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"Under the pseudonym Devvo, David Firth has released videos, produced four short films for Screenwipe on Channel 4 and released several singles. Devvo is a character that parodies chav culture in the UK."
It is probably not intentional, but I think this could imply that Firth actually portrays the character of Devvo, which is not the case as the role is actually played by one of his friends. Maybe this should be reworded.
Malveril ( talk) 05:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I agree.
Geo Seven (
talk) 16:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I am as optimistic as anyone about creating an article about David Firth. Before this article was deleted, there was much more information about him and his works. A few years ago, it was considered for deletion, and the consensus was to redirect "David Firth" to "Salad Fingers" (his most noteworthy work at the time), and of course, it was recently deleted completely.
So, why was this article deleted? And would it be appropriate to create the article again?
There is still information about David Firth from the previous article, courtesy of the Wayback Machine (the latest version is January 2007). Would it be appropriate to add this information to the article?
http://web.archive.org/web/20070101212310/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Firth
Keshidragon ( talk) 21:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that David Firth article should not keep getting deleted because he is a very popular animator. He is a YouTube partner (doki66) and if there is an article about one of his animations then there should be a article about the owner, David Firth too, so the article should stay i think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dxzq ( talk • contribs) 21:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I heard of David Firth and his creations from a wide range of sources, from word-of-mouth to UK television. I relied on Wikipedia to provide more information about this interesting artist. Before this article was deleted, Wikipedia fulfilled and exceeded my expectations by serving the information I was after. Now it does not; the new article is very much sub-par. IMHO the original article should be restored. --
82.71.4.31 (
talk) 19:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Why was this deleted in the first place??? Y B K
Is it just me or does it seem like Wikipedia admins are becoming more anal than ever. This whole David Firth thing reminds me of the rediculously overblown debate on whether or not to have an Angry Video Game Nerd article.
It also reminds me of why I left Moby Games. I had a rare game they did not believe existed and because I could not find a source on the internet or a magazine to verify my claim that it existed they deleted it from the system.
Anyway I think there definatly should be an article on Firth, but on the other hand there really is no hard facts about the guy other than his works. Kind of a catch 22.
Either way though you would think that the article would mention some of his other popular works like Burnt Face Man or Men From Up The Stairs.
Geo Seven (
talk) 16:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, they are most definitely becoming more anal lol —Preceding
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Omegakingboo (
talk •
contribs) 05:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The most annoying thing was trying to read those Article for Deletion discussions and being swarmed with links to indecipherable acronyms under the WP namespace. This almost seems like a cant of sorts, designed to make such discussions extremely hard-to-follow to relative outsiders such as myself. I realize this is rather off-topic but seriously, why do people do that? Why can't you at least link to the full word. Is "Notability" that much harder to type than the letter "N"? -- Insidious611 ( talk) 17:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Deletes this Son of a Beenatch-
Jim (
talk) 22:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
193.151.123.247 (
talk)
It's still him, right? 64.20.10.210 ( talk) 10:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Conkern65 ( talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
If no one is going to, I will upload a picture later. Conkern65 ( talk) 20:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I think he's Welsh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.134.7 ( talk) 10:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
"He is currently working on his first animated feature film, currently titled "The Meadow Man". Firth believes the title will eventually change, though has said that for now it is the official title...".
The redundant, multiple uses of the word 'currently' with its synonym 'for now' should suggest immediate reconsideration. Basically the phrase 'currently titled' requires no explanation here.
Then... perhaps we can consider the way that way we identify a work of art relates not to the edict of the auteur, but to social conventions. Under capitalism no "title" is reliably permanent. The copyright holder of any work may re-title it for wise marketing reasons- or indefensible personal reasons- ad lib'[ie., 'at will']. And indeed we have seen composers who loathe the names and associations given to their music by their publishers. For 40 years Mozart's piano concerto #21 has been aka "Elvira Madigan".
OTOH import and originality tend to preserve auteur intent. Mozart wrote so many concertos that new names could be helpful. Hilarleo Hey,L.E.O. 07:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
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IMDb gives Firth's date and place of birth as 23 January 1983 in Doncaster here. FreeBMD supports this, and a middle name of John, in it's birth entry here. Amazon also gives the same date and place here as does last.fm here. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources. WP:IMDB and WP:RSPAMAZON are both unreliable. FreeBMD is effectively a birth index, hence a primary source, which generally shouldn't be used, see WP:BLPPRIMARY. Last.fm is deprecated. Throast ( talk | contribs) 12:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
widely published by reliable sources. I will assure you that no other editor will be able to prove this sort of broad coverage required by WP:DOB. I've addressed Last.fm in my first response. Throast ( talk | contribs) 12:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Definitely notable for Salad Fingers, and also for Devvo. Both of those have pages on wikipedia. Obviously, just being related to these two things doesn't mean he is notable enough for a page, but I don't see how he is not notable. He has done animations on Charlie Brookers screenwipe, various things for other shows, made animations for the BBC and playboy, so it's not like he's just some guy who happens to be related to multiple notable things.
EDIT: I know we're not meant to compare articles, but I see David Lovelace was also nominated for deletion but had it declined as notability was asserted. I'd have to say that Firth is far more notable than lovelace. At least from what I see. Anoldtreeok ( talk) 04:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
He also is credited for at least one episode of Smiling Friends now which should be more than enough for at least a small article Omicron91 ( talk) 09:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I managed to break the format for deletion review stuff, then fixed it once I found the missing end-bracket. Anyways, future editors may find these sources useful:
RexSueciae ( talk) 21:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
David Firth's Salad Fingers was a popular Flash character" - BBC News (1 January 2022). The argument seems to be "Salad Fingers is what's famous, and it's more notable than Firth, so Firth himself can't be considered notable." Apparently there's "little topical overlap between the two articles." Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:15, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
The following snippet and source has been removed as being a 'primary source'.
and contributed an interview to Alan Yentob for Imagine. [1]
The reliability of the BBC as a Publically Funded Broadcaster has been well rehearsed in Wikipedia. e.g. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_1#Collective_(BBC) and so on. It is a reliable source. The idea that an Arts Current Affairs Programme from the BBC, that has existed for a decade to comment on the Arts, might be a primary source for Firth is tenuous. The Programme clearly shows an edited interview with credits given to Researchers from MIT and Cambridge and a professional Online Editor as well as a Film Researcher. There is, therefore, no question of original research - the BBC have done the research - or it being a Primary Source for Firth - the BBC have structured the message. Yes, it could be argued to be a Primary Source for Yentob but Yentob is not the subject of the article.
The interview is formed and contexualised by someone other that Firth and Firth's role was to participate under the Editorial Control of the BBC or not take part at all. The reliability is with the BBC as a notable secondary source. This should not need repeating.
It can be seen here {Youtube|id=AmeGJ0xWNbc|title=David Firth Interview Alan Yentob} which extracts the interview from the BBC Work but clearly shows it is not Firth's work. Perhaps it would be appropriate in a critical response section. In addition the programme was reported in the Radio Times and within Television Listings for a range of newspapers. I do not have those to hand. They are frequently used to update user content websites which places those reports out of scope for reliabilty for well rehearsed reasons. Ignoring the interview and watching the credits actually clarifies that this is reliable secondary source interview with a neutral point of view.
Not everybody gets interviewed by Alan Yentob. It suggests that Firth actually is notable enough for reliable sources with research status - MIT and Cambridge - to evaluate his body of work. It is certainly not a primary source, nor original research, nor unreliable, nor excessive. It is an adequate reference point that fits in with the consensus around the BBC as a source.
I am unwilling to put it back in as that would seem bad faith despite the thoroughly respectable grounds for inclusion. If someone is inclined to add the reference in again, I believe the article will be improved by highlighting that Firth warrants critical evaluation by reliable sources and that there is a serious, reliable, context for the evaluation of Animators in general but also for what Firth does, in particular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenestre ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
References
A significant cultural commentator chose to interview and provide commentary on Firthor any similar claim directly to the interview. Sorry again. Throast ( talk | contribs) 16:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Is "independent animator" (emphasis on "independent") and "screenwriter" really what he's commonly described as in reliable sources
,
MOS:ROLEBIO? From what I gather, I'd simply opt for "animator".
Throast (
talk |
contribs) 22:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
There is disagreement about which MOS:ROLEBIO should be chosen for David Firth. The term "animator" by itself is used by seven out of the thirteen sources currently used in the draft ( Animation Magazine, The Daily Dot, The Independent, BBC, Pitchfork, Fact Magazine, BBC). The term "online animator" is used once ( Spotlight). The term "independent animator" and "screenwriter" are used by zero sources currently used in the draft, and I can't find any other reliable sources that refer to him this way. Throast ( talk | contribs) 17:19, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
indepedentwas deleted (as the person who wrote it) cause maybe it reads better as just "animator", but I would raise eyebrows over "screenwriter" going as reliable sources referenced in the article commonly describe him as a writer of a film. JAYFAX ( talk) 19:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
[indepdendent] animator and filmmaker.
References
IMDb here gives "January 23, 1983 in Doncaster, England." This is supported by his FreeBMD entry here, which also confirms his mother's maiden name as Jones. Perhaps a WP:RS can be found for these details. Secret Manchester here says "Doncaster born David Firth", but I'm not sure if that's considered RS. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
widely published by reliable sources, meaning multiple reliable sources are required. I also want to note that we do not rely on unreliable sources such as IMDb–not even for general reference–or on primary sources such as birth indexes like FreeBMD. Throast ( talk | contribs) 23:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Now, this may just be me, but describing Salad Fingers as "a strange green man who lives in a desolate world" sounds a bit unprofessional. Perhaps consider changing it to "the titular charachter salad fingers, who lives in a desolate world". Erbeilas ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Hey guys. Just out of curiosity, is there a way to combine the original history of the David Firth article ( the one that became a disambiguation page) with this new version? It probably doesn't matter too much, but I guess if people want to see its history easier it would be a good help.
Also, for whatever reason whenever you search his name on Google, the Wikipedia page shown is the disambiguation page instead of his actual article. I think it might be related to the history change, but is there also a way to fix that? If not, it's fine. Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 20:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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"Under the pseudonym Devvo, David Firth has released videos, produced four short films for Screenwipe on Channel 4 and released several singles. Devvo is a character that parodies chav culture in the UK."
It is probably not intentional, but I think this could imply that Firth actually portrays the character of Devvo, which is not the case as the role is actually played by one of his friends. Maybe this should be reworded.
Malveril ( talk) 05:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I agree.
Geo Seven (
talk) 16:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I am as optimistic as anyone about creating an article about David Firth. Before this article was deleted, there was much more information about him and his works. A few years ago, it was considered for deletion, and the consensus was to redirect "David Firth" to "Salad Fingers" (his most noteworthy work at the time), and of course, it was recently deleted completely.
So, why was this article deleted? And would it be appropriate to create the article again?
There is still information about David Firth from the previous article, courtesy of the Wayback Machine (the latest version is January 2007). Would it be appropriate to add this information to the article?
http://web.archive.org/web/20070101212310/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Firth
Keshidragon ( talk) 21:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that David Firth article should not keep getting deleted because he is a very popular animator. He is a YouTube partner (doki66) and if there is an article about one of his animations then there should be a article about the owner, David Firth too, so the article should stay i think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dxzq ( talk • contribs) 21:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I heard of David Firth and his creations from a wide range of sources, from word-of-mouth to UK television. I relied on Wikipedia to provide more information about this interesting artist. Before this article was deleted, Wikipedia fulfilled and exceeded my expectations by serving the information I was after. Now it does not; the new article is very much sub-par. IMHO the original article should be restored. --
82.71.4.31 (
talk) 19:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Why was this deleted in the first place??? Y B K
Is it just me or does it seem like Wikipedia admins are becoming more anal than ever. This whole David Firth thing reminds me of the rediculously overblown debate on whether or not to have an Angry Video Game Nerd article.
It also reminds me of why I left Moby Games. I had a rare game they did not believe existed and because I could not find a source on the internet or a magazine to verify my claim that it existed they deleted it from the system.
Anyway I think there definatly should be an article on Firth, but on the other hand there really is no hard facts about the guy other than his works. Kind of a catch 22.
Either way though you would think that the article would mention some of his other popular works like Burnt Face Man or Men From Up The Stairs.
Geo Seven (
talk) 16:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, they are most definitely becoming more anal lol —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Omegakingboo (
talk •
contribs) 05:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The most annoying thing was trying to read those Article for Deletion discussions and being swarmed with links to indecipherable acronyms under the WP namespace. This almost seems like a cant of sorts, designed to make such discussions extremely hard-to-follow to relative outsiders such as myself. I realize this is rather off-topic but seriously, why do people do that? Why can't you at least link to the full word. Is "Notability" that much harder to type than the letter "N"? -- Insidious611 ( talk) 17:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Deletes this Son of a Beenatch-
Jim (
talk) 22:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
193.151.123.247 (
talk)
It's still him, right? 64.20.10.210 ( talk) 10:54, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Conkern65 ( talk) 18:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
If no one is going to, I will upload a picture later. Conkern65 ( talk) 20:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I think he's Welsh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.134.7 ( talk) 10:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
"He is currently working on his first animated feature film, currently titled "The Meadow Man". Firth believes the title will eventually change, though has said that for now it is the official title...".
The redundant, multiple uses of the word 'currently' with its synonym 'for now' should suggest immediate reconsideration. Basically the phrase 'currently titled' requires no explanation here.
Then... perhaps we can consider the way that way we identify a work of art relates not to the edict of the auteur, but to social conventions. Under capitalism no "title" is reliably permanent. The copyright holder of any work may re-title it for wise marketing reasons- or indefensible personal reasons- ad lib'[ie., 'at will']. And indeed we have seen composers who loathe the names and associations given to their music by their publishers. For 40 years Mozart's piano concerto #21 has been aka "Elvira Madigan".
OTOH import and originality tend to preserve auteur intent. Mozart wrote so many concertos that new names could be helpful. Hilarleo Hey,L.E.O. 07:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
The file File:David Firth, Salad Fingers Animator, 2012.jpg, used on this page, has been deleted from Wikimedia Commons and re-uploaded at File:David Firth, Salad Fingers Animator, 2012.jpg. It should be reviewed to determine if it is compliant with this project's non-free content policy, or else should be deleted and removed from this page. If no action is taken, it will be deleted after 7 days. Commons fair use upload bot ( talk) 05:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
IMDb gives Firth's date and place of birth as 23 January 1983 in Doncaster here. FreeBMD supports this, and a middle name of John, in it's birth entry here. Amazon also gives the same date and place here as does last.fm here. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources. WP:IMDB and WP:RSPAMAZON are both unreliable. FreeBMD is effectively a birth index, hence a primary source, which generally shouldn't be used, see WP:BLPPRIMARY. Last.fm is deprecated. Throast ( talk | contribs) 12:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
widely published by reliable sources. I will assure you that no other editor will be able to prove this sort of broad coverage required by WP:DOB. I've addressed Last.fm in my first response. Throast ( talk | contribs) 12:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Definitely notable for Salad Fingers, and also for Devvo. Both of those have pages on wikipedia. Obviously, just being related to these two things doesn't mean he is notable enough for a page, but I don't see how he is not notable. He has done animations on Charlie Brookers screenwipe, various things for other shows, made animations for the BBC and playboy, so it's not like he's just some guy who happens to be related to multiple notable things.
EDIT: I know we're not meant to compare articles, but I see David Lovelace was also nominated for deletion but had it declined as notability was asserted. I'd have to say that Firth is far more notable than lovelace. At least from what I see. Anoldtreeok ( talk) 04:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
He also is credited for at least one episode of Smiling Friends now which should be more than enough for at least a small article Omicron91 ( talk) 09:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I managed to break the format for deletion review stuff, then fixed it once I found the missing end-bracket. Anyways, future editors may find these sources useful:
RexSueciae ( talk) 21:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
David Firth's Salad Fingers was a popular Flash character" - BBC News (1 January 2022). The argument seems to be "Salad Fingers is what's famous, and it's more notable than Firth, so Firth himself can't be considered notable." Apparently there's "little topical overlap between the two articles." Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:15, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
The following snippet and source has been removed as being a 'primary source'.
and contributed an interview to Alan Yentob for Imagine. [1]
The reliability of the BBC as a Publically Funded Broadcaster has been well rehearsed in Wikipedia. e.g. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_1#Collective_(BBC) and so on. It is a reliable source. The idea that an Arts Current Affairs Programme from the BBC, that has existed for a decade to comment on the Arts, might be a primary source for Firth is tenuous. The Programme clearly shows an edited interview with credits given to Researchers from MIT and Cambridge and a professional Online Editor as well as a Film Researcher. There is, therefore, no question of original research - the BBC have done the research - or it being a Primary Source for Firth - the BBC have structured the message. Yes, it could be argued to be a Primary Source for Yentob but Yentob is not the subject of the article.
The interview is formed and contexualised by someone other that Firth and Firth's role was to participate under the Editorial Control of the BBC or not take part at all. The reliability is with the BBC as a notable secondary source. This should not need repeating.
It can be seen here {Youtube|id=AmeGJ0xWNbc|title=David Firth Interview Alan Yentob} which extracts the interview from the BBC Work but clearly shows it is not Firth's work. Perhaps it would be appropriate in a critical response section. In addition the programme was reported in the Radio Times and within Television Listings for a range of newspapers. I do not have those to hand. They are frequently used to update user content websites which places those reports out of scope for reliabilty for well rehearsed reasons. Ignoring the interview and watching the credits actually clarifies that this is reliable secondary source interview with a neutral point of view.
Not everybody gets interviewed by Alan Yentob. It suggests that Firth actually is notable enough for reliable sources with research status - MIT and Cambridge - to evaluate his body of work. It is certainly not a primary source, nor original research, nor unreliable, nor excessive. It is an adequate reference point that fits in with the consensus around the BBC as a source.
I am unwilling to put it back in as that would seem bad faith despite the thoroughly respectable grounds for inclusion. If someone is inclined to add the reference in again, I believe the article will be improved by highlighting that Firth warrants critical evaluation by reliable sources and that there is a serious, reliable, context for the evaluation of Animators in general but also for what Firth does, in particular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenestre ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
References
A significant cultural commentator chose to interview and provide commentary on Firthor any similar claim directly to the interview. Sorry again. Throast ( talk | contribs) 16:47, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Is "independent animator" (emphasis on "independent") and "screenwriter" really what he's commonly described as in reliable sources
,
MOS:ROLEBIO? From what I gather, I'd simply opt for "animator".
Throast (
talk |
contribs) 22:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
There is disagreement about which MOS:ROLEBIO should be chosen for David Firth. The term "animator" by itself is used by seven out of the thirteen sources currently used in the draft ( Animation Magazine, The Daily Dot, The Independent, BBC, Pitchfork, Fact Magazine, BBC). The term "online animator" is used once ( Spotlight). The term "independent animator" and "screenwriter" are used by zero sources currently used in the draft, and I can't find any other reliable sources that refer to him this way. Throast ( talk | contribs) 17:19, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
indepedentwas deleted (as the person who wrote it) cause maybe it reads better as just "animator", but I would raise eyebrows over "screenwriter" going as reliable sources referenced in the article commonly describe him as a writer of a film. JAYFAX ( talk) 19:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
[indepdendent] animator and filmmaker.
References
IMDb here gives "January 23, 1983 in Doncaster, England." This is supported by his FreeBMD entry here, which also confirms his mother's maiden name as Jones. Perhaps a WP:RS can be found for these details. Secret Manchester here says "Doncaster born David Firth", but I'm not sure if that's considered RS. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
widely published by reliable sources, meaning multiple reliable sources are required. I also want to note that we do not rely on unreliable sources such as IMDb–not even for general reference–or on primary sources such as birth indexes like FreeBMD. Throast ( talk | contribs) 23:17, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Now, this may just be me, but describing Salad Fingers as "a strange green man who lives in a desolate world" sounds a bit unprofessional. Perhaps consider changing it to "the titular charachter salad fingers, who lives in a desolate world". Erbeilas ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Hey guys. Just out of curiosity, is there a way to combine the original history of the David Firth article ( the one that became a disambiguation page) with this new version? It probably doesn't matter too much, but I guess if people want to see its history easier it would be a good help.
Also, for whatever reason whenever you search his name on Google, the Wikipedia page shown is the disambiguation page instead of his actual article. I think it might be related to the history change, but is there also a way to fix that? If not, it's fine. Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 20:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)