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I added pictures from other wikipedia pages so I don't think there are copyright issues; at least, not on the parts I could read on the photos. 192.33.240.95 ( talk) 16:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Specifically Ref. 11 has information on page 164 forwards. Ref. 12 has information from page 69-71 Kelidimari ( talk) 13:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm an American living in Hubei, China, and in my many experiences eating out with Chinese people, I have never observed them following any of the rules of etiquette described in this article. The article should probably clarify that most of these rules are extremely formal/traditional and not commonly practiced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.176.214.52 ( talk) 06:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
In fact there are no rules about how to eat, so I don't think "rule" is the correct word. "perception" is a more correct word. I have noticed something very strange: In America, one is supposed to put the other hand down on the knee when eating with only a fork, while one in China, however, is supposed to always put both hands upon the table, even in exceptional cases when eating without holding the bowl. According to the article, eating with just one hand upon the table, like American people eating with only the fork, is traditionally perceived as rude table manners by some unknown reason. However, I think this ridiculous perception shall have faded away in modern time. The Mao regime did several attempts to restrict the practice of so-called traditional etiquette (however, it is unknown exactly which types of etiquette they attempted to restrict), but the most Chinese people seem to have failed to follow these restrictions, as it is still relatively common that Chinese parents force their children to, for example, put both hands upon the table while eating. However, I don't think it's right at all to force anyone, and I think parents who are doing so are retarded. My mum never forced me to put both hands upon the table while eating. When I asked her if it's bad table manners to eat with just one hand upon the table, she told me that "It is OK to eat with only one hand upon the table in some exceptional cases, but NOT always". I agree with the perception that I'm not absolutely forced to always put both hands upon the table; I think eating with just one hand upon the table shall be OK at least when eating without holding the bowl. I don't think one is absolutely forced to ALWAYS hold the bowl while eating. 90.226.9.16 ( talk) 15:43, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
There are tons and tons of photos on gong kuai. However, cannot post em because I don't have the copyrights to them. I am cheap and don't have pretty decorative gong kuai. T__T Nor do I have the very long type. So, my gong kuai are basically just the same as regular, except how I use them during a meal.
But below are pictures that I'm hoping someone has something similar to and can post in the gong kuai section. The pictures below are not for loading, don't load them into wiki, I have not a durn clue how to get in contact with their owners and though I tried posting, I don't think they speak English or pinyin. o_O'
But, does someone have something like this, that they own the copyrights to, and wouldn't mind posting?
http://image.hnol.net/c/2011-03/06/23/201103062334193761-2255617.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/roamover/2241969244/ Kelidimari ( talk) 18:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
You know when people do little speeches then do the gan-bei thing? I know it happens, I know there are certain circumstances, but I don't have any books on it. I don't think there are books on it; I googled it but it kept bringing up scallops. -_-'
Also, despite common misconception, there are actually some desserts...like the red bean and rice soup? And the dan-ta stuff, and almond tofu. Anyone have stuff they can add to those segments?
Thanks guys! Kelidimari ( talk) 19:18, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I did some copyediting of a couple paragraphs in this article. There's more to be done and I encourage any editors who feel like jumping in to please do so. I consider my edits a first pass, so feel free to improve on them as needs be. I'm seeing some citations here and there, but the article strikes me as being pretty heavy on original research (or really, first-hand knowledge by someone familiar with the subject for whom English may not be a first language), and it has what I'd consider a lot of how-to in it as well. I'll try to keep working on it, but as I said, I encourage others to join in as well. --some jerk on the Internet (talk) 17:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
The scope of this article includes place settings, courses served (which I will add any second), gan bei, etc. So, table manners is just a part, and is integrated throughout this article. So, I suggest moving it to some name that is all encompassing, like Chinese dining or something. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I added some more content with manners and dining protocol, procedure, and details. Now the title really doesn't match. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Possibilities:
And then make a whole whack of redirects. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:29, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
How about this?
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
In most dishes in Chinese cuisine, food is cooked in bite-sized pieces and easy to hold and eat.
The size of the food is more to do with cooking than eating. Asian cuisines usually cook the basic food item with the sauces so the flavors sink directly into it. More surface area = more exposure to sauces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.213.212 ( talk) 17:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that. In Germany for example they do it the very same way. Maybe it is rather "unlike America" or something like that. -- 202.127.20.33 ( talk) 07:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
I have noted that some things are different between China and America. For example, in America one is supposed to eat with only one hand upon the table when eating with only the fork while eating without both hands upon the table, however, is perceived as rude in Chinese traditional etiquette. I don't know why that's perceived as rude, but I think this ridiculous perception shall have faded away in modern time. According to the article, the Maoist regime did several attempts to "restrict" traditional practises, but most Chinese people seem to have failed to follow the "restrictions".
I have learnt that one is supposed to hold the chopsticks in one hand and hold the bowl with the other hand, or when not doing so at least put the hand upon the table. However, my mum who is a Chinese has told me it is not absolutely wrong to eat with only one hand upon the table. Eating with the other hand placed down on the knee is OK in some exceptional cases, but NOT always, or is she wrong? 90.226.9.16 ( talk) 14:15, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Is there any reliable source to the claimed information that both hands are supposed to be put upon the table in Chinese dining? I don't think this claimed information has any reliable source.
The reason to the etiquette "both hands on the table" is probably that one is supposed to hold the chopsticks in one hand and with the other hand hold the bowl, or in exceptional cases when eating without holding the bowl at least put the hand upon the table. Some wiki-user has claimed that "eating with just one hand upon the table is perceived as rude", but not explained why. I think this claim needs an explanation how the table manner with only one hand on the table may be perceived as "rude" and by which reason; without any proper explanation this claim is most likely untrue.
Besides that, I don't think this table manner shall be perceived as rude any longer, as the Mao regime has attempted to curtail social practises. Therefore I have added a sentence to the claim that eating with just one hand upon the table is perceived as rude, and the new added sentence is the following: "However, the prejudices that these table manners are "rude" are fading away...". 90.226.9.16 ( talk) 16:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Yel D'ohan ( talk · contribs), do you think what I've written about the claim "eating with just one hand upon the table is perceived as rude" is fake news or a fabrication? As you see, I've added an addendum sentence where it's written "However, the prejudices that these table manners are "rude" are fading away..."; is there any evidence that this is a fabrication? This may be true in consideration of the attempts to curtail traditional social practises. According to this article, the Mao regime attempted to curtail social practises (however, it's not mentioned which types of practises). 90.226.9.16 ( talk) 21:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I've been overhauling the Chopsticks article lately. The Chinese etiquette section contains a large number of bullet points some of which are really dining etiquette. I am just going to paste the entire bullet list into this talk section first, before I trim the list over there. I don't want to lose any useful information in the process. Someone should take these bullets and incorporate them into this article.
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I added pictures from other wikipedia pages so I don't think there are copyright issues; at least, not on the parts I could read on the photos. 192.33.240.95 ( talk) 16:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Specifically Ref. 11 has information on page 164 forwards. Ref. 12 has information from page 69-71 Kelidimari ( talk) 13:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm an American living in Hubei, China, and in my many experiences eating out with Chinese people, I have never observed them following any of the rules of etiquette described in this article. The article should probably clarify that most of these rules are extremely formal/traditional and not commonly practiced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.176.214.52 ( talk) 06:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
In fact there are no rules about how to eat, so I don't think "rule" is the correct word. "perception" is a more correct word. I have noticed something very strange: In America, one is supposed to put the other hand down on the knee when eating with only a fork, while one in China, however, is supposed to always put both hands upon the table, even in exceptional cases when eating without holding the bowl. According to the article, eating with just one hand upon the table, like American people eating with only the fork, is traditionally perceived as rude table manners by some unknown reason. However, I think this ridiculous perception shall have faded away in modern time. The Mao regime did several attempts to restrict the practice of so-called traditional etiquette (however, it is unknown exactly which types of etiquette they attempted to restrict), but the most Chinese people seem to have failed to follow these restrictions, as it is still relatively common that Chinese parents force their children to, for example, put both hands upon the table while eating. However, I don't think it's right at all to force anyone, and I think parents who are doing so are retarded. My mum never forced me to put both hands upon the table while eating. When I asked her if it's bad table manners to eat with just one hand upon the table, she told me that "It is OK to eat with only one hand upon the table in some exceptional cases, but NOT always". I agree with the perception that I'm not absolutely forced to always put both hands upon the table; I think eating with just one hand upon the table shall be OK at least when eating without holding the bowl. I don't think one is absolutely forced to ALWAYS hold the bowl while eating. 90.226.9.16 ( talk) 15:43, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
There are tons and tons of photos on gong kuai. However, cannot post em because I don't have the copyrights to them. I am cheap and don't have pretty decorative gong kuai. T__T Nor do I have the very long type. So, my gong kuai are basically just the same as regular, except how I use them during a meal.
But below are pictures that I'm hoping someone has something similar to and can post in the gong kuai section. The pictures below are not for loading, don't load them into wiki, I have not a durn clue how to get in contact with their owners and though I tried posting, I don't think they speak English or pinyin. o_O'
But, does someone have something like this, that they own the copyrights to, and wouldn't mind posting?
http://image.hnol.net/c/2011-03/06/23/201103062334193761-2255617.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/roamover/2241969244/ Kelidimari ( talk) 18:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
You know when people do little speeches then do the gan-bei thing? I know it happens, I know there are certain circumstances, but I don't have any books on it. I don't think there are books on it; I googled it but it kept bringing up scallops. -_-'
Also, despite common misconception, there are actually some desserts...like the red bean and rice soup? And the dan-ta stuff, and almond tofu. Anyone have stuff they can add to those segments?
Thanks guys! Kelidimari ( talk) 19:18, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I did some copyediting of a couple paragraphs in this article. There's more to be done and I encourage any editors who feel like jumping in to please do so. I consider my edits a first pass, so feel free to improve on them as needs be. I'm seeing some citations here and there, but the article strikes me as being pretty heavy on original research (or really, first-hand knowledge by someone familiar with the subject for whom English may not be a first language), and it has what I'd consider a lot of how-to in it as well. I'll try to keep working on it, but as I said, I encourage others to join in as well. --some jerk on the Internet (talk) 17:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
The scope of this article includes place settings, courses served (which I will add any second), gan bei, etc. So, table manners is just a part, and is integrated throughout this article. So, I suggest moving it to some name that is all encompassing, like Chinese dining or something. Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I added some more content with manners and dining protocol, procedure, and details. Now the title really doesn't match. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Possibilities:
And then make a whole whack of redirects. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:29, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
How about this?
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
In most dishes in Chinese cuisine, food is cooked in bite-sized pieces and easy to hold and eat.
The size of the food is more to do with cooking than eating. Asian cuisines usually cook the basic food item with the sauces so the flavors sink directly into it. More surface area = more exposure to sauces. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.213.212 ( talk) 17:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that. In Germany for example they do it the very same way. Maybe it is rather "unlike America" or something like that. -- 202.127.20.33 ( talk) 07:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
I have noted that some things are different between China and America. For example, in America one is supposed to eat with only one hand upon the table when eating with only the fork while eating without both hands upon the table, however, is perceived as rude in Chinese traditional etiquette. I don't know why that's perceived as rude, but I think this ridiculous perception shall have faded away in modern time. According to the article, the Maoist regime did several attempts to "restrict" traditional practises, but most Chinese people seem to have failed to follow the "restrictions".
I have learnt that one is supposed to hold the chopsticks in one hand and hold the bowl with the other hand, or when not doing so at least put the hand upon the table. However, my mum who is a Chinese has told me it is not absolutely wrong to eat with only one hand upon the table. Eating with the other hand placed down on the knee is OK in some exceptional cases, but NOT always, or is she wrong? 90.226.9.16 ( talk) 14:15, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Is there any reliable source to the claimed information that both hands are supposed to be put upon the table in Chinese dining? I don't think this claimed information has any reliable source.
The reason to the etiquette "both hands on the table" is probably that one is supposed to hold the chopsticks in one hand and with the other hand hold the bowl, or in exceptional cases when eating without holding the bowl at least put the hand upon the table. Some wiki-user has claimed that "eating with just one hand upon the table is perceived as rude", but not explained why. I think this claim needs an explanation how the table manner with only one hand on the table may be perceived as "rude" and by which reason; without any proper explanation this claim is most likely untrue.
Besides that, I don't think this table manner shall be perceived as rude any longer, as the Mao regime has attempted to curtail social practises. Therefore I have added a sentence to the claim that eating with just one hand upon the table is perceived as rude, and the new added sentence is the following: "However, the prejudices that these table manners are "rude" are fading away...". 90.226.9.16 ( talk) 16:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Yel D'ohan ( talk · contribs), do you think what I've written about the claim "eating with just one hand upon the table is perceived as rude" is fake news or a fabrication? As you see, I've added an addendum sentence where it's written "However, the prejudices that these table manners are "rude" are fading away..."; is there any evidence that this is a fabrication? This may be true in consideration of the attempts to curtail traditional social practises. According to this article, the Mao regime attempted to curtail social practises (however, it's not mentioned which types of practises). 90.226.9.16 ( talk) 21:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I've been overhauling the Chopsticks article lately. The Chinese etiquette section contains a large number of bullet points some of which are really dining etiquette. I am just going to paste the entire bullet list into this talk section first, before I trim the list over there. I don't want to lose any useful information in the process. Someone should take these bullets and incorporate them into this article.
References