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Being a well known and serial plagiarist is of importance to general public. It is also reflected in the numerous literature as cited. Please read the references before further removal. Mhym 03:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
"Being a well known and serial plagiarist is of importance to general public. It is also reflected in the numerous literature as cited."
This is a very important service to heneral public, mathematicians, and particularly for editors and publishers. I thank Wiki for this page, which should be kept, and expanded to other documented cases. [User: stganger] Dec 6, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asoifer ( talk • contribs) 02:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
As several people indicated that this article should adhere strictly to our policy for biographies of living persons, I rewrote the article. As an added benefit, I verified everything. However, I cannot access the following two references. Since their contents were not clear in the original article (though we can have a guess), I moved them here:
I hope that everybody can agree with my rewrite; otherwise, I'm sure I'll hear it. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 07:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Evidence from MathSciNet is overwhelming, and allows the editors of Wikipedia to draw more definitive conclusions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asoifer ( talk • contribs) 2006-12-11T19:15:27
I'm a little uncomfortable about an article that seems to exist solely to disparage somebody, even if it's done so very accurately. I don't know what to do, but I've started a discussion at the BLP noticeboard, if anybody wants to chime in. Ray Talk 15:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I have to object to all the sources used to cite the plagiarism facts. They are primary sources, written and published by the reviewers and editors to whom the the manuscripts were submitted, reporting on an event in which they were involved. The facts of "ban notices" cannot be sourced to the ban notices themselves. They have to be sourced to third-party reports about the ban notices. The way the article is done, it constitutes original research based on primary, self-published sources (i.e. the writers of the notices are not independent of the publishers of the notices). This is strictly forbidden by the BLP policy, which does not even admit the exception of self-publication by known experts allowed elsewhere. How the heck can this pass BLP?. Yworo ( talk) 02:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
A review of an article by Marcu is not a restricted source by virtue of WP:PRIMARY. It is a secondary source about Marcu's article, no different from the book reviews that are cited very extensively throughout Wikipedia. An abuse of WP:PRIMARY (not to mention WP:NOR) would be ourselves note that a Marcu article was mostly identical to some other article. Depending on the content of the review it might be necessary to present it as the opinion of the reviewer, but that's a different issue. Zero talk 11:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
During the recent AfD and DRV, there was some discussion of some papers by "D. Marcu" that were highly cited and seemingly non-plagiarized, giving him a pass of WP:PROF#C1. If this is true, it would be appropriate to balance the article to include those works. However, the Google scholar search link given in the AfD goes to works by Daniel Marcu (not Dănuț), and when I factor those out I don't find so much [2]. The first result that looks like a valid match is down on page 4 with only 5 citations: "An upper bound on the domination number of a graph" Math Scand 1986, MR 0873487, possibly related to a paper of his from the previous year MR 0790481. I see no evidence that these papers are plagiarized but they are also not highly enough cited to be worth mentioning. — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:59, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Of the six new sources mentioned in the AfD and DRV, I added four to the article. I did not add "An Academic Publisher’s Response to Plagiarism", Lewis, Duchac, & Beets, J. Bus. Ethics 2011 because I thought its coverage of Marcu was too superficial, but I also did not add a book source, The Great Betrayal: Fraud in Science, Judson 2004, ISBN 9780151008773, because Google books [3] wouldn't show me the text of its coverage of Marcu so I couldn't tell how relevant it was or which page numbers to cite. My university library also doesn't appear to have it. Can someone else with better access to this book report on what it says about Marcu, please? — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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Being a well known and serial plagiarist is of importance to general public. It is also reflected in the numerous literature as cited. Please read the references before further removal. Mhym 03:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
"Being a well known and serial plagiarist is of importance to general public. It is also reflected in the numerous literature as cited."
This is a very important service to heneral public, mathematicians, and particularly for editors and publishers. I thank Wiki for this page, which should be kept, and expanded to other documented cases. [User: stganger] Dec 6, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asoifer ( talk • contribs) 02:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
As several people indicated that this article should adhere strictly to our policy for biographies of living persons, I rewrote the article. As an added benefit, I verified everything. However, I cannot access the following two references. Since their contents were not clear in the original article (though we can have a guess), I moved them here:
I hope that everybody can agree with my rewrite; otherwise, I'm sure I'll hear it. -- Jitse Niesen ( talk) 07:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Evidence from MathSciNet is overwhelming, and allows the editors of Wikipedia to draw more definitive conclusions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asoifer ( talk • contribs) 2006-12-11T19:15:27
I'm a little uncomfortable about an article that seems to exist solely to disparage somebody, even if it's done so very accurately. I don't know what to do, but I've started a discussion at the BLP noticeboard, if anybody wants to chime in. Ray Talk 15:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I have to object to all the sources used to cite the plagiarism facts. They are primary sources, written and published by the reviewers and editors to whom the the manuscripts were submitted, reporting on an event in which they were involved. The facts of "ban notices" cannot be sourced to the ban notices themselves. They have to be sourced to third-party reports about the ban notices. The way the article is done, it constitutes original research based on primary, self-published sources (i.e. the writers of the notices are not independent of the publishers of the notices). This is strictly forbidden by the BLP policy, which does not even admit the exception of self-publication by known experts allowed elsewhere. How the heck can this pass BLP?. Yworo ( talk) 02:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
A review of an article by Marcu is not a restricted source by virtue of WP:PRIMARY. It is a secondary source about Marcu's article, no different from the book reviews that are cited very extensively throughout Wikipedia. An abuse of WP:PRIMARY (not to mention WP:NOR) would be ourselves note that a Marcu article was mostly identical to some other article. Depending on the content of the review it might be necessary to present it as the opinion of the reviewer, but that's a different issue. Zero talk 11:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
During the recent AfD and DRV, there was some discussion of some papers by "D. Marcu" that were highly cited and seemingly non-plagiarized, giving him a pass of WP:PROF#C1. If this is true, it would be appropriate to balance the article to include those works. However, the Google scholar search link given in the AfD goes to works by Daniel Marcu (not Dănuț), and when I factor those out I don't find so much [2]. The first result that looks like a valid match is down on page 4 with only 5 citations: "An upper bound on the domination number of a graph" Math Scand 1986, MR 0873487, possibly related to a paper of his from the previous year MR 0790481. I see no evidence that these papers are plagiarized but they are also not highly enough cited to be worth mentioning. — David Eppstein ( talk) 01:59, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Of the six new sources mentioned in the AfD and DRV, I added four to the article. I did not add "An Academic Publisher’s Response to Plagiarism", Lewis, Duchac, & Beets, J. Bus. Ethics 2011 because I thought its coverage of Marcu was too superficial, but I also did not add a book source, The Great Betrayal: Fraud in Science, Judson 2004, ISBN 9780151008773, because Google books [3] wouldn't show me the text of its coverage of Marcu so I couldn't tell how relevant it was or which page numbers to cite. My university library also doesn't appear to have it. Can someone else with better access to this book report on what it says about Marcu, please? — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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