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Excellent job - as always!
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B Class through and through, quite obviously GA-bound and almost there. GregorB ( talk) 00:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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Final decision - As I mentioned above, there's some minor issues, but I really don't think they're outstanding enough to warrant a fail or "On Hold". Therefore, I'll 鉁聽Pass this article, but I would recommend fixing the run-on I mentioned above and perhaps briefly scanning over the article briefly for clarity. Thanks, -- Writing Enthusiast ( talk | contribs) 18:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Allegedly, Croation police have prevented people from entering Siga. Now, I know we can't point out in the article that this means they're claiming sovereignty over it (until someone else points this out), but doesn't it deserve a mention at least? 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 78.148.207.45 ( talk) 22:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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There's been some back-and-forth about the inclusion or not of various micronations which claim land on the Croatia-Serbia border. Specifically, accounts with an association to a Republic of Kekistan have been inserting references to this micronation into the article.
The two references they supply are a link to the UK Russian embassy tweeting the hashtag #FreeKekistan, and an article on the Republic's website which discusses this tweet. Kekistan is a meme which has gained widespread attention, and this micronation seem to have attached themselves to the meme to feed from its popularity. Kekistan has been discussed online since February 2017 whereas this micronation was founded in March or April 2017. I think it is very unlikely that the Russian embassy was referring to this micronation when they tweeted about Kekistan. Even if this was the case, being mentioned once in a tweet from an embassy Twitter account is no proof of international recognition.
Since there have been no neutral, notable sources provided which discuss this micronation, I would argue that it is not notable enough to warrant inclusion in this article. Lost kettle ( talk) 20:15, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Re the Croat-Serbia page, as can be seen from the user "Lost Kettle"'s profile description, mentioning green people, and a reference to the PCF, he is biased. His profile description details are a mockery of us. He even literally stalked me in person, and seems to be mentally unhinged. He just tweeted abuse at us. The edit has a reference, and should not be deleted - the Kekistan comment has more substance than the Autia comment which is there. Ericmbana ( talk) 20:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
A valid reference has been removed, which has more substance than other details on the page, such as of Autia, and further it is clear that "Lost Kettle" user has a bias from the comments on his profile user description, and his tweeting of us. He is a stalker, who has even harassed us in person. In fact, we think he is mentally unbalanced. A ban is due: three-revert rule says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Ericmbana ( talk) 21:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
There is no basis for the referenced mention of Kekistan to have been removed, while the unreferenced Autia remains. Hence a comment request has been made to hist/pol. Ericmbana ( talk) 22:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
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This article is about a border dispute between two countries, not necessarily about the unrecognized micronations that have formed as a result. Focusing so much on the micronations is in my opinion WP:UNDUE. I propose reverting to the article as it was a few years ago, with the exception of a sentence or two saying that several micronations have been declared as a result of the ambiguity of delineation. Thoughts? 23 editor ( talk) 14:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
As mentioned in my edit summary, I have removed claims about other micronations. The Enclava AFP source mentions the Slovenian border, not the Serbian one, and Verdis' coverage (Buzzara) is not a reliable source (RS). Liberland is obviously not the first nor the last micronation to claim that pocket, but since I'm having trouble finding any RS at all tying the others to the Siga pockets, I've decided to leave it all to conform with WP:RS, WP:V, WP:UNDUE and WP:PROMO. Inviting Thonkingman to make his/her case for the inclusion of less important micronations and their names. Da脽鈥 W枚lf 03:46, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Buzzara RTL is a reliable source. It's approved for Google Inclusion and is part of the RTL Group which is a major news organization in Europe. It is a reliable source, therefore things shouldn't be reverted on the dispute page. - Thonkingman
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Verdis. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 17:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Looking at the region both on Google Earth and OpenStreetMap,there doesn't seem to be a pocket of disputed territory on the western side of the Danube located just south of Batina, where "pocket 1" is labeled in the Wikipedia map, while there is another pocket on the western side, right across Apatin, which is not shown in the Wikipedia map. 181.23.134.39 ( talk) 20:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
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Excellent job - as always!
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B Class through and through, quite obviously GA-bound and almost there. GregorB ( talk) 00:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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Here are my comments and decision on this article:
Final decision - As I mentioned above, there's some minor issues, but I really don't think they're outstanding enough to warrant a fail or "On Hold". Therefore, I'll 鉁聽Pass this article, but I would recommend fixing the run-on I mentioned above and perhaps briefly scanning over the article briefly for clarity. Thanks, -- Writing Enthusiast ( talk | contribs) 18:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Allegedly, Croation police have prevented people from entering Siga. Now, I know we can't point out in the article that this means they're claiming sovereignty over it (until someone else points this out), but doesn't it deserve a mention at least? 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 78.148.207.45 ( talk) 22:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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There's been some back-and-forth about the inclusion or not of various micronations which claim land on the Croatia-Serbia border. Specifically, accounts with an association to a Republic of Kekistan have been inserting references to this micronation into the article.
The two references they supply are a link to the UK Russian embassy tweeting the hashtag #FreeKekistan, and an article on the Republic's website which discusses this tweet. Kekistan is a meme which has gained widespread attention, and this micronation seem to have attached themselves to the meme to feed from its popularity. Kekistan has been discussed online since February 2017 whereas this micronation was founded in March or April 2017. I think it is very unlikely that the Russian embassy was referring to this micronation when they tweeted about Kekistan. Even if this was the case, being mentioned once in a tweet from an embassy Twitter account is no proof of international recognition.
Since there have been no neutral, notable sources provided which discuss this micronation, I would argue that it is not notable enough to warrant inclusion in this article. Lost kettle ( talk) 20:15, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Re the Croat-Serbia page, as can be seen from the user "Lost Kettle"'s profile description, mentioning green people, and a reference to the PCF, he is biased. His profile description details are a mockery of us. He even literally stalked me in person, and seems to be mentally unhinged. He just tweeted abuse at us. The edit has a reference, and should not be deleted - the Kekistan comment has more substance than the Autia comment which is there. Ericmbana ( talk) 20:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
A valid reference has been removed, which has more substance than other details on the page, such as of Autia, and further it is clear that "Lost Kettle" user has a bias from the comments on his profile user description, and his tweeting of us. He is a stalker, who has even harassed us in person. In fact, we think he is mentally unbalanced. A ban is due: three-revert rule says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Ericmbana ( talk) 21:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
There is no basis for the referenced mention of Kekistan to have been removed, while the unreferenced Autia remains. Hence a comment request has been made to hist/pol. Ericmbana ( talk) 22:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
If this continues I am going to start handing out blocks. Please seek consensus here on the talk page. Thank you. -
Ad Orientem (
talk)
20:33, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
This article is about a border dispute between two countries, not necessarily about the unrecognized micronations that have formed as a result. Focusing so much on the micronations is in my opinion WP:UNDUE. I propose reverting to the article as it was a few years ago, with the exception of a sentence or two saying that several micronations have been declared as a result of the ambiguity of delineation. Thoughts? 23 editor ( talk) 14:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
As mentioned in my edit summary, I have removed claims about other micronations. The Enclava AFP source mentions the Slovenian border, not the Serbian one, and Verdis' coverage (Buzzara) is not a reliable source (RS). Liberland is obviously not the first nor the last micronation to claim that pocket, but since I'm having trouble finding any RS at all tying the others to the Siga pockets, I've decided to leave it all to conform with WP:RS, WP:V, WP:UNDUE and WP:PROMO. Inviting Thonkingman to make his/her case for the inclusion of less important micronations and their names. Da脽鈥 W枚lf 03:46, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Buzzara RTL is a reliable source. It's approved for Google Inclusion and is part of the RTL Group which is a major news organization in Europe. It is a reliable source, therefore things shouldn't be reverted on the dispute page. - Thonkingman
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Verdis. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 17:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Looking at the region both on Google Earth and OpenStreetMap,there doesn't seem to be a pocket of disputed territory on the western side of the Danube located just south of Batina, where "pocket 1" is labeled in the Wikipedia map, while there is another pocket on the western side, right across Apatin, which is not shown in the Wikipedia map. 181.23.134.39 ( talk) 20:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)