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What's with the image? - Nat Kraus e 18:06, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
[Bob Myers]: Yes, I know about "Rio Grande River" and everything but I can't agree with "Eihei Temple" or "Soji Temple". It's Eiheiji and Sojiji, for goodness sake. Those are their names. And since people might not know that they're temples you might have to say "Eiheiji Temple", but that's not really necessary, especially if you describe it is a temple the first time you refer to it.
[NEN]: Please could someone make a comprehensive list of Dogens writings? Everyone knows about the Shobogenzo, but what about an explanation of the abbreviated version (ie discussion of whether its representative) which is what is generally available in translation? What about the Eihei Koroku and its abbreviation the Eihei Goroku?
I only recently heard of From the Zen Kitchen to Enlightenment/Instructions for the Zen Cook, which sounds like a fascinating accessable piece. Why is that not also included under the 'writings' section? If it had been already, I wouldn't have been looking for a copy already.
Thanks to anyone able to do this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.47.169 ( talk) 13:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I was hoping that this article would elaborate a bit on how Dogen compares to modern existential philosophers like Heidegger. In briefly parsing the internet, I found this book from the 80's on this topic specifically. http://www.sunypress.edu/p-237-existential-and-ontological-dim.aspx It's also available on Google Books for a large part. Maybe will look at researching this, but any help would be appreciated. Shaded0 ( talk) 07:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
There are certain contradictions on the topic of life and death that are discussed in Dogen's Shoji that deny and acknowledge the existence of birth and death. Although there are only translations of the text, the text does discuss the idea freeing one's self from birth and death to attain nirvana. But Dogen also denies the existence of birth and death earlier in the passage, so was there some intention that was lost in translation? [1]
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What's the relevance of this excessive section? And where are the sources and pagenumbers? The following works are inaccessible, and can't be verified:
That leaves only three sources which are verifiable:
MacPhillamy et al (1997), YUME: Visionary Experience in the Lives of Great Masters Dōgen and Keizan, The Journal of the Order of Buddhist Contemplatives, Shasta Abbey Press, 12 (2) probably provides some insight: it's an OBC-narrative, probably to place Jiyu-Kennett's criticised visions into a context which validates them as authoritative.
Bodiford and Faure are also illuminating: miraculous events and auspicious signs helped to establish the power and legitimacy of Dogen as a teacher, and Eiheiji as a cultic center. Tht's the intro needed for such a section. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC) / update Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:44, 18
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What's with the image? - Nat Kraus e 18:06, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
[Bob Myers]: Yes, I know about "Rio Grande River" and everything but I can't agree with "Eihei Temple" or "Soji Temple". It's Eiheiji and Sojiji, for goodness sake. Those are their names. And since people might not know that they're temples you might have to say "Eiheiji Temple", but that's not really necessary, especially if you describe it is a temple the first time you refer to it.
[NEN]: Please could someone make a comprehensive list of Dogens writings? Everyone knows about the Shobogenzo, but what about an explanation of the abbreviated version (ie discussion of whether its representative) which is what is generally available in translation? What about the Eihei Koroku and its abbreviation the Eihei Goroku?
I only recently heard of From the Zen Kitchen to Enlightenment/Instructions for the Zen Cook, which sounds like a fascinating accessable piece. Why is that not also included under the 'writings' section? If it had been already, I wouldn't have been looking for a copy already.
Thanks to anyone able to do this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.47.169 ( talk) 13:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I was hoping that this article would elaborate a bit on how Dogen compares to modern existential philosophers like Heidegger. In briefly parsing the internet, I found this book from the 80's on this topic specifically. http://www.sunypress.edu/p-237-existential-and-ontological-dim.aspx It's also available on Google Books for a large part. Maybe will look at researching this, but any help would be appreciated. Shaded0 ( talk) 07:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
There are certain contradictions on the topic of life and death that are discussed in Dogen's Shoji that deny and acknowledge the existence of birth and death. Although there are only translations of the text, the text does discuss the idea freeing one's self from birth and death to attain nirvana. But Dogen also denies the existence of birth and death earlier in the passage, so was there some intention that was lost in translation? [1]
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What's the relevance of this excessive section? And where are the sources and pagenumbers? The following works are inaccessible, and can't be verified:
That leaves only three sources which are verifiable:
MacPhillamy et al (1997), YUME: Visionary Experience in the Lives of Great Masters Dōgen and Keizan, The Journal of the Order of Buddhist Contemplatives, Shasta Abbey Press, 12 (2) probably provides some insight: it's an OBC-narrative, probably to place Jiyu-Kennett's criticised visions into a context which validates them as authoritative.
Bodiford and Faure are also illuminating: miraculous events and auspicious signs helped to establish the power and legitimacy of Dogen as a teacher, and Eiheiji as a cultic center. Tht's the intro needed for such a section. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC) / update Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:44, 18
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