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Where my grammar nazis at? Lots to be done here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.214.118.60 ( talk) 20:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
One such claims that Bose actually died in Siberia, while in Soviet captivity.
i am refer at some information why support these conspirance theory,this appareing in Axis history forum "Japanese POW's in the USSR?":
Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posted: 28 Mar 2004 19:25
The Soviets attacked Manchuria and Korea after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Fighting did not stop in Korea until late september 1945.
Some of those captured were reputedly nuclear scientists of Japan's project to build an atomic bomb in North Korea (F-Go Project). Others were involved with Unit 731 which pursued biological warfare methods. Me thinks the real reason why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed was to force Japan's surrender before Stalin could capture these laboratories.
Some of those captured in Manchuria may have been Indians fighting for Japan recruited by Indian nationalist Chandra s Bose. Bose was sent by Hitler on the U-180 to help with Japan's war effort against the British.
Japanese POW's in the USSR? Simon Gunson
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If these comment poses any sustain,acase indicate the existance of some indians was captured in Manchukuo by Soviet Forces for conduct to siberian gulags? or more specifically between these captured INA indians stayed the "Netanji" Chandra Subhas Bose?
if only one historical curiosity.
According to Babajan Gouffrav, India's Ambassador in Moscow Dr Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan was allowed to see Netaji some where in the Soviet Union on the condition that the Ambassador would not talk and mutely converse in any manner with Netaji. After this strange meeting, Ambassador Radhakrishnan informed Prime Minister Nehru about Netaji's presence in the Soviet Union. This fact came to be known and speculations were rife in New Delhi about the ways and means of securing the release of Netaji from the Soviet custody, but nothing was done at the official level to secure Netaji's release. Thus ended one dark chapter in the history of free India.
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The penultimate section is an obvious attempt to discredit a newspaper [Pioneer is a fairly large name] while the final is a self promtion advert. Nimishbatra 16:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Stupidity removed. The two sections are now lopped off. -- Nimishbatra 17:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Nimishbatra 05:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I think Mission Netaji do deserve a lot of lines here, as i find them very much organized & informative. Can anyone show me another site where there is anything compared to it? partha ( talk) 05:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The following para seems to be superfluous and redundant so I am removing it from article to the talk page for further ref
Inquiry
Anuj Dhar, a Delhi-based journalist has lead a one man independent research into the probe and has compiled all his findings in his book Back from the Dead which was very well received by all audience and critically acclaimed and it led to startling insights into Netaji's death mystery. More such resources have been compiled to be read by the public in a Netaji death mystery probe portal. Legaleagle86 16:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I find this legaleagle person is more serious about siding off Anuj Dhar than getting the real story to all people. The book is not a storybook. It has a lot of Data, and of course, well established data. You are deleting a reference item here. If you find other reference as valuable, add it.
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I removed "For details go to this site http://khonjkhabor.com/storyline.php?from=archive" from the final section. This is not properly formatted at a reference, and it seems the site itself is under construction. I am suspicious that it might be spam, but it's hard to evaluate since the site itself doesn't seem to be up and running. Purgatorio ( talk) 18:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The article on Death of Subhas Chandra Bose has been moved to Disappearance of Subhas Chandra Bose as the "death" of Subhas Chandra Bose is disputed and not proved. This article refers to the incident of August 18, 1945 in the Taihoku airport of Taiwan which "killed" Bose. But the latest commission (Justice Manoj Kumar Mukherjee Commission) which gave its report in 2005-06 made it clear that Bose did not die in this plane crash. So, the only concrete information after 18 August 1945 is that Bose "disappeared". So the title of the page is being moved accordingly. -- SreejithInfo ( talk) 21:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Placed this tag, I've check most of the current refs and it's quite clear the article is biased and does not differentiate between facts and speculation. This tag remains as long as anyone tries to improve it, I'm open and ready to help. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 18:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
The account of the plane crash fails to properly record the circumstances. For example, it does not report the extensive and repeated testimony of Bose's companion and others present on the flight, nor even describe who else died or survived. I will try and improve this when i have time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PTSN ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 30 October 2013 (UTC) the revised version addresses these points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PTSN ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The Khosla Commission article is another pointless, stubby sideshow of a Bose article. It says little and that which is said can easily fit into this, the main article covering his death. Sitush ( talk) 21:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
The Shah Nawaz committee article is another pointless, stubby sideshow of a Bose article. It says little and that which is said can easily fit into this, the main article covering his death. Sitush ( talk) 21:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
OK, I've now rewritten the
Shah Nawaz Committee subsection and sourced it to RS. I am now redirecting the
Shah Nawaz Committee page to the subsection.
Fowler&fowler
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This article seems to be on its way of presenting a decent historical account of Bose's death. But I think, that should not be its sole focus. From the literature I have reviewed, for the past few decades historians have not even bothered rebutting alternate theories of Bose's disappearance point-by-point. Rather they have have regarding these theories as a sociological phenomenon, and the wikipedia article needs to to cover that aspect explicitly. See for example this quote from Democracy Indian Style: Subhas Chandra Bose and the Creation of India's Political Culture, Anton Pelinka, Transaction Publishers, 2003:
... in the imaginations of millions of people in India (and likely also in Pakistan and Bangladesh), Bose lived on. There were many circumstances that did not meet nationalist expectations in India after 1945, particularly the division of British India into India and Pakistan, but also the cautious foreign policy of Nehru's government. Above all, there remained the fact that independence did not come to mean a high standard of living for the many but rater expulsion and death for millions and then the still unsolved problem of mass poverty. In the face of these, Bose embodied the hope that remained unfulfilled.
And for that reason,he was not allowed to die. The Bose mythos begins with the doubts that Subhas Chandra Bose actually perished in the plane crash of August 18, 1945 in Taepei. Many people were willing to believe in a cover-up of mass proportions, regardless of who might have carried it out. Bose was alive, it was said, or had been seen somewhere, he was alive in a Soviet camp, he was a high-ranking member of Mao's People's Liberation Army and would soon, very soon, in fact return to India. He would come, like a messiah, to eradicate evil and thus, to fulfill the unfulfilled promise of independent India. ... Numerous commissions of the Indian government have examined the circumstances surrounding his death. They all arrive at the same conclusion: Bose died on August 18, 1945 in Taepei from the severe burns sustained in a plane crash. Bose's family also subscribes to this interpretation.... But the legend refuses to die...
The fact that Calcutta was and continues to be the place where Bose's mythos is cultivated points to a further function of this mythos. Bose stands for Bengal's disappointments....
Bose's death is a given for everyone who has a certain understanding of empirically provable reality. Confirmed by eyewitnesses and underscored by numerous investigative commissions, the fact remains that Bose dies on August 18 on the island of Taiwan. But Bose's afterlife, the fantasies produced about his life after the fact: they pertain to the mythos, to Bose's very function. Hopes and expectations are projected onto him. He stands for the underdeveloped energies of India—in the center of the country as well as in its influence abroad
I am tempted to go on, but don't want to abuse fair use beyond its limit!
I wouldn't be quoting a political scientist like Pelinka, if this issue was only a matter of weighing historical evidence to determine the true circumstances of Bose's death. But as I stated above, the political/sociological dimensions are what give the issue legs and should be covered in the article (and not just dismissively; and, obviously with proper attribution etc). Thoughts/ objections? Abecedare ( talk) 00:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't feel the heading "The Myth" conveys the right meaning when it comes to the alternate theories about Bose's death in 1945. Myth means some sort of a fable, which isn't the case in this matter. The alternate theories must get due weightage. For instance, please see this article and the weight the heading carries. We must surely rewrite this section, and I think I can contribute to it in some time. As I had told Abecedare before, I am collecting more sources which can be cited. -- Xrie ( talk) 11:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
There is enough sources to suggest the importance of a mystery in the death story of Subhas Bose. I have added this section and included references that are acceptable to Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. As per Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, all majority and significant minority views can be included in the article based on reliable published sources. I will be adding more information and more reliable sources to this section. -- Xrie ( talk) 07:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I feel that we are discussing things which may not be appropriate on this article's talk page. :) -- Xrie ( talk) 11:37, 27 November 2013 (UTC) Xrie, the issue is not plain verifiability or reliable sources, but due weight. As we, or at least I, realized during our discussion at the Bose talkpage and as demonstrated through the sources cited in this article:
Both these issues are well covered in the current article using the best available sources (see WP:HISTRS). Trying to "balance" such consensus using isolated news articles is simply undue, and definitely does not warrant another section. In particular, looking at the content you recently added in some detail:
Abecedare ( talk) 08:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
@ Abecedare, the files are indeed about the death of Bose. See this and this. Most of the evidences and records used by all the commissions remain classified even today! The government says if the truth comes out, it will cause serious law and order problems in India, especially West Bengal. The government also says the if the information comes out, it will harm India's soverignity and foreign relations. One of the original decision notes is here. Sections 14, 17, and 23 make this point very clear. Now, what I am going to write next is irrelevant for Wikipedia, but in the real world, if a government keeps secret information about the death of a leader citing reasons such as law and order problems, affecting foreign relations and soverignty, etc you know there is a conspiracy involved. :) Keeping aside all own researches and analyses, it is a factual information that the government holds secret information which they refuse to make public. -- Xrie ( talk) 10:33, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
If the files are secret then the only people who can verify their subject matter are people inside government or those others who have been authorised to view them and given clearance to divulge their contents. Unless you have evidence that the government has confirmed they relate to his death and are somehow contrary to accepted opinion, you're just throwing a straw in the wind. Conspiracy theorists thrive on "what-ifs", on absences and on syntheses of ideas that rely heavily on unproven assumptions: until shown otherwise, they are constructing a house of cards. - Sitush ( talk) 11:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Sitush: You got me wrong there. Dhar is a lone player, I too agree with that. But then, for god's sake, it is the government that says secret documents exists. This information is vital, however little a player Dhar is. That part does not contain any fringe theory. There are other findings in Dhar's book which claim Bose was in India and he lived as a hermit etc. No government has confirmed those facts yet and hence it is okay to call them fringe theories. My point is, Dhar is just a trigger in this case, but it is a government that informs the CIC tha secret documents do exist. And regarding whether the documents are related to Bose's death - the life and times of Bose till 1944/45 is "known" to the historians, academicians, and the public. There is nothing secret in that. These documents are essentially about his death, and that is why the government keeps it a secret. Don't overlook the heading. And one of the 33 secret files, the name of which was released following a CIC order was "Whereabout of Subhas Chandra Bose". Now, don't tell me that it was about his times in Bad Gastein or Tokyo. It is a post Second World War record. :) -- Xrie ( talk) 11:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
This section currently contains only a reference from the Gordon book. For someone who does not know anything about the sadhu, this information will be too less to understand the myth. As of now, there is no mention who the sadhu was and how he became linked to Bose. Are any editors planning to exapand this section? -- Xrie ( talk) 12:02, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm afraid there is little chance of that. In the scholarly literature, SCB, died on 18 August 1945; consequently, stories that imply that he did not belong to the realm of legend, myth, or hoax. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I've edited the article to correct the presentation of the end of the war. Prior to this, the article gave the false impression (based no doubt on Anglophone propaganda) that the Japanese Army on the mainland was being routed. In fact, the Japanese Army was under some pressure in places, but was not facing defeat. America's "island hopping campaign" was based on a defeat of the Japanese Navy, not the Japanese Army. They had failed to even take the Phillipines from the Japanese Army. This only changed in the last days of the war, with the A-bomb attacks on the Japanese homeland, and with the Soviet attack, which drove into Manchuria and Korea and threatened a large-scale amphibious assault on the Japanese islands. The Japanese Emperor's decision to surrender created a practical, as well as psychological, problem for the Japanese Army, as it was difficult for them to find someone to surrender to. The Japanese surrender in Kuala Lumpur was taken not by British or American forces, but by guerrillas of the Communist Party of Malaya. The British had contemplated landing in Operation Zipper, but hadn't done so. Hence, Bose was able to move around East Asia quite easily because it was still in Japanese hands.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 21:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Recent articles about offcial GOI reply to RTI:
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[FOR ADDITION Just after Japanese Govt reports and after declassified files in 2016> a new paragraph] Masayoshi Kakitsubo was a Japanese Government Diplomat worked in the Foreign Ministry such as Vice-Consul, Consulate General, Ambassador, High Commissioner in many countries. He retired as the Deputy Minister of Japan from the United Nations at New York. He was the personal secretary of 'Chandra Bose' as the Japanese called him in the period of WWII. Kakitsubo presented a paper entitled "NETAJI AS I KNEW HIM" in NETAJI ORATION 1977 on 81st Birth Anniversary, i.e., on 23 January 1977 at the NETAJI RESEARCH BUREAU, Calcutta. He claimed in his paper "General Tsunamasa Shidei was proceeding to Manchuria to facilitate the surrender procedure of the Japanese forces there to the Soviet forces, and met with the fatal accident in Taipei Airport, Taiwan. In that accident Generla Shidei was killed instantly. It is reported that Netaji was burnt seriously and died a few hours later on August 18, leaving the following words to Col. Habobur Rahaman: 'I do not think I will survive this accident. When you go back tell my countrymen that I fought to the last for the freedom of my country. And no power on earth could now keep our country in bondage any longer. They should continue the struggle. India will be free before long'. While I was serving as Japanese Ambassador to Pakistan from 1962 to 1965 I had the opportunity of meeting Col. Hahibur Rahaman Khan and Generak Kiani". Also the statement of Col. Habibur Rahaman Khan as an Affidavit received from the declassified files clearly mentioned precisely the death of Netaji on 18 August 1945. The materials are published in the ebook "UNKNOWN FACTS OF NETAJI: JAPAN and SOUTHEAST ASIS" by Kindle-Amazon on 19 September 2017. https://www.amazon.com.au/FACTS-NETAJI-JAPAN-SOUTHEAST-ASIA-ebook/dp/B075R69M6N.
[Dear Editor, I was not a user or a reader of the Wikipedia before. Just this week I have created an account. Sorry for editing by myself for inclusion of the ebook. I am requesting you to edit the above paragraph as you feel fit. This is the TRUE and FACT. Please add it. You can read the ebook advertisement by amazon by internet. Regards, Sincerely, Dr Gorachand Ghosh] 122.104.145.143 ( talk) 02:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
The article needs to take into account the alternative viewpoints apart from the mainstream theory to make it better. It needs to take into account Mukherjee commission finding. It has quoted exhaustively from sources which are known to promote only the "mainstream" view of death by plane crash. It needs to delve deeper into the alternate theories. It needs to mention that the Mukherjee Commission was established under a directive from Calcutta High Court, was a legitimate commission and its findings deserve importance. It has highlighted its rejection by the then UPA Government but have not taken into account the political circumstances that lead to the rejection. The article needs to discuss the dissentient report of Suresh Bose [1], elder brother of Netaji in the 1956 Shah Nawaz Committee report, which points out the glaring discrepancies in the investigation of Khosla commission. Also to substantiate the claims it needs to evaluate the alleged inherent bias of G.D Khosla. It has quoted sources like the writings or Sugato Bose or Leonard Gordon, but has not considered other texts esp. the Bengali ones like Dr. Satyanarayan Sinha's Netaji Rahasya [2]. Netaji Research Bureau headed by Dr. Bose is alleged to be biased as Dr. Bose and his father were both politicians and had vested interests in continuing with the mainstream death theory. [3] The article needs to consider the other sources, viz. investigations on Gumnami Baba or Bhagwanji by several investigative journalists, the recent findings of Anuj Dhar that have been lauded by Allahabad High Court in its verdict in 2013. [4] Also it needs to mention the claims made by noted people like Suresh Bose, Dr. Pabitra Mohan Roy, ex. INA intelligence officer, Leela Roy, a close associate of Netaji Subhas Bose and Sunil Krishna Gupta, a fellow revolutionary, or Trailokya Maharaj, a close associate of Subhas Bose during his Mandalay days. [5] It needs to mention the statements made by Sarat Bose to the effect of Subhas being in China. [6] It should mention that Ms. Emilie Schenkle refused to accept the so called ashes kept in the Renkoji temple [7]and it should also refer to Justice Mukherjee's attempts for a DNA testing of the ashes which did not materialize owing to the absence of reliable samples [8]. The article needs to take into cognizance the secondary and more cryptic sources like "Oi Mahamanab Ase", by Bijoy Nag, [9] a publisher of repute who owns the renowned Jayasree magazine. The article needs to mention the pieces of evidences unearthed in the Ram Bhavan, Faizabad after the demise of the saint Bhagwanji and the petition of Lalita Bose, the niece of Subhas Bose to preserve the material goods and documents of Bhagwanji in Allahabad High Court and the court's verdict in 2013 to its favour [10] . The article needs to refer to the new evidences pertaining to handwriting matching, first by B Lal in 2003 to Mukherjee Commission and subsequently by Curt Baggett and more recently by Ashok Kashyap, all renowned forensic experts who have all claimed a complete match between Bhagwanji's and Netaji's handwriting, thus pointing to the validation of the theory of Subhas Bose being Bhagwanji, thereby nullifying the plane crash theory. [11]
Above all even though the article has provided a vivid "official" description of Subhas Bose's so called death by plance crash it needs to examine the glaring discrepancies associated with the death as highlighted in the JMCI report or in the dissentient report of Suresh Bose. It also needs to consider Alfred Wagg's report that Bose was sighted in Saigon after the so called plane crash by him. [12]It has not discussed the claims made by historian J B P More. [13]
We need to rework extensively on this article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shantdey ( talk • contribs) 07:34, August 21, 2019 (UTC)
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Hi User:Fowler&fowler I saw that you reverted me here. I don't agree with the revert. The article is on the death of Bose and this documentary is on Bose's death. The title of the docu is as such, since it also discussed these rumours of treasure and various viewpoints. Wikipedia articles do include such sections about the films/documentary on the topic of the article. So this should be restored back. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 21:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
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Mukherjee Commssion [2005] https://mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/jmci-I-eng_3.pdf after numerous accounts have concluded , in contradiction though with earlier Shah Nawaz Committee 1956 and Khosla Commission 1970 that Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose did not die for the supposed plane crash (page 123)
The very first conclusion of the article is prejudiced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debjitwiki123 ( talk • contribs) 18:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
@Nthep Mukherjee Commission report is very much present and recorded in Government of India, Ministry of Home Affairs website (cited earlier) and a very legitimate and exhaustive investigation."Why should we accept the conclusions of this report over the various others that concluded that Bose did die on 18 August 1945?" : Because there are "varoius others" independent enquiries and investigations that indicate to the contrary. 103.102.116.116 ( talk) 04:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC) 103.102.116.116 ( talk) 04:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't know why, but a guy in the Subhas Chandra Bose talk page said to me that this article could be a good candidate for GA nomination. However, he also said that I need to write a lead section and a conclusion to this article. So, that is just what I did. But again, this article is a controversial hodgepodge, and I am quite scared as if it causes any wrong. So, I have decided to just leave a message here just to discuss more about it. TootsieRollsAddict (talk) 06:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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Where my grammar nazis at? Lots to be done here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.214.118.60 ( talk) 20:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
One such claims that Bose actually died in Siberia, while in Soviet captivity.
i am refer at some information why support these conspirance theory,this appareing in Axis history forum "Japanese POW's in the USSR?":
Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posted: 28 Mar 2004 19:25
The Soviets attacked Manchuria and Korea after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Fighting did not stop in Korea until late september 1945.
Some of those captured were reputedly nuclear scientists of Japan's project to build an atomic bomb in North Korea (F-Go Project). Others were involved with Unit 731 which pursued biological warfare methods. Me thinks the real reason why Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed was to force Japan's surrender before Stalin could capture these laboratories.
Some of those captured in Manchuria may have been Indians fighting for Japan recruited by Indian nationalist Chandra s Bose. Bose was sent by Hitler on the U-180 to help with Japan's war effort against the British.
Japanese POW's in the USSR? Simon Gunson
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If these comment poses any sustain,acase indicate the existance of some indians was captured in Manchukuo by Soviet Forces for conduct to siberian gulags? or more specifically between these captured INA indians stayed the "Netanji" Chandra Subhas Bose?
if only one historical curiosity.
According to Babajan Gouffrav, India's Ambassador in Moscow Dr Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan was allowed to see Netaji some where in the Soviet Union on the condition that the Ambassador would not talk and mutely converse in any manner with Netaji. After this strange meeting, Ambassador Radhakrishnan informed Prime Minister Nehru about Netaji's presence in the Soviet Union. This fact came to be known and speculations were rife in New Delhi about the ways and means of securing the release of Netaji from the Soviet custody, but nothing was done at the official level to secure Netaji's release. Thus ended one dark chapter in the history of free India.
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The penultimate section is an obvious attempt to discredit a newspaper [Pioneer is a fairly large name] while the final is a self promtion advert. Nimishbatra 16:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Stupidity removed. The two sections are now lopped off. -- Nimishbatra 17:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Nimishbatra 05:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I think Mission Netaji do deserve a lot of lines here, as i find them very much organized & informative. Can anyone show me another site where there is anything compared to it? partha ( talk) 05:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
The following para seems to be superfluous and redundant so I am removing it from article to the talk page for further ref
Inquiry
Anuj Dhar, a Delhi-based journalist has lead a one man independent research into the probe and has compiled all his findings in his book Back from the Dead which was very well received by all audience and critically acclaimed and it led to startling insights into Netaji's death mystery. More such resources have been compiled to be read by the public in a Netaji death mystery probe portal. Legaleagle86 16:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I find this legaleagle person is more serious about siding off Anuj Dhar than getting the real story to all people. The book is not a storybook. It has a lot of Data, and of course, well established data. You are deleting a reference item here. If you find other reference as valuable, add it.
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I removed "For details go to this site http://khonjkhabor.com/storyline.php?from=archive" from the final section. This is not properly formatted at a reference, and it seems the site itself is under construction. I am suspicious that it might be spam, but it's hard to evaluate since the site itself doesn't seem to be up and running. Purgatorio ( talk) 18:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The article on Death of Subhas Chandra Bose has been moved to Disappearance of Subhas Chandra Bose as the "death" of Subhas Chandra Bose is disputed and not proved. This article refers to the incident of August 18, 1945 in the Taihoku airport of Taiwan which "killed" Bose. But the latest commission (Justice Manoj Kumar Mukherjee Commission) which gave its report in 2005-06 made it clear that Bose did not die in this plane crash. So, the only concrete information after 18 August 1945 is that Bose "disappeared". So the title of the page is being moved accordingly. -- SreejithInfo ( talk) 21:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Placed this tag, I've check most of the current refs and it's quite clear the article is biased and does not differentiate between facts and speculation. This tag remains as long as anyone tries to improve it, I'm open and ready to help. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast ( talk) 18:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
The account of the plane crash fails to properly record the circumstances. For example, it does not report the extensive and repeated testimony of Bose's companion and others present on the flight, nor even describe who else died or survived. I will try and improve this when i have time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PTSN ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 30 October 2013 (UTC) the revised version addresses these points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PTSN ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The Khosla Commission article is another pointless, stubby sideshow of a Bose article. It says little and that which is said can easily fit into this, the main article covering his death. Sitush ( talk) 21:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
The Shah Nawaz committee article is another pointless, stubby sideshow of a Bose article. It says little and that which is said can easily fit into this, the main article covering his death. Sitush ( talk) 21:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
OK, I've now rewritten the
Shah Nawaz Committee subsection and sourced it to RS. I am now redirecting the
Shah Nawaz Committee page to the subsection.
Fowler&fowler
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This article seems to be on its way of presenting a decent historical account of Bose's death. But I think, that should not be its sole focus. From the literature I have reviewed, for the past few decades historians have not even bothered rebutting alternate theories of Bose's disappearance point-by-point. Rather they have have regarding these theories as a sociological phenomenon, and the wikipedia article needs to to cover that aspect explicitly. See for example this quote from Democracy Indian Style: Subhas Chandra Bose and the Creation of India's Political Culture, Anton Pelinka, Transaction Publishers, 2003:
... in the imaginations of millions of people in India (and likely also in Pakistan and Bangladesh), Bose lived on. There were many circumstances that did not meet nationalist expectations in India after 1945, particularly the division of British India into India and Pakistan, but also the cautious foreign policy of Nehru's government. Above all, there remained the fact that independence did not come to mean a high standard of living for the many but rater expulsion and death for millions and then the still unsolved problem of mass poverty. In the face of these, Bose embodied the hope that remained unfulfilled.
And for that reason,he was not allowed to die. The Bose mythos begins with the doubts that Subhas Chandra Bose actually perished in the plane crash of August 18, 1945 in Taepei. Many people were willing to believe in a cover-up of mass proportions, regardless of who might have carried it out. Bose was alive, it was said, or had been seen somewhere, he was alive in a Soviet camp, he was a high-ranking member of Mao's People's Liberation Army and would soon, very soon, in fact return to India. He would come, like a messiah, to eradicate evil and thus, to fulfill the unfulfilled promise of independent India. ... Numerous commissions of the Indian government have examined the circumstances surrounding his death. They all arrive at the same conclusion: Bose died on August 18, 1945 in Taepei from the severe burns sustained in a plane crash. Bose's family also subscribes to this interpretation.... But the legend refuses to die...
The fact that Calcutta was and continues to be the place where Bose's mythos is cultivated points to a further function of this mythos. Bose stands for Bengal's disappointments....
Bose's death is a given for everyone who has a certain understanding of empirically provable reality. Confirmed by eyewitnesses and underscored by numerous investigative commissions, the fact remains that Bose dies on August 18 on the island of Taiwan. But Bose's afterlife, the fantasies produced about his life after the fact: they pertain to the mythos, to Bose's very function. Hopes and expectations are projected onto him. He stands for the underdeveloped energies of India—in the center of the country as well as in its influence abroad
I am tempted to go on, but don't want to abuse fair use beyond its limit!
I wouldn't be quoting a political scientist like Pelinka, if this issue was only a matter of weighing historical evidence to determine the true circumstances of Bose's death. But as I stated above, the political/sociological dimensions are what give the issue legs and should be covered in the article (and not just dismissively; and, obviously with proper attribution etc). Thoughts/ objections? Abecedare ( talk) 00:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't feel the heading "The Myth" conveys the right meaning when it comes to the alternate theories about Bose's death in 1945. Myth means some sort of a fable, which isn't the case in this matter. The alternate theories must get due weightage. For instance, please see this article and the weight the heading carries. We must surely rewrite this section, and I think I can contribute to it in some time. As I had told Abecedare before, I am collecting more sources which can be cited. -- Xrie ( talk) 11:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
There is enough sources to suggest the importance of a mystery in the death story of Subhas Bose. I have added this section and included references that are acceptable to Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. As per Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, all majority and significant minority views can be included in the article based on reliable published sources. I will be adding more information and more reliable sources to this section. -- Xrie ( talk) 07:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I feel that we are discussing things which may not be appropriate on this article's talk page. :) -- Xrie ( talk) 11:37, 27 November 2013 (UTC) Xrie, the issue is not plain verifiability or reliable sources, but due weight. As we, or at least I, realized during our discussion at the Bose talkpage and as demonstrated through the sources cited in this article:
Both these issues are well covered in the current article using the best available sources (see WP:HISTRS). Trying to "balance" such consensus using isolated news articles is simply undue, and definitely does not warrant another section. In particular, looking at the content you recently added in some detail:
Abecedare ( talk) 08:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
@ Abecedare, the files are indeed about the death of Bose. See this and this. Most of the evidences and records used by all the commissions remain classified even today! The government says if the truth comes out, it will cause serious law and order problems in India, especially West Bengal. The government also says the if the information comes out, it will harm India's soverignity and foreign relations. One of the original decision notes is here. Sections 14, 17, and 23 make this point very clear. Now, what I am going to write next is irrelevant for Wikipedia, but in the real world, if a government keeps secret information about the death of a leader citing reasons such as law and order problems, affecting foreign relations and soverignty, etc you know there is a conspiracy involved. :) Keeping aside all own researches and analyses, it is a factual information that the government holds secret information which they refuse to make public. -- Xrie ( talk) 10:33, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
If the files are secret then the only people who can verify their subject matter are people inside government or those others who have been authorised to view them and given clearance to divulge their contents. Unless you have evidence that the government has confirmed they relate to his death and are somehow contrary to accepted opinion, you're just throwing a straw in the wind. Conspiracy theorists thrive on "what-ifs", on absences and on syntheses of ideas that rely heavily on unproven assumptions: until shown otherwise, they are constructing a house of cards. - Sitush ( talk) 11:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Sitush: You got me wrong there. Dhar is a lone player, I too agree with that. But then, for god's sake, it is the government that says secret documents exists. This information is vital, however little a player Dhar is. That part does not contain any fringe theory. There are other findings in Dhar's book which claim Bose was in India and he lived as a hermit etc. No government has confirmed those facts yet and hence it is okay to call them fringe theories. My point is, Dhar is just a trigger in this case, but it is a government that informs the CIC tha secret documents do exist. And regarding whether the documents are related to Bose's death - the life and times of Bose till 1944/45 is "known" to the historians, academicians, and the public. There is nothing secret in that. These documents are essentially about his death, and that is why the government keeps it a secret. Don't overlook the heading. And one of the 33 secret files, the name of which was released following a CIC order was "Whereabout of Subhas Chandra Bose". Now, don't tell me that it was about his times in Bad Gastein or Tokyo. It is a post Second World War record. :) -- Xrie ( talk) 11:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
This section currently contains only a reference from the Gordon book. For someone who does not know anything about the sadhu, this information will be too less to understand the myth. As of now, there is no mention who the sadhu was and how he became linked to Bose. Are any editors planning to exapand this section? -- Xrie ( talk) 12:02, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm afraid there is little chance of that. In the scholarly literature, SCB, died on 18 August 1945; consequently, stories that imply that he did not belong to the realm of legend, myth, or hoax. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I've edited the article to correct the presentation of the end of the war. Prior to this, the article gave the false impression (based no doubt on Anglophone propaganda) that the Japanese Army on the mainland was being routed. In fact, the Japanese Army was under some pressure in places, but was not facing defeat. America's "island hopping campaign" was based on a defeat of the Japanese Navy, not the Japanese Army. They had failed to even take the Phillipines from the Japanese Army. This only changed in the last days of the war, with the A-bomb attacks on the Japanese homeland, and with the Soviet attack, which drove into Manchuria and Korea and threatened a large-scale amphibious assault on the Japanese islands. The Japanese Emperor's decision to surrender created a practical, as well as psychological, problem for the Japanese Army, as it was difficult for them to find someone to surrender to. The Japanese surrender in Kuala Lumpur was taken not by British or American forces, but by guerrillas of the Communist Party of Malaya. The British had contemplated landing in Operation Zipper, but hadn't done so. Hence, Bose was able to move around East Asia quite easily because it was still in Japanese hands.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 21:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Recent articles about offcial GOI reply to RTI:
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[FOR ADDITION Just after Japanese Govt reports and after declassified files in 2016> a new paragraph] Masayoshi Kakitsubo was a Japanese Government Diplomat worked in the Foreign Ministry such as Vice-Consul, Consulate General, Ambassador, High Commissioner in many countries. He retired as the Deputy Minister of Japan from the United Nations at New York. He was the personal secretary of 'Chandra Bose' as the Japanese called him in the period of WWII. Kakitsubo presented a paper entitled "NETAJI AS I KNEW HIM" in NETAJI ORATION 1977 on 81st Birth Anniversary, i.e., on 23 January 1977 at the NETAJI RESEARCH BUREAU, Calcutta. He claimed in his paper "General Tsunamasa Shidei was proceeding to Manchuria to facilitate the surrender procedure of the Japanese forces there to the Soviet forces, and met with the fatal accident in Taipei Airport, Taiwan. In that accident Generla Shidei was killed instantly. It is reported that Netaji was burnt seriously and died a few hours later on August 18, leaving the following words to Col. Habobur Rahaman: 'I do not think I will survive this accident. When you go back tell my countrymen that I fought to the last for the freedom of my country. And no power on earth could now keep our country in bondage any longer. They should continue the struggle. India will be free before long'. While I was serving as Japanese Ambassador to Pakistan from 1962 to 1965 I had the opportunity of meeting Col. Hahibur Rahaman Khan and Generak Kiani". Also the statement of Col. Habibur Rahaman Khan as an Affidavit received from the declassified files clearly mentioned precisely the death of Netaji on 18 August 1945. The materials are published in the ebook "UNKNOWN FACTS OF NETAJI: JAPAN and SOUTHEAST ASIS" by Kindle-Amazon on 19 September 2017. https://www.amazon.com.au/FACTS-NETAJI-JAPAN-SOUTHEAST-ASIA-ebook/dp/B075R69M6N.
[Dear Editor, I was not a user or a reader of the Wikipedia before. Just this week I have created an account. Sorry for editing by myself for inclusion of the ebook. I am requesting you to edit the above paragraph as you feel fit. This is the TRUE and FACT. Please add it. You can read the ebook advertisement by amazon by internet. Regards, Sincerely, Dr Gorachand Ghosh] 122.104.145.143 ( talk) 02:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
The article needs to take into account the alternative viewpoints apart from the mainstream theory to make it better. It needs to take into account Mukherjee commission finding. It has quoted exhaustively from sources which are known to promote only the "mainstream" view of death by plane crash. It needs to delve deeper into the alternate theories. It needs to mention that the Mukherjee Commission was established under a directive from Calcutta High Court, was a legitimate commission and its findings deserve importance. It has highlighted its rejection by the then UPA Government but have not taken into account the political circumstances that lead to the rejection. The article needs to discuss the dissentient report of Suresh Bose [1], elder brother of Netaji in the 1956 Shah Nawaz Committee report, which points out the glaring discrepancies in the investigation of Khosla commission. Also to substantiate the claims it needs to evaluate the alleged inherent bias of G.D Khosla. It has quoted sources like the writings or Sugato Bose or Leonard Gordon, but has not considered other texts esp. the Bengali ones like Dr. Satyanarayan Sinha's Netaji Rahasya [2]. Netaji Research Bureau headed by Dr. Bose is alleged to be biased as Dr. Bose and his father were both politicians and had vested interests in continuing with the mainstream death theory. [3] The article needs to consider the other sources, viz. investigations on Gumnami Baba or Bhagwanji by several investigative journalists, the recent findings of Anuj Dhar that have been lauded by Allahabad High Court in its verdict in 2013. [4] Also it needs to mention the claims made by noted people like Suresh Bose, Dr. Pabitra Mohan Roy, ex. INA intelligence officer, Leela Roy, a close associate of Netaji Subhas Bose and Sunil Krishna Gupta, a fellow revolutionary, or Trailokya Maharaj, a close associate of Subhas Bose during his Mandalay days. [5] It needs to mention the statements made by Sarat Bose to the effect of Subhas being in China. [6] It should mention that Ms. Emilie Schenkle refused to accept the so called ashes kept in the Renkoji temple [7]and it should also refer to Justice Mukherjee's attempts for a DNA testing of the ashes which did not materialize owing to the absence of reliable samples [8]. The article needs to take into cognizance the secondary and more cryptic sources like "Oi Mahamanab Ase", by Bijoy Nag, [9] a publisher of repute who owns the renowned Jayasree magazine. The article needs to mention the pieces of evidences unearthed in the Ram Bhavan, Faizabad after the demise of the saint Bhagwanji and the petition of Lalita Bose, the niece of Subhas Bose to preserve the material goods and documents of Bhagwanji in Allahabad High Court and the court's verdict in 2013 to its favour [10] . The article needs to refer to the new evidences pertaining to handwriting matching, first by B Lal in 2003 to Mukherjee Commission and subsequently by Curt Baggett and more recently by Ashok Kashyap, all renowned forensic experts who have all claimed a complete match between Bhagwanji's and Netaji's handwriting, thus pointing to the validation of the theory of Subhas Bose being Bhagwanji, thereby nullifying the plane crash theory. [11]
Above all even though the article has provided a vivid "official" description of Subhas Bose's so called death by plance crash it needs to examine the glaring discrepancies associated with the death as highlighted in the JMCI report or in the dissentient report of Suresh Bose. It also needs to consider Alfred Wagg's report that Bose was sighted in Saigon after the so called plane crash by him. [12]It has not discussed the claims made by historian J B P More. [13]
We need to rework extensively on this article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shantdey ( talk • contribs) 07:34, August 21, 2019 (UTC)
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Hi User:Fowler&fowler I saw that you reverted me here. I don't agree with the revert. The article is on the death of Bose and this documentary is on Bose's death. The title of the docu is as such, since it also discussed these rumours of treasure and various viewpoints. Wikipedia articles do include such sections about the films/documentary on the topic of the article. So this should be restored back. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 21:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
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Mukherjee Commssion [2005] https://mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/jmci-I-eng_3.pdf after numerous accounts have concluded , in contradiction though with earlier Shah Nawaz Committee 1956 and Khosla Commission 1970 that Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose did not die for the supposed plane crash (page 123)
The very first conclusion of the article is prejudiced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debjitwiki123 ( talk • contribs) 18:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
@Nthep Mukherjee Commission report is very much present and recorded in Government of India, Ministry of Home Affairs website (cited earlier) and a very legitimate and exhaustive investigation."Why should we accept the conclusions of this report over the various others that concluded that Bose did die on 18 August 1945?" : Because there are "varoius others" independent enquiries and investigations that indicate to the contrary. 103.102.116.116 ( talk) 04:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC) 103.102.116.116 ( talk) 04:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't know why, but a guy in the Subhas Chandra Bose talk page said to me that this article could be a good candidate for GA nomination. However, he also said that I need to write a lead section and a conclusion to this article. So, that is just what I did. But again, this article is a controversial hodgepodge, and I am quite scared as if it causes any wrong. So, I have decided to just leave a message here just to discuss more about it. TootsieRollsAddict (talk) 06:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)