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The girl was found dead in a pink dress, but she was being held captive by the terrorist wearing jeans and a shirt. This proves that Denzel went back to the past once left her in the house and then went to the dock. The terrorist meanwhile drove to her home and killed and her. That's why she is found dead in the pink dress with the fingers cut off. And that's why Denzel found "u can save her" written on the wall even though she was already dead at the beginning of the movie.
Denzel then goes back to the past again but this time takes her with him in the pink dress again, but this time she is not killed by him.
The above IMO would greatly increase the plot's understanding by the public, which come over here trying to understand this complex plot but finds only a few lines of information. I know the the abose need to be worked on in order to have its quality increased, but still it would do a great favor to the reader. What do you think? ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 02:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
and _no government closes a programm like "snow white", the film tells the end of a work day and a case at this moment! The specific difficulty in telling "deja vue" means, you must be able to understand relativity and simplify that theory on borders and synapsis. The buddhi of three times will help you, if you change the false telling!-- 88.77.211.30 ( talk) 08:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed Image:Deja vu ver2.jpg, the French poster, because generally only 1 Fair use image is allowed per article, especially if they are images that are of the same thing, in this case, posters of the same film. Apparently, this French poster has been added because it contains a definition of the phrase déjà vu in French. However, per Fair use rules, the definition can easily be replicated in text form, and in English, provided it has a reliable source. Also, the Fair use rationale is a generic one, and does not in anyway state why two Fair use posters should be in the same article, nor why this particular one is relevant because of the French definition, and why that info cannot be conveyed by other means. As such, I have placed an IFD tag on the image page.
Btw, the French Wiki article, fr:Déjà Vu, does not have a poster, and so this poster could be transfered there, assuming the French WP allows Fair-use images. If it does not, then perhaps that explains the persistance of IP users re-adding the image here. However, that's not sufficient legal reason to keep two FU images. - BillCJ ( talk) 22:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I extended the description of the plot. This is not original research or my opinion, but rather the true plot of movie. I hope I explained it well enough but if you read it closely, you can tell that this really is the only possible plot for the movie, as evidenced from scenes in the movie. She cannot be found dead in her red dress unless Doug had already tried to rescue her once and failed. If someone doesn't realize how this is a necessary plot detail, then this someone doesn't understand the movie. Please don't delete this new section. Just because something isn't expressly stated in the movie does not mean that it isn't an integral part of the plot.
I have actually gotten approval from Bill Marsilii, the film writer, that my interpretation of the film is correct. He quoted me on blog and I will look for the quote if evidence is needed for these plot details, although I think evidence from the movie is evidence enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildonrio ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I shouldn't have used the words "my interpretation", since those words sound like I made up what I wrote from my own opinions. What I meant to say is the way I have written it is correct. I was very careful in how I wrote it to make it clear that this is not my opinion: all aspects of the movie indicate that this is the true plot. If you read through the history of the discussion of this article, many people have already mentioned that the plot description is incomplete and missing important details (see the sections above "Inconsistencies," "Overall plot problems," and "Plot description is incomplete.") Would you be ok with leaving what I have written to allow others to find citations from the directors and writers to prove that this is how it the movie really happened?
At any rate, I certainly believe that there's enough evidence in the movie to prove it without citations. If you want, I could cite actual quotes in the movie. I'm not trying to flood wikipedia with my opinions, I'm only here to make it more accurate and reliable. Many people don't understand this movie and say it has "plot holes" merely because they haven't had the opportunity to read a good description of the somewhat hidden plot that many don't see because they movie doesn't spoon feed them the entire plot like most other hollywood films do. This movie makes it very clear that he traveled back at least twice, although they don't expressly state it. The fact that she is dead in the red dress, as I described, is very clear evidence that he tried once, and failed, and that what we see is his second attempt. If it weren't so, the movie would absolutely make no sense, which is what the already weak plot description here on wikipedia leads the reader to believe. As far as the timeline, the story is the same. All outlined events must have happened in the order I outlined for the movie to make sense. Leaving out any of those details will create a plot hole.
Also, please don't believe that I am hard headed, I am perfectly willing to edit anything I wrote if you can describe to me why it's incorrect. Wildonrio ( talk) 19:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Reference number 2 is to a quote by Bill Marsilii, who wrote the script to Deja Vu along with Terry Rossio. He thanks me for laying out the intricacies of the timeline(s) within the plot for Deja Vu. If you look at my post which he is referencing, you will see how I wrote out exactly what is outlined in the timelines I have posted here in the Deja Vu article at wikipedia. Since i have included a direct quote from the writer, may I please remove the
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from the article? Wildonrio ( talk) 21:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Reference number 3 is to a quote by Terry Rossio, who wrote the script to Deja Vu along with Bill Marsilii. I went to his website (wordplayer.com) and asked if he could come read what I have written here at wikipedia and say whether he approves or not. He says "Your interpretation (and chart) are spot on, and you make a compelling case." I added a reference to it, but for some reason wordplayer.com (Terry's website where he said this) doesn't let you link directly to the post. If (using Mozilla) you right click and say "copy the link location" and paste in the URL manually then it will go there. I also removed the Original Research and Synthesis sections from the "More plot details which must be assumed" section, since I added references by both the writers of the movie to show they approve. Wildonrio ( talk) 12:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Wildonrio ( talk) 21:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I added a plot summary (as seen in the film), as I found the "extra-plot details" to be too confusing with the multiple timelines. This would probably also make more sense to someone watching the movie for the first time. I deliberately kept the plot elements vague so as not to make the plot section unnecessarily long.
Wxkat ( talk) 20:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I've read through your Four Timeline theory and they match what I wrote in IMdb for the second through fifth trips back in time. His first trip back, I think that he died. When we see him on the gurney in the hospital, he has the words "Revive Me" written on his chest. BUT, when we see him step into the time machine he was never prepped by writing "Revive Me" on his chest. What we see in the movie is everything up to when he steps into the time machine for the first time, and then everything after he arrives in the fifth timeline. Please check with the writers about his first death and the significance of "Revive Me".
Firstlensman ( talk) 06:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Are there even confirmation from the writers that there are 4 timeslines as given in the wiki article? From what I understand, there might be just 2 timelines. And in both timeline denzel washington went back to try to save the girl. In the 1st he failed, in the 2nd he succeeded. Everything else is just pre-destined. Larry dying, laser pointing, etc all happened in both the timelines. 58.26.136.5 ( talk) 19:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
One yesterday, two possible yesterdays and one now. The present being shown in different axes, angles and subjectives doesn't mean it's a fourth time. or? In future you may understand me!-- 88.77.211.30 ( talk) 08:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys... I know that all the speculative data that has been posted is extremely interesting and potentially useful, and believe me, I figured it was (I am a big sci-fi fan, and this is one of my favorite movies). However, there are two liddle' guidelines that Wikipedia has set in place. These guidelines pertain to the fact that no original research can be posted and that all things that are put up on this site have to be verified by multiple trustable sources (not forums). I am sorry to reduce your hard work to nothing, people, but unless a Rotten Tomatoes editor (or so forth) explicitly talks about something like this, you cannot put this up. Even so, someone more (reliably, of course) than just a single guy needs to approve this take. If you must, put all this incredibly lain out information (I'm not kidding, I love how you set it out), and put it on a seperate website so others can read it. Remember. The threshold for inclusion on Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.
Before you decide to put up a fight with me over the subject, understand that Wikipedia has rules that need to be followed.
Thank you for listening.
-- Starstriker7( Dime algo or see my works) 02:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Starstriker,
You say that I need approval from someone like a Rotten Tomatoes editor. How about the actual writers of the movie, Terry Rossio and Bill Marsilii? That is as reliable of a source as you can get. The two writers of the movie read the wikipedia article themselves, approved it, and then posted at their website that the wikipedia article about Deja Vu is correct. I even gave references to them quoting the correctness of the article, they were references 2 and 3 in the previous wikipedia article before you deleted it. In the official script of the movie that was published by the film's writer Terry Rossio at his website wordplayer.com, he actually makes reference to the (previous) Deja Vu wikipedia article in the introduction to the script. Look here http://www.wordplayer.com/archives/DEJAVU.intro.html. I think you were very hasty in your decision to delete everthing we had written here. It was all verified by the writers.
That being said, I also appreciate what you have done to the article yourself. It looks very professional, albeit not nearly as interesting. Can you please bring back what you deleted and merge it with what you have written? Since the writer published his script referencing the wikipedia article he had read, you are making him look like a fool now since the article is completely different. Thank you.
Wildonrio ( talk) 05:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
A request has been made to deterime if this article meets the B-class criteria. I think it is very close, and just needs a few changes:
Good work so far, the article is very close to B-class. I went through and made a lot of edits, but left the above for you to do so you can familiarize yourself with the guidelines concerning these areas. Please review my edits to check for errors as well. Once the above have been fixed you can either contact me and I'll reassess it or you can reassess it yourself. Before advancing to GA, I'd recommend expanding on the current sections with more information/sources, and consider branching out to the soundtrack, home video release, marketing, etc. I enjoyed this film, and it will be great to see it advance to GA if that is the intention of the editors of the article. Happy editing! -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 06:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Here are some articles that can be incorporated into the article. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
The alternative timelines section has been re-added to this article after a GA review by several edtiors stated it needed removal in order to pass GA status. Since this section has not changed since the GA review please remove it or the article will face WP:GAR and maybe delisted. Million_Moments ( talk) 16:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I moved the page to "2006 film", as this isn't the only film with this title. I also removed the accents, as my thoughts are that the average reader isn't going to know how to put the accents on the letters when they are searching for the title. Now, naming conventions may permit this, so someone might want to check behind me on this. Regardless of that, it isn't the only "film" with that exact title, so it should be given a year identifier. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Didn't this article used to have a great chart that explained the 4 timelines simply? I thought I saw it here, but if not it's on the web somewhere and would be a huge addition to this article and help people understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.145.175.190 ( talk) 07:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
You are so obsessed with the letter of the rules that you ignore common sense and the facts (ironically you do this despite the existence of a wikipedia rule about common sense and about ignoring rules if they go against the spirit of the rules, against the goals of wikipedia, or if they produce an inferior work). So we are left with mandates to remove plot points crucial to the movie and greater misunderstanding being spread by wikipedia. Good job. You are spreading misinformation under the guise of providing better information for the masses.
Now consider this. Say in a movie character A gets into a car. The next shot has said character suddenly driving away but there is no scene of him physically starting the engine and turning the key. In fact, this second shot is from the outside so we can't really even see who's driving. Well did he start the engine? Did he drive away?
Things that happen off screen still happen and do not need a reference.
Starstriker7, you understand what the issues all are. You know that the removal of the explanation of events prior to the movie is crucial for understanding the plot. To leave that out is to misinform. Do you agree or disagree that in this case wikipedia is misinforming people by passing off a partially complete plot summary full of plot holes as the entire story?
Perhaps looking at the Memento film article could be useful. 64.145.175.190 ( talk) 08:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The movie Pulp Fiction has no explicit mention in the movie that the scenes are arranged in non-chronological order and yet its wikipedia article plot section describes the story chronologically. Surely the same thing applied here. As it stands the Deja Vu plot summary is extremely misleading 74.197.250.31 ( talk) 07:12, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
This is a great film. What's the problem with the critics? The only thing missing is that Denzel (in the film) should have explained that IF his fingerprints were in the apartment, then he must have been there - ergo, he was there. Time to switch on the time machine.-- andreasegde ( talk) 21:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The time lines like depicted are interesting, but somehow irritating. Isn#t it a circle system in time, which is interrupted by the viewers?_ so what, I recognized another axes, a spinning wheel, which doesn't run like time is normaly told. So the tunnel to go back is possible...-- Danaide ( talk) 14:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
At one point during the film Special Agent McCready acknowledges Doug Carlin's credentials as having been one of the primary investigators of the Oklahoma City Bombing.
This can be added again to Similarities between Timothy McVeigh and Carroll Oerstadt once a source has been found. -- Peppage tlk 18:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
The timeline image is certainly helpful, but I don't know if its entirely accurate. It indicates that the entirety of what we see in the movie takes place on the third and fourth timelines. It states that, at the end of Timeline 4 (ie the last scene of the film), "Carroll goes back to Claire's house but she isn't there." This is written in black text which means its not shown in the film. However, Carroll does not do this. We see in the film that immediately after setting the bomb and preparing himself to ride up to the bridge to watch the explosion, Carroll notices his own car parked on the sidewalk and realizes that something is amiss. He dismounts his motorcycle and rushes back onto the ferry, where he eventually meets Doug, gets into a gunfight, and dies. Carroll never goes back to Claire's house and realizes that she's not there...Carroll goes right back onto the ferry. 192.83.228.119 ( talk) 01:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm struggling to see any value in the timeline image for these reasons:
It's also
In summary, it stands out like a sore thumb. I've been bold. goodbye image. 86.154.97.223 ( talk) 21:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there a category for movies which ignore the Grandfather paradox? This one certainly belongs in it. And is there any source for why the screenwriters ignored it (beyond being idiots)? It seems like Hollyweird can't resist a happy ending, or a sexy timeloop, even when it's completely nonsensical. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 12:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
The opening plot involving Carlin hearing his ringtone from a body bag (the implication being that the person in the body bag really is him, not just someone else that happened to have an identical ringtone), implies that he carried his cellphone back with him when he travelled through time. If it really was the ringtone and not an alarm/reminder, that means he left the cellphone switched on when travelling through time, so the cellphone network would have seen two identical cellphones (at one point in the same location) with identical IMEI and SIMs, and one of these got the incoming call but the other did not. Does anyone have a reference about whether this is what would really happen? or is it more likely that both phones would ring, or that neither would work at all. (+ is there anything in the movie to definitely indicate it was a ringtone and not just a PDA alarm?) 82.26.5.210 ( talk) 11:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know the answer to your question but , on the offchance you don't know, *Primer* deals with that exact point 86.136.82.80 ( talk) 07:49, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
What is wondering me, is why Oerstadt calls Kuchever for her car, 7 hours before his car got shot? -- 91.37.179.56 ( talk) 19:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Briefly the film is based on the theory of Multiverse ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse ) . What describes in the plot is completely wrong.The films doesn't depict any time travel at all as described in the plot section. In fact , film describes about multiple universe theorem clearly. Vinodsreehari ( talk) 20:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Did anyone notice that it's the first film to portray an African American traveling time ? -- 81.66.217.182 ( talk) 10:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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The girl was found dead in a pink dress, but she was being held captive by the terrorist wearing jeans and a shirt. This proves that Denzel went back to the past once left her in the house and then went to the dock. The terrorist meanwhile drove to her home and killed and her. That's why she is found dead in the pink dress with the fingers cut off. And that's why Denzel found "u can save her" written on the wall even though she was already dead at the beginning of the movie.
Denzel then goes back to the past again but this time takes her with him in the pink dress again, but this time she is not killed by him.
The above IMO would greatly increase the plot's understanding by the public, which come over here trying to understand this complex plot but finds only a few lines of information. I know the the abose need to be worked on in order to have its quality increased, but still it would do a great favor to the reader. What do you think? ⇨ EconomistBR ⇦ Talk 02:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
and _no government closes a programm like "snow white", the film tells the end of a work day and a case at this moment! The specific difficulty in telling "deja vue" means, you must be able to understand relativity and simplify that theory on borders and synapsis. The buddhi of three times will help you, if you change the false telling!-- 88.77.211.30 ( talk) 08:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed Image:Deja vu ver2.jpg, the French poster, because generally only 1 Fair use image is allowed per article, especially if they are images that are of the same thing, in this case, posters of the same film. Apparently, this French poster has been added because it contains a definition of the phrase déjà vu in French. However, per Fair use rules, the definition can easily be replicated in text form, and in English, provided it has a reliable source. Also, the Fair use rationale is a generic one, and does not in anyway state why two Fair use posters should be in the same article, nor why this particular one is relevant because of the French definition, and why that info cannot be conveyed by other means. As such, I have placed an IFD tag on the image page.
Btw, the French Wiki article, fr:Déjà Vu, does not have a poster, and so this poster could be transfered there, assuming the French WP allows Fair-use images. If it does not, then perhaps that explains the persistance of IP users re-adding the image here. However, that's not sufficient legal reason to keep two FU images. - BillCJ ( talk) 22:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I extended the description of the plot. This is not original research or my opinion, but rather the true plot of movie. I hope I explained it well enough but if you read it closely, you can tell that this really is the only possible plot for the movie, as evidenced from scenes in the movie. She cannot be found dead in her red dress unless Doug had already tried to rescue her once and failed. If someone doesn't realize how this is a necessary plot detail, then this someone doesn't understand the movie. Please don't delete this new section. Just because something isn't expressly stated in the movie does not mean that it isn't an integral part of the plot.
I have actually gotten approval from Bill Marsilii, the film writer, that my interpretation of the film is correct. He quoted me on blog and I will look for the quote if evidence is needed for these plot details, although I think evidence from the movie is evidence enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildonrio ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I shouldn't have used the words "my interpretation", since those words sound like I made up what I wrote from my own opinions. What I meant to say is the way I have written it is correct. I was very careful in how I wrote it to make it clear that this is not my opinion: all aspects of the movie indicate that this is the true plot. If you read through the history of the discussion of this article, many people have already mentioned that the plot description is incomplete and missing important details (see the sections above "Inconsistencies," "Overall plot problems," and "Plot description is incomplete.") Would you be ok with leaving what I have written to allow others to find citations from the directors and writers to prove that this is how it the movie really happened?
At any rate, I certainly believe that there's enough evidence in the movie to prove it without citations. If you want, I could cite actual quotes in the movie. I'm not trying to flood wikipedia with my opinions, I'm only here to make it more accurate and reliable. Many people don't understand this movie and say it has "plot holes" merely because they haven't had the opportunity to read a good description of the somewhat hidden plot that many don't see because they movie doesn't spoon feed them the entire plot like most other hollywood films do. This movie makes it very clear that he traveled back at least twice, although they don't expressly state it. The fact that she is dead in the red dress, as I described, is very clear evidence that he tried once, and failed, and that what we see is his second attempt. If it weren't so, the movie would absolutely make no sense, which is what the already weak plot description here on wikipedia leads the reader to believe. As far as the timeline, the story is the same. All outlined events must have happened in the order I outlined for the movie to make sense. Leaving out any of those details will create a plot hole.
Also, please don't believe that I am hard headed, I am perfectly willing to edit anything I wrote if you can describe to me why it's incorrect. Wildonrio ( talk) 19:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Reference number 2 is to a quote by Bill Marsilii, who wrote the script to Deja Vu along with Terry Rossio. He thanks me for laying out the intricacies of the timeline(s) within the plot for Deja Vu. If you look at my post which he is referencing, you will see how I wrote out exactly what is outlined in the timelines I have posted here in the Deja Vu article at wikipedia. Since i have included a direct quote from the writer, may I please remove the
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Reference number 3 is to a quote by Terry Rossio, who wrote the script to Deja Vu along with Bill Marsilii. I went to his website (wordplayer.com) and asked if he could come read what I have written here at wikipedia and say whether he approves or not. He says "Your interpretation (and chart) are spot on, and you make a compelling case." I added a reference to it, but for some reason wordplayer.com (Terry's website where he said this) doesn't let you link directly to the post. If (using Mozilla) you right click and say "copy the link location" and paste in the URL manually then it will go there. I also removed the Original Research and Synthesis sections from the "More plot details which must be assumed" section, since I added references by both the writers of the movie to show they approve. Wildonrio ( talk) 12:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Wildonrio ( talk) 21:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I added a plot summary (as seen in the film), as I found the "extra-plot details" to be too confusing with the multiple timelines. This would probably also make more sense to someone watching the movie for the first time. I deliberately kept the plot elements vague so as not to make the plot section unnecessarily long.
Wxkat ( talk) 20:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I've read through your Four Timeline theory and they match what I wrote in IMdb for the second through fifth trips back in time. His first trip back, I think that he died. When we see him on the gurney in the hospital, he has the words "Revive Me" written on his chest. BUT, when we see him step into the time machine he was never prepped by writing "Revive Me" on his chest. What we see in the movie is everything up to when he steps into the time machine for the first time, and then everything after he arrives in the fifth timeline. Please check with the writers about his first death and the significance of "Revive Me".
Firstlensman ( talk) 06:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Are there even confirmation from the writers that there are 4 timeslines as given in the wiki article? From what I understand, there might be just 2 timelines. And in both timeline denzel washington went back to try to save the girl. In the 1st he failed, in the 2nd he succeeded. Everything else is just pre-destined. Larry dying, laser pointing, etc all happened in both the timelines. 58.26.136.5 ( talk) 19:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
One yesterday, two possible yesterdays and one now. The present being shown in different axes, angles and subjectives doesn't mean it's a fourth time. or? In future you may understand me!-- 88.77.211.30 ( talk) 08:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys... I know that all the speculative data that has been posted is extremely interesting and potentially useful, and believe me, I figured it was (I am a big sci-fi fan, and this is one of my favorite movies). However, there are two liddle' guidelines that Wikipedia has set in place. These guidelines pertain to the fact that no original research can be posted and that all things that are put up on this site have to be verified by multiple trustable sources (not forums). I am sorry to reduce your hard work to nothing, people, but unless a Rotten Tomatoes editor (or so forth) explicitly talks about something like this, you cannot put this up. Even so, someone more (reliably, of course) than just a single guy needs to approve this take. If you must, put all this incredibly lain out information (I'm not kidding, I love how you set it out), and put it on a seperate website so others can read it. Remember. The threshold for inclusion on Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.
Before you decide to put up a fight with me over the subject, understand that Wikipedia has rules that need to be followed.
Thank you for listening.
-- Starstriker7( Dime algo or see my works) 02:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Starstriker,
You say that I need approval from someone like a Rotten Tomatoes editor. How about the actual writers of the movie, Terry Rossio and Bill Marsilii? That is as reliable of a source as you can get. The two writers of the movie read the wikipedia article themselves, approved it, and then posted at their website that the wikipedia article about Deja Vu is correct. I even gave references to them quoting the correctness of the article, they were references 2 and 3 in the previous wikipedia article before you deleted it. In the official script of the movie that was published by the film's writer Terry Rossio at his website wordplayer.com, he actually makes reference to the (previous) Deja Vu wikipedia article in the introduction to the script. Look here http://www.wordplayer.com/archives/DEJAVU.intro.html. I think you were very hasty in your decision to delete everthing we had written here. It was all verified by the writers.
That being said, I also appreciate what you have done to the article yourself. It looks very professional, albeit not nearly as interesting. Can you please bring back what you deleted and merge it with what you have written? Since the writer published his script referencing the wikipedia article he had read, you are making him look like a fool now since the article is completely different. Thank you.
Wildonrio ( talk) 05:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
A request has been made to deterime if this article meets the B-class criteria. I think it is very close, and just needs a few changes:
Good work so far, the article is very close to B-class. I went through and made a lot of edits, but left the above for you to do so you can familiarize yourself with the guidelines concerning these areas. Please review my edits to check for errors as well. Once the above have been fixed you can either contact me and I'll reassess it or you can reassess it yourself. Before advancing to GA, I'd recommend expanding on the current sections with more information/sources, and consider branching out to the soundtrack, home video release, marketing, etc. I enjoyed this film, and it will be great to see it advance to GA if that is the intention of the editors of the article. Happy editing! -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 06:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Here are some articles that can be incorporated into the article. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 08:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
The alternative timelines section has been re-added to this article after a GA review by several edtiors stated it needed removal in order to pass GA status. Since this section has not changed since the GA review please remove it or the article will face WP:GAR and maybe delisted. Million_Moments ( talk) 16:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I moved the page to "2006 film", as this isn't the only film with this title. I also removed the accents, as my thoughts are that the average reader isn't going to know how to put the accents on the letters when they are searching for the title. Now, naming conventions may permit this, so someone might want to check behind me on this. Regardless of that, it isn't the only "film" with that exact title, so it should be given a year identifier. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Didn't this article used to have a great chart that explained the 4 timelines simply? I thought I saw it here, but if not it's on the web somewhere and would be a huge addition to this article and help people understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.145.175.190 ( talk) 07:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
You are so obsessed with the letter of the rules that you ignore common sense and the facts (ironically you do this despite the existence of a wikipedia rule about common sense and about ignoring rules if they go against the spirit of the rules, against the goals of wikipedia, or if they produce an inferior work). So we are left with mandates to remove plot points crucial to the movie and greater misunderstanding being spread by wikipedia. Good job. You are spreading misinformation under the guise of providing better information for the masses.
Now consider this. Say in a movie character A gets into a car. The next shot has said character suddenly driving away but there is no scene of him physically starting the engine and turning the key. In fact, this second shot is from the outside so we can't really even see who's driving. Well did he start the engine? Did he drive away?
Things that happen off screen still happen and do not need a reference.
Starstriker7, you understand what the issues all are. You know that the removal of the explanation of events prior to the movie is crucial for understanding the plot. To leave that out is to misinform. Do you agree or disagree that in this case wikipedia is misinforming people by passing off a partially complete plot summary full of plot holes as the entire story?
Perhaps looking at the Memento film article could be useful. 64.145.175.190 ( talk) 08:26, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The movie Pulp Fiction has no explicit mention in the movie that the scenes are arranged in non-chronological order and yet its wikipedia article plot section describes the story chronologically. Surely the same thing applied here. As it stands the Deja Vu plot summary is extremely misleading 74.197.250.31 ( talk) 07:12, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
This is a great film. What's the problem with the critics? The only thing missing is that Denzel (in the film) should have explained that IF his fingerprints were in the apartment, then he must have been there - ergo, he was there. Time to switch on the time machine.-- andreasegde ( talk) 21:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
The time lines like depicted are interesting, but somehow irritating. Isn#t it a circle system in time, which is interrupted by the viewers?_ so what, I recognized another axes, a spinning wheel, which doesn't run like time is normaly told. So the tunnel to go back is possible...-- Danaide ( talk) 14:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
At one point during the film Special Agent McCready acknowledges Doug Carlin's credentials as having been one of the primary investigators of the Oklahoma City Bombing.
This can be added again to Similarities between Timothy McVeigh and Carroll Oerstadt once a source has been found. -- Peppage tlk 18:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
The timeline image is certainly helpful, but I don't know if its entirely accurate. It indicates that the entirety of what we see in the movie takes place on the third and fourth timelines. It states that, at the end of Timeline 4 (ie the last scene of the film), "Carroll goes back to Claire's house but she isn't there." This is written in black text which means its not shown in the film. However, Carroll does not do this. We see in the film that immediately after setting the bomb and preparing himself to ride up to the bridge to watch the explosion, Carroll notices his own car parked on the sidewalk and realizes that something is amiss. He dismounts his motorcycle and rushes back onto the ferry, where he eventually meets Doug, gets into a gunfight, and dies. Carroll never goes back to Claire's house and realizes that she's not there...Carroll goes right back onto the ferry. 192.83.228.119 ( talk) 01:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm struggling to see any value in the timeline image for these reasons:
It's also
In summary, it stands out like a sore thumb. I've been bold. goodbye image. 86.154.97.223 ( talk) 21:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there a category for movies which ignore the Grandfather paradox? This one certainly belongs in it. And is there any source for why the screenwriters ignored it (beyond being idiots)? It seems like Hollyweird can't resist a happy ending, or a sexy timeloop, even when it's completely nonsensical. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 12:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
The opening plot involving Carlin hearing his ringtone from a body bag (the implication being that the person in the body bag really is him, not just someone else that happened to have an identical ringtone), implies that he carried his cellphone back with him when he travelled through time. If it really was the ringtone and not an alarm/reminder, that means he left the cellphone switched on when travelling through time, so the cellphone network would have seen two identical cellphones (at one point in the same location) with identical IMEI and SIMs, and one of these got the incoming call but the other did not. Does anyone have a reference about whether this is what would really happen? or is it more likely that both phones would ring, or that neither would work at all. (+ is there anything in the movie to definitely indicate it was a ringtone and not just a PDA alarm?) 82.26.5.210 ( talk) 11:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know the answer to your question but , on the offchance you don't know, *Primer* deals with that exact point 86.136.82.80 ( talk) 07:49, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
What is wondering me, is why Oerstadt calls Kuchever for her car, 7 hours before his car got shot? -- 91.37.179.56 ( talk) 19:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Briefly the film is based on the theory of Multiverse ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse ) . What describes in the plot is completely wrong.The films doesn't depict any time travel at all as described in the plot section. In fact , film describes about multiple universe theorem clearly. Vinodsreehari ( talk) 20:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Did anyone notice that it's the first film to portray an African American traveling time ? -- 81.66.217.182 ( talk) 10:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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