteen ( talk), GreenC ( talk), Dream Focus ( talk), Lightburst ( talk), Talsta ( talk), and SpicyMilkBoy ( talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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Overall: Prefer main hook. Honestly, the article is so much more interesting, but I can't think of a better, just writing it's a viral video may be the best. GRuban ( talk) 15:05, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Text and references copied from Democracy Manifest video to Gose. See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:54, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
There is some confusion regarding multiple versions of the video. There is a video released in 2009 which is the "viral video". It can be seen here: [2] Note the 1.8 million views and release date of 2009, this has been what people have looked at since 2009.
Now compare with this video starting at 1:05. Notice it is not the same video as the viral video, it contains a voice-over. This video was not released until 2020. I don't know how to "source" this other than simply by looking at the videos. -- Green C 16:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
This section is for discussing the quote about the Australia meme. [3] It's unclear what the problem is. The opinionated quote makes clear how notable the meme is. One does not need to agree with the quote, it is a quote people say things, it was reported in a reliable source and reported here. -- Green C 15:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the use of the tone tag over usage of words like "boisterously", "incredulously" to describe the events of the video. First off the MOS is a guideline and is not meant to be treated as a blindly applied rule, context and specifics matter. The description of the video accurately and quickly captures the tone of the events of the video. Removing these descriptions would turn it into a banal and difficult to read literal description eg: "the man was arrested. The man was put into a car. The man was taken away." It would lobotomize the text, and maybe the reader. Wikipedia is not meant for 5th graders, it is possible to use big words to accurately describe a video that is by its nature dramatic. "The man booms in the controlled voice of a classic stage actor" is a concise and accurate description of what happens in the video - if not how else would you frame it without losing content and context while keeping it readable? In fact one of the sources even says something similar "As a crowd of police bundle the man into a waiting car, he declaims, in a stage-voice that would put Olivier to shame" [4] He has a deep baritone voice and it sounds like he is acting to an audience by projecting his voice to all around who will hear (which it turns out he was acting to appear like a crazy man). -- Green C 16:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Removing these descriptions would turn it into a banal and difficult to read literal description
In this diff, which description of the video do you prefer: the longer [left side] or shorter [right side]? -- Green C 22:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Video (1 minute).
To have clearer consensus results, suggest voting for one or the other, then make any wording adjustments post-RfC. -- Green C 22:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't know what to make of this RfC other than 3 long and 3 short is 50/50. I note that one person initially went short but after watching the video went long. It is a "plot" summary and they can be more expressionistic to get the sense across, the important thing is it an accurate description. The short version is IMO less accurate than the long as it is missing important intangible elements contained in the long that helped make the video viral (notable). -- Green C 07:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
His website appears to be dead although the site he sold T-Shirts on and his pinot is still up albeit out of final stock for the latter. has there been any new information on the guy and what happened? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.241.64 ( talk) 06:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
There's a fairly comprehensive radio documentary about this guy. From the ABC film last week. LINK
I don't have time to add anything from it myself, but I figured I'd put it here for someone else.
Irtapil ( talk) 06:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
It looks like his real name is Jack Karlson. [5] Supported by the facts: he was married in the 1970s and his wife's name was Eve Karlson; the investigative reporter Mark Dapin calls him by this name; this is the name used in court transcripts ie. legal name, see: "When I read a trial transcript of Karlson.." [6]. -- Green C 18:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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A fact from Democracy Manifest appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 3 May 2020 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
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This is user generated content multiple RSN say it is not reliable. -- Green C 13:05, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
The mystery of the ID of the DM-Man appears to be solved. There is one source still raising questions, but they not asserting Jack is not DM-Man. Nor did they do any investigations or interviews with the band or anything so this source looks like cheap journalism filler. Unless we get some actual investigations into Jack. Everything about Jack fits - he looks like him, sounds like him, re-enacts like him, is the aprox right age, has a criminal background, etc.. the fact no one can produce an arrest record probably doesn't mean much given the age, and confusion caused by multiple aliases. -- Green C 15:17, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
There is some question. I dropped a note with sources. WP:Verifiability not WP:Truth. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 15:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Cwmhiraeth (
talk) 05:32, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Created by 7&6=thirteen ( talk), GreenC ( talk), Dream Focus ( talk), Lightburst ( talk), Talsta ( talk), and SpicyMilkBoy ( talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Prefer main hook. Honestly, the article is so much more interesting, but I can't think of a better, just writing it's a viral video may be the best. GRuban ( talk) 15:05, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Text and references copied from Democracy Manifest video to Gose. See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:54, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
There is some confusion regarding multiple versions of the video. There is a video released in 2009 which is the "viral video". It can be seen here: [2] Note the 1.8 million views and release date of 2009, this has been what people have looked at since 2009.
Now compare with this video starting at 1:05. Notice it is not the same video as the viral video, it contains a voice-over. This video was not released until 2020. I don't know how to "source" this other than simply by looking at the videos. -- Green C 16:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
This section is for discussing the quote about the Australia meme. [3] It's unclear what the problem is. The opinionated quote makes clear how notable the meme is. One does not need to agree with the quote, it is a quote people say things, it was reported in a reliable source and reported here. -- Green C 15:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the use of the tone tag over usage of words like "boisterously", "incredulously" to describe the events of the video. First off the MOS is a guideline and is not meant to be treated as a blindly applied rule, context and specifics matter. The description of the video accurately and quickly captures the tone of the events of the video. Removing these descriptions would turn it into a banal and difficult to read literal description eg: "the man was arrested. The man was put into a car. The man was taken away." It would lobotomize the text, and maybe the reader. Wikipedia is not meant for 5th graders, it is possible to use big words to accurately describe a video that is by its nature dramatic. "The man booms in the controlled voice of a classic stage actor" is a concise and accurate description of what happens in the video - if not how else would you frame it without losing content and context while keeping it readable? In fact one of the sources even says something similar "As a crowd of police bundle the man into a waiting car, he declaims, in a stage-voice that would put Olivier to shame" [4] He has a deep baritone voice and it sounds like he is acting to an audience by projecting his voice to all around who will hear (which it turns out he was acting to appear like a crazy man). -- Green C 16:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Removing these descriptions would turn it into a banal and difficult to read literal description
In this diff, which description of the video do you prefer: the longer [left side] or shorter [right side]? -- Green C 22:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Video (1 minute).
To have clearer consensus results, suggest voting for one or the other, then make any wording adjustments post-RfC. -- Green C 22:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't know what to make of this RfC other than 3 long and 3 short is 50/50. I note that one person initially went short but after watching the video went long. It is a "plot" summary and they can be more expressionistic to get the sense across, the important thing is it an accurate description. The short version is IMO less accurate than the long as it is missing important intangible elements contained in the long that helped make the video viral (notable). -- Green C 07:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
His website appears to be dead although the site he sold T-Shirts on and his pinot is still up albeit out of final stock for the latter. has there been any new information on the guy and what happened? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.241.64 ( talk) 06:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
There's a fairly comprehensive radio documentary about this guy. From the ABC film last week. LINK
I don't have time to add anything from it myself, but I figured I'd put it here for someone else.
Irtapil ( talk) 06:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
It looks like his real name is Jack Karlson. [5] Supported by the facts: he was married in the 1970s and his wife's name was Eve Karlson; the investigative reporter Mark Dapin calls him by this name; this is the name used in court transcripts ie. legal name, see: "When I read a trial transcript of Karlson.." [6]. -- Green C 18:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)