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The article states that the 2014 referendum was "illegal", however the cited source states that this was illegal under the Ukrainian Constitution. The article needs to state this to maintain a neutral point of view WP:NPOV. 182.239.148.72 ( talk) 08:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Russia recognized the territorial integrity of Ukraine through the Budapest Memorandum, therefore the referendum and subsequent annexation of Crimea was illegal. Mawer10 ( talk) 03:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Comment: I suggest that all editors refrain from using the term "illegal", unless they understand well its meaning. The only universally binding laws in the area of international public law are Security Council resolutions (with the caveat that they are binding only on the UN Member States). Besides, it's sometimes accepted that the UN Charter is legally binding on UN members. However, violation of a provision of some international agreement is not in itself "an illegal act": just as states have a power to enter commitments at any time, similarly they have a power to remove themselves from these commitments at any time. The only "law" that makes countries to adhere to commitments is... custom, codified in the form of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (esp. the accepted principle Pacta sunt servanda). Nothing "legal" or "illegal" about it. — kashmīrī TALK 19:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Please stop using bold lettering - we are not "deaf" and therefore there is no need to WP:SHOUT. No forum happening here - other editors refuse to discuss the issue which I raised but instead dismissed it. The matter of WP:UNCIVIL is enough; the matter of the improper use of "illegal" in this topic is not enough, and has yet to be addressed. 182.239.148.72 ( talk) 03:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC) |
I have tried to clean up the paragraphs regarding power generation to improve readability and clarity. I am not, though, familiar with the content, and may have inadvertently distorted the intended meaning. Could somebody familiar with the topic please check those paragraphs? "Pij" ( talk) 04:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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I want to undo the following edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Crimea&diff=next&oldid=1144913770 Lettres ( talk) 16:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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17:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)I suggest the location be changed from "Ukraine" to "Ukraine (de jure) Russia (de facto)" Sng Pal ( talk) 10:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
The first sentence describes Crimea as "in Eastern Europe". The rationale given on this talk page is that Russia also claims it, so it's disputed territory.
Why then are the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia articles not labelled the same way? The editors who argue this should go to these articles and label them accordingly.
Otherwise, Crimea should be labelled "in Ukraine", just like the other four annexed regions. Karpouzi ( talk) 16:09, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
The lede currently has these sentences:
"The region has a population of 2.4 million, and has been under Russian occupation since 2014." (first paragraph) "In 2014, the peninsula was occupied by Russian forces and annexed by Russia, but most countries recognize Crimea as Ukrainian territory." (third paragraph)
These seem redundant and could possibly be combined. I was thinking of removing the second sentence entirely, and changing the first sentence to: "The region has a population of 2.4 million, and although most countries recognize Crimea as Ukrainian territory, the peninsula has been occupied by Russian forces and annexed by Russia since 2014". But then I was wondering what should be done with the other sentences in the third paragraph. What do you guys think? JasonMacker ( talk) 07:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Was the name Tavria/Tauria/Taurica re-introduced during Catherine’s Hellenization of place names in the late 18th century? Or was it already in use on the ground since classical antiquity (which seems unlikely to me)? This would be a clarifying addition to the “Name” section. — Michael Z. 15:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Germany briefly occupied Crimea from 1942 to 1944 or so.
172.98.147.246 ( talk) 20:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
This phrase linking to a war between Russian and Ottoman Empires in the 18th century can be misleading because the use of the word Turkey is misunderstood as the Republic of Turkey, which was officially founded in 1923. Although the war is known as the Russo-Turkish War, the country was rarely called Turkey by its citizens. Therefore, the phrase should be replaced with "Earlier war with the Ottoman Empire" in order to be more accurate and to avoid the quite likely confusion with the modern country of Turkey. 78.173.65.26 ( talk) 20:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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This is an edit for clarity and proper grammar. Edit the following sentence at the end of 2nd paragraph: (Current) "The USSR transferred the oblast to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1954."
(edited) "In 1954, the USSR transferred the oblast to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1654." Badattitudebob ( talk) 14:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
There's a small typo in the infobox: it says "Russian Federation" instead of "the Russian Federation". I can't edit it because I've never had a Wikipedia account and the article is extended-protected.
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167.102.108.73 ( talk) 17:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
We should probably list it as annexed instead of "occupied" as that would be more accurate to the description of Crimea. BarakHussan ( talk) 13:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
@ Alaexis, let's see what reliable academic sources say regarding Crimea protests.
For example, Ukraine's Unnamed War - Google Books says - Eyewitness accounts suggest that about half of them opposed the referendum, while the other half demanded it.14
Also, please fix the code [1], sources are broken. ManyAreasExpert ( talk) 22:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
A “National Will Rally against Fascism” took place on February 23, attracting an estimated 20,000 people, far exceeding expectations. Alaexis ¿question? 06:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Alaexis: What's the use of restoring a nonsensical sentence like "Protests culminated in Russian forces occupying strategic points in Crimea" ? Foreign troops occupying places is not normally called a "protest". What's the use of restoring a POV section together with the POV maintenance tag ? What's the use of searching for outdated secondary sources from far-away places ("The Straits Times") ? The section should be rewritten using academic sources, which I intend to do soon. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
we have several sources, some of which give more attention to the protests (Ukraine's Unnamed War
, Roots of Russia's War in Ukraine by Wood et al)
This article is about Crimea, not about the Russo-Ukrainian war in general, so when it started is irrelevant.
Ideally we should use sources about the topic of the article
If you are describing Russian, Ukrainian, and even Greek (my own) history, please respect our cultures and how our use of BC and AD (as opposed to your use of BCE and CE) is preferred to describe our people's historical timelines. However "progressive" you might be, your substitution is actually considered "elitist" and quite disrespectful. Your proposed CE timeline excludes the incorporation of Central and South American people, First Nations of North America, Aborigines of Australia, Asians, most Africans, and is actually a slight on these people. "Common Era" didn't happen, anyway, until late 1700s when every continent was finally discovered and every people around the world were brought into the mix, so your proposed idea of a CE starting time as the same time as the borth of Jesus Christ is really off because that would really make our present day not 2024 AD where a real "inclusive" start time, factoring the 1700s would make today the year 270 CE or something. 173.177.127.212 ( talk) 20:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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The article states that the 2014 referendum was "illegal", however the cited source states that this was illegal under the Ukrainian Constitution. The article needs to state this to maintain a neutral point of view WP:NPOV. 182.239.148.72 ( talk) 08:05, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Russia recognized the territorial integrity of Ukraine through the Budapest Memorandum, therefore the referendum and subsequent annexation of Crimea was illegal. Mawer10 ( talk) 03:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Comment: I suggest that all editors refrain from using the term "illegal", unless they understand well its meaning. The only universally binding laws in the area of international public law are Security Council resolutions (with the caveat that they are binding only on the UN Member States). Besides, it's sometimes accepted that the UN Charter is legally binding on UN members. However, violation of a provision of some international agreement is not in itself "an illegal act": just as states have a power to enter commitments at any time, similarly they have a power to remove themselves from these commitments at any time. The only "law" that makes countries to adhere to commitments is... custom, codified in the form of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (esp. the accepted principle Pacta sunt servanda). Nothing "legal" or "illegal" about it. — kashmīrī TALK 19:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Please stop using bold lettering - we are not "deaf" and therefore there is no need to WP:SHOUT. No forum happening here - other editors refuse to discuss the issue which I raised but instead dismissed it. The matter of WP:UNCIVIL is enough; the matter of the improper use of "illegal" in this topic is not enough, and has yet to be addressed. 182.239.148.72 ( talk) 03:02, 18 March 2023 (UTC) |
I have tried to clean up the paragraphs regarding power generation to improve readability and clarity. I am not, though, familiar with the content, and may have inadvertently distorted the intended meaning. Could somebody familiar with the topic please check those paragraphs? "Pij" ( talk) 04:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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I want to undo the following edit https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Crimea&diff=next&oldid=1144913770 Lettres ( talk) 16:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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template. Please feel free to make comments in the discussions on this topic above.
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17:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)I suggest the location be changed from "Ukraine" to "Ukraine (de jure) Russia (de facto)" Sng Pal ( talk) 10:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
The first sentence describes Crimea as "in Eastern Europe". The rationale given on this talk page is that Russia also claims it, so it's disputed territory.
Why then are the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia articles not labelled the same way? The editors who argue this should go to these articles and label them accordingly.
Otherwise, Crimea should be labelled "in Ukraine", just like the other four annexed regions. Karpouzi ( talk) 16:09, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
The lede currently has these sentences:
"The region has a population of 2.4 million, and has been under Russian occupation since 2014." (first paragraph) "In 2014, the peninsula was occupied by Russian forces and annexed by Russia, but most countries recognize Crimea as Ukrainian territory." (third paragraph)
These seem redundant and could possibly be combined. I was thinking of removing the second sentence entirely, and changing the first sentence to: "The region has a population of 2.4 million, and although most countries recognize Crimea as Ukrainian territory, the peninsula has been occupied by Russian forces and annexed by Russia since 2014". But then I was wondering what should be done with the other sentences in the third paragraph. What do you guys think? JasonMacker ( talk) 07:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Was the name Tavria/Tauria/Taurica re-introduced during Catherine’s Hellenization of place names in the late 18th century? Or was it already in use on the ground since classical antiquity (which seems unlikely to me)? This would be a clarifying addition to the “Name” section. — Michael Z. 15:17, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Germany briefly occupied Crimea from 1942 to 1944 or so.
172.98.147.246 ( talk) 20:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
This phrase linking to a war between Russian and Ottoman Empires in the 18th century can be misleading because the use of the word Turkey is misunderstood as the Republic of Turkey, which was officially founded in 1923. Although the war is known as the Russo-Turkish War, the country was rarely called Turkey by its citizens. Therefore, the phrase should be replaced with "Earlier war with the Ottoman Empire" in order to be more accurate and to avoid the quite likely confusion with the modern country of Turkey. 78.173.65.26 ( talk) 20:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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This is an edit for clarity and proper grammar. Edit the following sentence at the end of 2nd paragraph: (Current) "The USSR transferred the oblast to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1954."
(edited) "In 1954, the USSR transferred the oblast to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic on the 300th anniversary of the Pereyaslav Treaty in 1654." Badattitudebob ( talk) 14:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
There's a small typo in the infobox: it says "Russian Federation" instead of "the Russian Federation". I can't edit it because I've never had a Wikipedia account and the article is extended-protected.
Edit: didn't know edit requests were a thing!
167.102.108.73 ( talk) 17:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
We should probably list it as annexed instead of "occupied" as that would be more accurate to the description of Crimea. BarakHussan ( talk) 13:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
@ Alaexis, let's see what reliable academic sources say regarding Crimea protests.
For example, Ukraine's Unnamed War - Google Books says - Eyewitness accounts suggest that about half of them opposed the referendum, while the other half demanded it.14
Also, please fix the code [1], sources are broken. ManyAreasExpert ( talk) 22:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
A “National Will Rally against Fascism” took place on February 23, attracting an estimated 20,000 people, far exceeding expectations. Alaexis ¿question? 06:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Alaexis: What's the use of restoring a nonsensical sentence like "Protests culminated in Russian forces occupying strategic points in Crimea" ? Foreign troops occupying places is not normally called a "protest". What's the use of restoring a POV section together with the POV maintenance tag ? What's the use of searching for outdated secondary sources from far-away places ("The Straits Times") ? The section should be rewritten using academic sources, which I intend to do soon. Rsk6400 ( talk) 13:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
we have several sources, some of which give more attention to the protests (Ukraine's Unnamed War
, Roots of Russia's War in Ukraine by Wood et al)
This article is about Crimea, not about the Russo-Ukrainian war in general, so when it started is irrelevant.
Ideally we should use sources about the topic of the article
If you are describing Russian, Ukrainian, and even Greek (my own) history, please respect our cultures and how our use of BC and AD (as opposed to your use of BCE and CE) is preferred to describe our people's historical timelines. However "progressive" you might be, your substitution is actually considered "elitist" and quite disrespectful. Your proposed CE timeline excludes the incorporation of Central and South American people, First Nations of North America, Aborigines of Australia, Asians, most Africans, and is actually a slight on these people. "Common Era" didn't happen, anyway, until late 1700s when every continent was finally discovered and every people around the world were brought into the mix, so your proposed idea of a CE starting time as the same time as the borth of Jesus Christ is really off because that would really make our present day not 2024 AD where a real "inclusive" start time, factoring the 1700s would make today the year 270 CE or something. 173.177.127.212 ( talk) 20:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)