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I'm removing this from the lede again, but I will comment more in detail:
Untrue. The source of Norse culture is generally taken to be "southern scandinavia". It is of course impossible to pinpoint more exactly than that, since it was already spread over much of Scandinavia when we get useful sources.
Unattested. There is very little we know for sure about the temple. Adam of Bremen, who is the main source of information regarding the temple, does not mention any pilgrimage.
Is this some attempt at euhemerism? The Aesir were gods, not a historic people.
Irrelevant. This article is about Sweden, not Denmark and Norway.
Wastly exaggerated. Byzantium was the new Rome, the most civilized city of the world. Varangians were useful mercenaries, not a strong cultural influence.
True, but it is questionable how much influence the norse had on the Kievan state. (Also, if we should talk about influence on other cultures, that of Finland should of course be at the top.)
"King Gustav III and Queen Christina, have been exceptionally important to its cultural development."
Gustav III is hard to argue away, but Christina? The one thing she could be credited for is asking her generals to send back books and art when they plundered Europe. Otherwise, not very much. One might add that she encouraged poets such as Stiernhielm, but he did not publish his most important work Hercules until after she had abdicated. Her father Gustav II Adolf probably did much more by furnishing Uppsala University with secure founding and founding the Swedish National Heritage Board. And if any king should be mentioned as having a lasting impact, it is surely Gustav Vasa, who secured Swedish independence, encouraged the reformation, shattered the medieval church culture and stood behind the translation of the Bible.
Andejons ( talk) 14:03, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
On pages 121-122 of Herman's book (sorry I neglected to add those page numbers to the citation) we read about the "great pagan complex at Uppsala" as "the center of human sacrifice", where people joined in "the mass pagan rites". I suggest our article text quote him about that and then readers can interpret his words as they please. I cannot find the more precise wording right now where the old temple is specifically referred to as a place that drew people there and am willing to pass on that. "Mass" rights could hardly take place unless a lot more people came to Old Upsala than there were residing there then.
On the cited pages (69, 106 & 407-408, now removed again by incessant edit warring) Herman clearly defines the Nordic influence on the area mentioned. Those wordings too can be quoted. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 01:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Someone deleted my edit for no reason whatsoever just because I used sources that is up to date. Melledelle ( talk) 09:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
I believe that a photo of Swedish folk dancing is relevant & will restore one unless there is any constructive objection here. It should, however, not be at the top in the info box. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 01:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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I'm removing this from the lede again, but I will comment more in detail:
Untrue. The source of Norse culture is generally taken to be "southern scandinavia". It is of course impossible to pinpoint more exactly than that, since it was already spread over much of Scandinavia when we get useful sources.
Unattested. There is very little we know for sure about the temple. Adam of Bremen, who is the main source of information regarding the temple, does not mention any pilgrimage.
Is this some attempt at euhemerism? The Aesir were gods, not a historic people.
Irrelevant. This article is about Sweden, not Denmark and Norway.
Wastly exaggerated. Byzantium was the new Rome, the most civilized city of the world. Varangians were useful mercenaries, not a strong cultural influence.
True, but it is questionable how much influence the norse had on the Kievan state. (Also, if we should talk about influence on other cultures, that of Finland should of course be at the top.)
"King Gustav III and Queen Christina, have been exceptionally important to its cultural development."
Gustav III is hard to argue away, but Christina? The one thing she could be credited for is asking her generals to send back books and art when they plundered Europe. Otherwise, not very much. One might add that she encouraged poets such as Stiernhielm, but he did not publish his most important work Hercules until after she had abdicated. Her father Gustav II Adolf probably did much more by furnishing Uppsala University with secure founding and founding the Swedish National Heritage Board. And if any king should be mentioned as having a lasting impact, it is surely Gustav Vasa, who secured Swedish independence, encouraged the reformation, shattered the medieval church culture and stood behind the translation of the Bible.
Andejons ( talk) 14:03, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
On pages 121-122 of Herman's book (sorry I neglected to add those page numbers to the citation) we read about the "great pagan complex at Uppsala" as "the center of human sacrifice", where people joined in "the mass pagan rites". I suggest our article text quote him about that and then readers can interpret his words as they please. I cannot find the more precise wording right now where the old temple is specifically referred to as a place that drew people there and am willing to pass on that. "Mass" rights could hardly take place unless a lot more people came to Old Upsala than there were residing there then.
On the cited pages (69, 106 & 407-408, now removed again by incessant edit warring) Herman clearly defines the Nordic influence on the area mentioned. Those wordings too can be quoted. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 01:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Someone deleted my edit for no reason whatsoever just because I used sources that is up to date. Melledelle ( talk) 09:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
I believe that a photo of Swedish folk dancing is relevant & will restore one unless there is any constructive objection here. It should, however, not be at the top in the info box. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 01:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)