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With respect, fairy cakes are NOT called cupcakes or patty cakes in Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chillchillchill ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC) You are delusional. They are called cupcakes. No one here calls the fairy cakes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:4044:6100:94CD:D8A2:88D2:B38C ( talk) 19:32, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
With all due respect you are completely wrong. As an Australian, I can confirm 100% they are not called fairy cakes at all. Here are several examples: https://cupcakecentral.com.au https://littlecupcakes.com.au/ https://thecupcakefactory.com.au/ Urgeback ( talk) 03:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Doesn't seem to make too much sense, since that's over two centuries before the invention of movable type... AnonMoos ( talk) 15:03, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
In this article it states (without a cite) that fairy cakes are much smaller than cupcakes. This is factually incorrect as there is no set size for fairy cakes. As a British trained and educated chef, I can assure you there is no difference in size either way. Generally speaking American serving sizes are generally bigger than the UK's but there is no industry standard set for the size of either cupcakes or fairy cakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaelic femme ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC) and that photo is of a British Butterfly Cake (type of Fairy cake with buttercream icing & part the top cut out to make wings) - not a Butterfly Cupcake - afaik there's no such thing.
Amelia Simmons is the author of American Cookery, and the author of the first known published recipe. See the wiki Entry for American Cookery. Also this is the name given at the linked citation, so I assume it was just a slip up to have written Amelia Simms. Untowardland ( talk) 21:01, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
The blog being put forth as a claim that cupcakes are larger than fairy cakes is being misrepresented: it says that the terms are equivalent, and that American-style muffins are larger than fairy cakes. The BBC recipe differentiates between what it calls "small fairy cakes" and "deep cupcakes", without saying anything about how the normal sizes of each compare. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 01:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I note the infobox gives USA as the place of origin, but I think this is questionable. Amelia Simmons (in the USA) is the first known source for cakes cooked in cups (1796). However, the term "cupcake" is an American term, and for those of us in other countries who call them fairy cakes, the "cup" is not the determiner of origin. An older source "The Complete Confectioner" by Frederick Nutt was published in London in 1789, and describes the manufacture of small paper cases for baking little cakes. Reference. This is a European reference that predates the earliest American reference by seven years. I am going to incorporate this into the article, and would suggest an update of the infobox also. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 03:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I have twice had the photo I have added to this article removed. First it was called "poor quality" and a duplicate of other photos, and now it is said that it is dubious that American cupcakes are usually frosted, and some times elaborately frosted. If a Martha Stewart, the Queen of Cakes in America reference with pictures of cupcakes, all with frosting, is not good enough, I take it that a google of cupcakes, again all frosted, is not good enough either. I am well over 50 and I have never seen a cupcake that was not frosted. It is so common in the US that I would think that rather than I having to prove it, the editor that denies it should have to prove their claim. I try to do some articles that are less likely to be a pain in the *** because I work on so many that are, and I'm sad to see that now even the cupcake article is no longer any fun.
[3] Gandydancer ( talk) 09:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Removed the information in the first section which states Cupcakes are usually used for heavenly goodness and are very yummy. People who don't like cupcakes are VERY naughty. I am Cupcake Lover and as my name suggests, I go bananas over cupcakes. It doesn't matter what flavour, cupcakes are cupcakes. But, Red velvet cupcakes are the best! :)" <--- Not really what a factual page of cupcakes actually needs. Snowstormskies ( talk) 00:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)snowstormskies
I truly like the idea of this periodic table, however those don't appear to be cupcakes. It looks like a flat sheet-cake that has been cut into squares and frosted. I can see how cupcakes could be used for this idea though. Also, it says this is common, however I've never seen one, and I'm a science teacher, though I now may have to do this. Flight Risk ( talk) 20:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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It seems like somewhere in this article there must be room for appropriate mention of "2 Broke Girls". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.239.81.161 ( talk) 01:33, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
This link is reduntant, since it links to the same page at the same section the link is in. Not much more to say 14.203.7.151 ( talk) 05:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Locked?? Cupcakes?? WTF!!
187.143.74.31 ( talk) 21:19, 5 March 2018 (UTC) baden k.
Queen cake is redirected here, but the actual article lacks any mention of said cake. This is also a bit strange as Queen cake is known at least since 1725 https://researchingfoodhistory.blogspot.se/2011/04/queen-cakes-and-patty-pans.html (I checked with my electronic copy, it's there). That particular recipe doesn't mention any type of small fluted pans however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A04:AE04:4402:EE00:5119:F6E6:2305:CEAB ( talk) 06:56, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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With respect, fairy cakes are NOT called cupcakes or patty cakes in Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chillchillchill ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC) You are delusional. They are called cupcakes. No one here calls the fairy cakes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:4044:6100:94CD:D8A2:88D2:B38C ( talk) 19:32, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
With all due respect you are completely wrong. As an Australian, I can confirm 100% they are not called fairy cakes at all. Here are several examples: https://cupcakecentral.com.au https://littlecupcakes.com.au/ https://thecupcakefactory.com.au/ Urgeback ( talk) 03:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Doesn't seem to make too much sense, since that's over two centuries before the invention of movable type... AnonMoos ( talk) 15:03, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
In this article it states (without a cite) that fairy cakes are much smaller than cupcakes. This is factually incorrect as there is no set size for fairy cakes. As a British trained and educated chef, I can assure you there is no difference in size either way. Generally speaking American serving sizes are generally bigger than the UK's but there is no industry standard set for the size of either cupcakes or fairy cakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaelic femme ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC) and that photo is of a British Butterfly Cake (type of Fairy cake with buttercream icing & part the top cut out to make wings) - not a Butterfly Cupcake - afaik there's no such thing.
Amelia Simmons is the author of American Cookery, and the author of the first known published recipe. See the wiki Entry for American Cookery. Also this is the name given at the linked citation, so I assume it was just a slip up to have written Amelia Simms. Untowardland ( talk) 21:01, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
The blog being put forth as a claim that cupcakes are larger than fairy cakes is being misrepresented: it says that the terms are equivalent, and that American-style muffins are larger than fairy cakes. The BBC recipe differentiates between what it calls "small fairy cakes" and "deep cupcakes", without saying anything about how the normal sizes of each compare. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 01:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I note the infobox gives USA as the place of origin, but I think this is questionable. Amelia Simmons (in the USA) is the first known source for cakes cooked in cups (1796). However, the term "cupcake" is an American term, and for those of us in other countries who call them fairy cakes, the "cup" is not the determiner of origin. An older source "The Complete Confectioner" by Frederick Nutt was published in London in 1789, and describes the manufacture of small paper cases for baking little cakes. Reference. This is a European reference that predates the earliest American reference by seven years. I am going to incorporate this into the article, and would suggest an update of the infobox also. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 03:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I have twice had the photo I have added to this article removed. First it was called "poor quality" and a duplicate of other photos, and now it is said that it is dubious that American cupcakes are usually frosted, and some times elaborately frosted. If a Martha Stewart, the Queen of Cakes in America reference with pictures of cupcakes, all with frosting, is not good enough, I take it that a google of cupcakes, again all frosted, is not good enough either. I am well over 50 and I have never seen a cupcake that was not frosted. It is so common in the US that I would think that rather than I having to prove it, the editor that denies it should have to prove their claim. I try to do some articles that are less likely to be a pain in the *** because I work on so many that are, and I'm sad to see that now even the cupcake article is no longer any fun.
[3] Gandydancer ( talk) 09:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Removed the information in the first section which states Cupcakes are usually used for heavenly goodness and are very yummy. People who don't like cupcakes are VERY naughty. I am Cupcake Lover and as my name suggests, I go bananas over cupcakes. It doesn't matter what flavour, cupcakes are cupcakes. But, Red velvet cupcakes are the best! :)" <--- Not really what a factual page of cupcakes actually needs. Snowstormskies ( talk) 00:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)snowstormskies
I truly like the idea of this periodic table, however those don't appear to be cupcakes. It looks like a flat sheet-cake that has been cut into squares and frosted. I can see how cupcakes could be used for this idea though. Also, it says this is common, however I've never seen one, and I'm a science teacher, though I now may have to do this. Flight Risk ( talk) 20:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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It seems like somewhere in this article there must be room for appropriate mention of "2 Broke Girls". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.239.81.161 ( talk) 01:33, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
This link is reduntant, since it links to the same page at the same section the link is in. Not much more to say 14.203.7.151 ( talk) 05:23, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Locked?? Cupcakes?? WTF!!
187.143.74.31 ( talk) 21:19, 5 March 2018 (UTC) baden k.
Queen cake is redirected here, but the actual article lacks any mention of said cake. This is also a bit strange as Queen cake is known at least since 1725 https://researchingfoodhistory.blogspot.se/2011/04/queen-cakes-and-patty-pans.html (I checked with my electronic copy, it's there). That particular recipe doesn't mention any type of small fluted pans however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A04:AE04:4402:EE00:5119:F6E6:2305:CEAB ( talk) 06:56, 16 May 2018 (UTC)